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La Salida

– Discussion in progress.

Filed by WMrapids on 20:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC).

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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• La Salida (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• WMrapids (talk · contribs)
• NoonIcarus (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

Multiple academic, media and NGO sources say that the goal of the La Salida campaign was to remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro from office. The other user has prevented this information from being present in the article for over a month. In an attempt to avoid edit warring, more sources were provided over the period of time, though those sources were continuously dismissed by the said user.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:La_Salida#The_goal_was_to_remove_Maduro

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Having additional users help decide on whether inclusion of the goal to remove President Nicolás Maduro is appropriate or not.

Summary of dispute by NoonIcarus

This request was previously filed on 2 December and virtually nothing as changed, so I'll copy the statement that I provided then:

The article's dispute boils down to the wording in the lead about the movement's goal. The original wording was a quote translated from the Spanish version: "whose objective was to 'find a peaceful, democratic and constitutional solution to the government of Nicolás Maduro'". WMrapids preferred version is "in an effort to remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro from office" or variations thereof.
Proposals have included "in an effort to end to the Bolivarian Revolution prevalent since 1998", "in an effort to seek [Venezuelan president Nicolás] Maduro's resignation", or simply avoiding stating the goal altogether. The proposals have not been satisfactory to WMrapids for the moment.

--NoonIcarus (talk) 09:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

La Salida discussion

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First statement by moderator (La Salida)

I am ready to moderate this dispute. Please read DRN Rule A. It appears that the issue is about the wording of the party's goal. The policy that is critical is verifiability. The best wording is probably the wording that is the best translation of the party's own statement in Spanish of its goal. Will each editor state what they think that the English article should say, and any alternatives that they think are acceptable? Will each editor please also explain why think that their version is preferred, and what is wrong with any other versions? Do not engage in back-and-forth discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

First statements by editors (La Salida)

The best wording of La Salida's goals should include what third party, reliable sources detail, which is that the campaign was to remove Maduro from office. Those leading La Patilla also stated that Maduro's removal was their goal. Whether various methods were used to achieve this goal is not related to the main objective of the campaign.--WMrapids (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Second statement by moderator (La Salida)

Since the issue appears to be verifiability of the statement of purpose, please provide the exact wording that you want to use to state what the goal of the party was, and please provide a footnote to a statement in Spanish.

Are there any other content issues? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Second statements by editors (La Salida)

In the introduction of La Salida, the first sentence in the introduction should read "La Salida (lit. 'The Exit') was a Venezuelan opposition political campaign launched on 23 January 2014 that was based on civil disobedience in an effort remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro." No sources say anything about the objective being to end the Bolivarian Revolution (which is included in the current edit) but many do say that the goal was to remove President Maduro (some sources can be seen in this edit).

One main La Salida leader, María Corina Machado, explains "La Salida" in this video from 23 January 2014:

• "A popular rebellion occurred in Venezuela on 23 January where citizens in the street decided to take that generation's destiny into their hands. Today, the spirit of 23 January is alive in us and just as that generation of 23 January 1958 did its task, us Venezuelans of our generation will do and are doing ours. ... in these hours we call on all Venezuelans to assume this historical responsibility of conquering democracy and freedom and that is why we do it by calling the people of Venezuela to the meeting space in that we are one in the streets of the country. ... In these hours, we call on citizens from all sectors of society ... to achieve that route and that exit has to be assumed by the people of Venezuela"
• The video's description from Machado says the speech was to call "on Venezuelans to debate in the streets what 'the exit' of the regime should be like, always taking into account constitutional mandates and democratic principles."

Another main La Salida leader, Leopoldo López, made various statements about "La Salida" (The Exit):

• "we're on the right side of history. We're on the right side of justice. We're on the right side of truth. ... Our cause must be la salida (the exit) of this government (from power)"
• "Maduro, your dictatorship is the most repressive in our history, but you will not be able to maintain power by repressing everyone, all the time. Today I confirm: THE STREET IS THE EXIT. Let's continue organizing it and massing it" ("Maduro, tu dictadura es la más represiva de nuestra historia, pero no podrás mantener el poder reprimiendo a todo el mundo, todo el tiempo. Hoy les ratifico: LA CALLE ES LA SALIDA. Sigamos organizándola y masificándola.")
• During the same 23 January 2014 event as Machado, López said: "Venezuela needs a change. We have to move towards a change in the system, not just a change in government, a change in model. Today on 23 January, every 23 January we celebrate something that today we want to retrace. The essence of the rebellion of the people."

While we can see that the opposition leaders themselves promoted La Salida as a way to remove Maduro's government, we should take the words of reliable secondary sources before we should accept the political statements of opposition leaders.--WMrapids (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Third statement by moderator (La Salida)

Only one editor has been taking part in this discussion, so I may have to close this thread. However, I will first asl User:WMrapids to Be Specific at DRN.

Please provide the exact wording that you want to use to state what the goal of the party was, and please provide a footnote to a statement in Spanish. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:01, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I believe I did provide the exact wording above by saying In the introduction of La Salida, the first sentence in the introduction should read "La Salida (lit. 'The Exit') was a Venezuelan opposition political campaign launched on 23 January 2014 that was based on civil disobedience in an effort remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro." Also, there were statements provided above that were translated from Spanish, but I'm not sure how you would want the format of the footnote. This is my first time using DRN, so apologies for any informalities. I'm trying my best to participate in calm editing and avoid edit warring by using this noticeboard, so I appreciate your moderation. WMrapids (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Third statements by editors (La Salida)

Kind regards. To respond to all the questions: sources that include the original phrasing ("find a peaceful, democratic and constitutional solution to the government of Nicolás Maduro") include:[1][2][3][4], as well as Javier Moro's book Nos Quieren Muertos (2023, ISBN 9788467069778). I should note that neutrality should also be considered: while all sources apparently agree on the substance, some of the references use loaded language such as "oust".

I'd be more than happy to agree on a solution that meets both verifiability and neutrality, as well as to know if WMrapids has a different proposal. I guess that the article can always go back to the original wording, which is the same one that is used in Spanish, but it preferrably should be one WMrapids agrees with too. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Fourth statement by moderator (La Salida)

Is the disagreement about the first sentence? Is there any other disagreement?

It appears that one editor wants the first sentence to say:

La Salida (lit. 'The Exit') was a Venezuelan opposition political campaign launched on 23 January 2014 that was based on civil disobedience in an effort remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro.

It appears that the other editor wants the first sentence to include the phrase:

find a peaceful, democratic and constitutional solution to the government of Nicolás Maduro

Are those correct statements of what the editors want? Will each editor please state why they do not want to accept the other editor's proposal? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Fourth statements by editors (La Salida)

The sentence saying "find a peaceful, democratic and constitutional solution to the government of Nicolás Maduro" is weasely and is political speak. In fact, the initial edit upon creation of the article included this direct quote unattributed, which was inappropriate.

The wording "La Salida (lit. 'The Exit') was a Venezuelan opposition political campaign launched on 23 January 2014 that was based on civil disobedience in an effort remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro" is much more succinct and supported by a multitude of reliable, third party sources. No matter any source's bias or wording, they agree on the La Salida's objective to remove Maduro. Also, saying that the campaign wanted to remove Maduro is neutral; no one is saying that the removal would be unconstitutional or through malice.--WMrapids (talk) 04:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: @Robert McClenon: Indeed, the disagreement is over the first sentence. As far as I know, there aren't any other disagreements (besides the current excessive inline tag in the lead).

A more accurate description of the dispute might be that WMrapids wants to include "remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro", while I don't. I don't oppose other alternative phrasings.

The main reason that I have argued is that this not conveys the description accurately. La Salida was supposed to be a peaceful campaign (at least in theory), while "remove" can reflect violent means. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Fifth statement by moderator (La Salida)

One editor disagrees with the language to "remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro" because that could mean by non-violent means or violent means. Could the verb be qualified, as in "remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro non-violently" or something similar?

Is the earlier wording of whose objective was to 'find a peaceful, democratic and constitutional solution to the government of Nicolás Maduro a good translation of the Spanish original? Why shouldn't a translation of the Spanish be used?

The critical policy is verifiability. Is there a reason why we shouldn't simply translate the Spanish? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Fifth statements by editors (La Salida)

As previously stated, the wording "find a peaceful, democratic and constitutional solution to the government of Nicolás Maduro" is a direct quote from the opposition, which is both weasely and political speak. The use of adverbs to describe the situation is best to avoid per MOS:EDITORIAL, so any suggestions of "constitutionally remove", "peacefully remove" or similar suggestions are inappropriate. MOS:EDITORIAL also makes NoonIcarus' proposal inappropriate due to its use of multiple adjectives and descriptors.

If we are going to delve into the semantics of individual words, here are various definitions for "remove":

• Merriam-Webster: "to change the location, position, station, or residence of"
• Cambridge Dictionary "to take something or someone away from somewhere, or off something"
• Oxford English Dictionary: "take (something) away or off from the position occupied"

So, using the word "remove" would be an accurate and neutral way to say that La Salida attempted:

• Merriam-Webster: "to .. change the ... position" of Maduro
• Cambridge Dictionary: "to take [Maduro] ... away from" office
• Oxford English Dictionary: "to take [Maduro] away ... from the position occupied"

I still support the inclusion of "in an effort to remove Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro from office" since the definition meanings listed above do not include anything that is overtly POV.--WMrapids (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Richard Kemp

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Tomatoesarefruit on 16:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC).

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Richard Kemp (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Tomatoesarefruit (talk · contribs) Kathleen's bike (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I and several other users have tried to add content to the page concerning the subject's significant role within a UK charity related to the Israel Defence Forces. This content was clearly sourced (it has more recently been cited in BBC news) and the facts are not disputed. One particular editor keeps removing these references stating that they are related to Arab Israeli conflict, and the page has now been placed under extended protection. I believe that the proposed content is both important public information highly relevant to the subject's profile in an encyclopedia (not trivial additional detail) and that the 'arab-israeli conflict' restriction is being interpreted far too broadly in this instance. I tried making edits to reduce any direct reference to current conflict and focus solely on the subject's role in the charity, but the editor deleted all of these. S/he did not explain why the edits were unacceptable other than that they - in his/her view - relate to the arab israeli conflict and therefore I am not allowed to make such edits. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Kemp#IDF We have discussed the issue on the Talk page but, as explained above, I did not feel that Kathleensbike was willing to work productively to find a solution. S/he did not answer any of my questions about what the specific problem was, despite my proposed amendments. How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Please can an independent arbitrator make a decision about whether the proposed edits fall within the restricted contentious area of 'arab israeli conflict'. If they do, can you suggest a way to ensure the article includes significant information without violating any policies? Summary of dispute by kathleensbike Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. There is no dispute. Tomatoesarefruit cannot make edits relating to the Israel-Arab conflict, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4, specifically Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4#ARBPIA General Sanctions which even prevents them from starting this discussion, to the best of my knowledge. Kathleen's bike (talk) 17:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC) This is precisely my point - I do not agree that the proposed edits fall within the parameter of [Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4#ARBPIA General Sanctions|Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4#ARBPIA General Sanctions] and you will not explain why you think that they do. To summarise again, the edits state that the subject (richard kemp) is the director and trustee of the charity UKAWIS (which is a charity working on welfare of IDF troops). I do not see how this can be considered an edit which relates to the conflict itself. If I am wrong about this that's fine but I have read all the links you sent and so far I have not been able to see anything that would encompass the proposed edits. Secondly, if there is no dispute over the facts then instead of deleting them purely on the principle that I am not a sufficiently experienced editor, couldn't you add the edits yourself? It seems more constructive. Note that Kemp himself has himself tweeted articles from the BBC which refer to the facts I have proposed to include - https://x.com/COLRICHARDKEMP/status/1740436880242643061?s=20. I don't think repeatedly shutting down the conversation about the content is helpful. Tomatoesarefruit (talk) 17:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC) Richard Kemp discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Napoleon (2023 film)

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by IAmNMFlores on 21:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC).

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Napoleon (2023 film) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved IAmNMFlores (talk · contribs) PepGuardi (talk · contribs) Dispute overview On the article's head, I (IAmNMFlores) claim that Apple Original Films/Apple TV+ should be labeled as a distributor next to Columbia Pictures/Sony Pictures Releasing as it is in the infobox (and cited sources in the Release section), but the other user (PepGuardi) claims Apple is not a theatrical distributor and the sources do not prove that it distributed theatrically. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? Talk:Napoleon (2023 film)#Distributors How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Explaining the validity of our evidence. Summary of dispute by PepGuardi Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Napoleon (2023 film) discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Shambuka

– New discussion.

Filed by Redtigerxyz on 09:19, 7 January 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Shambuka (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Redtigerxyz (talk · contribs)
• Aman.kumar.goel (talk · contribs) (currently "blocked indefinitely because its owner is suspected of abusively using multiple accounts.")
• Georgethedragonslayer (talk · contribs)
• Carleas (talk · contribs)
• Phule lulu (talk · contribs)
• Wareon (talk · contribs)
• Jasksingh (talk · contribs)
• ArvindPalaskar (talk · contribs)
• TrulyShruti (talk · contribs)
• Ratnahastin (talk · contribs)
• HollerithPunchCard (talk · contribs)
• CapnJackSp (talk · contribs)
• Pincrete (talk · contribs)
• Dympies (talk · contribs)
• Chilicave (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

The issue about the lead sentence of Shambuka. The lead sentence has unstable and been in dispute since at least 4 years, leading to edit-warring. Current lead sentence:

Shambuka (Sanskrit: शम्बूक, IAST: śambūka) is an interpolated character, which is not found in the original Valmiki Ramayana but in the later addition called "Uttara Kanda".

The comment by Carleas (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC) in Talk:Shambuka#Scholarly_take_on_"interpolation" gives the history. The topic is discussed several times. A RFC failed to have a consensus. Quoting the remarks of User:Vanderwaalforces in the closing Rfc:

In my assessment, there is no clear consensus' for either option 1 [current version] or option 2 [(Shambuka... is a shudra ascetic ... )]. The users who support option 1 are more vocal and assertive, but they do not provide convincing evidence or arguments for why Shambuka should be defined as an interpolation in the first sentence. The users who support option 2 are more reasonable and respectful, but they do not address the controversy or the criticism of the character and the story. The users who support neither option or have other comments raise valid points and concerns, but they do not propose a specific alternative wording for the lead sentence. However, I have a suggestion, to rewrite the lead sentence in a way that encapsulates the multifaceted nature of the sources and perspectives on Shambuka, without taking a definitive position or giving undue weight to any particular view. For example, something like: "Shambuka ... is a character who appears in the Uttara Kanda, the last book of the Hindu epic Ramayana...

The "non-binding" suggestion of the Rfc was implemented and then reverted; to option 1, which is disputed - also has led to edit-warring. The DRN is opened after next course of action was discussed with User:Vanderwaalforces.

My take:

• the current lead sentence violates WP:NPOV. We need to follow MOS:FIRST, tell what is found, rather than where it is not found
• Review of scholarly literature does not define Shambuka as "interpolated character". See RFC for references.

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:Shambuka#Mentioning_later_interpolation_as_an_opinion_rather_than_fact, Talk:Shambuka#Lead_changes, Talk:Shambuka#Interpolation, Talk:Shambuka#RfC

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Bring third-party opinion to arrive at amicable lead sentence that respects WP:NPOV, WP:V

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• RfC just got closed and you want DRN now. This filing is itself full of mudslinging and a clear-cut attempt to disparage your opponents.[5] I am not interested in participating in this spurious bad faith filing. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 09:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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I was briefly involved in these discussions. Like many others, I am not an expert nor knowledgeable in this interesting subject. That said, from the perspective of a reader unacquainted with this topic, the suggestion in the RFC closing:

'"to rewrite the lead sentence in a way that encapsulates the multifaceted nature of the sources and perspectives on Shambuka, without taking a definitive position or giving undue weight to any particular view. For example, something like: "Shambuka ... is a character who appears in the Uttara Kanda, the last book of the Hindu epic Ramayana..." makes sense.

In my view, it is more informative, accessible, and objective, to open with a description of who this person is and where he was described, before introducing the controversies, such as whether he is fictional, and the authenticity and credibility of the works introducing him.

Starting the article with niche words like "interpolated character", "not found in the original Valmiki Ramayana but in the later addition called "Uttara Kanda", assumes a degree of prior knowledge of the interpolation dispute, and the relevant literary works, that is not necessarily informative or helpful to readers unfamiliar with this subject.

Beginning an introduction of the subject with an introduction of its controversy also undermines the appearance of neutrality.

If I am missing anything or erred in any way, please let me know. HollerithPunchCard (talk) 14:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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I am solely an RfC responder, with no specialised 'local' knowledge. On stylistic grounds, at the RfC, I endorsed the argument that the article should open with saying who this character was and in which texts they appeared rather than saying what they weren't (which is what 'interpolated' seeks to imply to my mind). The word is also PoV-ishly redundant if we record which versions the character appears in and doesn't appear in (as we do, though not very clearly or efficiently at present). To a general English-speaking readership, such as WP's, this logic would certainly be most hekpful and should apply unless there was near-universal agreement among sources that the character was 'interpolated'. I was not persuaded by any sources presented at the RfC that this threshold was met. I am not able to contribute much to this discussion, as my knowledge is limited to the evidence presented at the RfC.Pincrete (talk) 13:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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Shambuka discussion

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