Talk:Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting

Requested move 27 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 19:14, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting → Oak Creek gurdwara shooting – The current title is too vague and implies the shooting took place in a Sikh temple located somewhere in Wisconsin. "Oak Creek" is more specific, plus it aligns with other articles about mass shootings at places of worship, e.g. Charleston church shooting, Christchurch mosque shootings, Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, etc. As for gurdwara, it's the official term used for Sikh temples, for those of you who don't know. Love of Corey (talk) 20:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:16, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose: I'm not a great fan of this proposed change. Unfortunately gurdwara is not a common English word, so it would be better to have something like "Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting".--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• SUpport per nom and consice—blindlynx (talk) 14:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME as the headlines in the article's references show a clear preference for "Wisconsin" (35 mentions) over "Oak Creek" (14 mentions) and "Sikh temple" (35 mentions) over "gurdwara" (3 mentions, all by The Times of India). The full phrase "Oak Creek gurdwara shooting" does not appear in any headlines, whereas "Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting" appears 2 times, "Sikh temple shooting" appears 14 times, and "Wisconsin temple shooting" appears 9 times. Rublov (talk) 01:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

The same thing with references applies to Sutherland Springs church shooting, yet here we are with that title. Love of Corey (talk) 06:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support, "Oak Creek" at minimum. Using Wisconsin is much too vague. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 13:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• Supportish - I agree with what everyone has said. However, I think the title should be changed. Oak Creek should be included. I would like gurudwara to be in it, but i think it might be stretching it for much of the anglophony. --awkwafaba (📥) 23:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, Google seems to show "Sikh temple" as much more common than "gurdwara" when searching this topic. 162 etc. (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

That does not appear to be the case [1]—blindlynx (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, "Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting" pulls 10x more hits than "Wisconsin Gurdwara shooting". Top 3 results in my case are the New York Times, NPR, and Toronto Star, whose headlines use "Wisconsin Sikh temple". 162 etc. (talk) 14:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

oh i see—blindlynx (talk) 15:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• Comment - Any update as to the status of this rename discussion? Love of Corey (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Make the prepator section an article

Make the prepator section an article, And give details too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BruhOfficial (talk • contribs) 17:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

The perpetrators of mass shootings generally don't need their own articles. The article would have to be significantly longer and more detailed to be worthwhile. Not much is known about Wade Page beyond the fact that he was something of a loner and had links to far right organizations.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

what day of the week?

what day of the week? 142.163.194.85 (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

August 5, 2012 was a Sunday, although per MOS:DATE the day is not usually given. Today marks the tenth anniversary of this shooting.[2]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

My plans for this page

For this page, I plan on adding more detail about the victims of this horrible event. I feel it is unjust for the shooter to be given a long description while detail on the victims is lacking. Along with this, I think this article could benefit from the history of violence on the Sikh community, specifically with the riots in Bellingham, Washington in 1907 and Live Oak, California in 1908. I think talking about how this unrecognized/denied a history of anti-Sikh violence perpetuates hate and allows events like this to re-occur. For information regarding this history I will be using an article by Bhogel and Parkville in the EBSCOhost database. In addition, although the article mentions some reactions after this event, I plan on adding more on the reactions and recovery in the Sikh Community through an article written by Alejandra Molina on the Washington Post. I believe this is a credible article because it utilizes families of the victims assuring these reactions are genuine and true. I will also be using the Academia database for information.

If anybody has any ideas or edits for my changes I would love to know. Please let me know on this talk page or mine~~~~coop444 Coop444 (talk) 18:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Some of this would lead to WP:TOPIC problems. The article is about the Wisconsin incident, not the history of anti-Sikh violence in general. The Bellingham riots has its own article. Likewise, long lists of reactions, condolences etc can also lead to WP:TOPIC problems.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Asian Religions in America

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Recent edits to the lede

My edits adding that a police officer was wounded by the gunman were removed from the lede as "not needed". The lede has long included a minor detail that the gunman committed suicide after being shot in the hip by police. Instead of reverting, I removed this for the reason that follows:

Gunfire was exchanged and police were shot at, and they shot back wounding the gunman. Why would we include half of the details of what happened without explaining why police were shooting in the first place? Especially when so much controversy surrounds police shootings (though usually not in these mass shooter events, any police shooting needs a justification). The most concise way to include all necessary details would be to include that he shot at police officer, and gunfire was being exchanged when police shot back.

Why is it so important to delete that a police officer was wounded? I'm not going to revert again, I'm just wondering. Ben Azura (talk) 00:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

The lead section is a summary, and the police response is dealt with in more detail in the Shooting and police response section.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)