Talk:New Jersey

The climate section is wrong

I have lived in New Jersey my whole life the climate part is simply wrong. New jersey is not subtropical for god's sake it snows here sometimes. I am just saying New Jersey at least the northern half including the eastern part is not subtropical. Tldr new Jersey at least the northern half is not subtropical. 2715o7 (talk) 12:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Climate section discussion

Following two reversions here and here, the User:Xanzzibar posted the following discussion on my talk page:

Re: NJ climate

Could you perhaps better explain what you think the original research is? The map is at the source and shows the southern borders of NJ as Cfa, even if you can't make it out for whatever reason; I was just pointing you to the same exact map at a local source so you could better verify it. Alternatively, you can download it from the links in the source, which may alleviate whatever issue keeps you from zooming in enough: https://www.gloh2o.org/koppen/ or https://figshare.com/articles/dataset/Present_and_future_K_ppen-Geiger_climate_classification_maps_at_1-km_resolution/6396959/2. --Xanzzibar (talk) 03:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for asking @Xanzzibar:. There are two maps in the document. I've taken the liberty to screenshot the relevant portions below:

• Part (a) shows the present-day map (1980–2016).
• panel (b) the future map (2071–2100)

Part (a) might cover just the southernmost portion of Cape May etc. but there are no borders and nothing in the document even mentions the state in writing. To deduce that that's what is in the eye of the beholder, aka WP:OR.

Assuming the 2071 in panel (b) is a typo and they meant to say 2017-2100, panel (a) is clearly marked as no later as 2017. That was six years ago. We can't say that is "present-day." That is not acceptable per WP:RELTIME. The only other map in the document appears to show Cfa as high a Cape Cod, Massachusetts and indubitably covers the entire state of New Jersey. Still no borders. Still no written mention of Cfa in New Jersey at all. Deducing it so is WP:OR.

If part (a) is the authoritative map, then it was no longer authoritative as of seven years ago. If panel (b) is to be considered reliable, then it covers the entire state of New Jersey and not just the southernmost portions. But, the only way to verify it is to eyeball it. That requires WP:ANALYSIS and WP:SYNTHESIS which is forbidden by WP:OR, so in my opinion a better source is needed.

Kire1975 (talk) 09:12, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

It's simple enough to tack an "As of 2016," preface onto the statement if you're concerned about relative time with the classification. I disagree that basic map-reading is OR (WP:MAPCITE), especially when it's so unambiguous (https://i.imgur.com/HCukACc.png), but I'm not really interested in debating it further. Do as you wish. --Xanzzibar (talk) 11:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Continuing here: The map is anything but ambiguous. For 2071 to follow after 2016, that typo alone should render the whole document unreliable. Because of this, any reasonable person could conclude that after 2017, the Cfa goes up to Massachusetts and covers the whole of the state of New Jersey (https://imgur.com/hrRwJ9m). With the respect, the choice to rely on the old map marked "as of 2016" when a new map that is more than likely from 2017 onward is available is WP:OR. Conclusion: A better source is needed. This is posted here with the intention of seeking consensus. Kire1975 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

From the literal first sentence of the abstract, "We present new global maps of the Köppen-Geiger climate classification at an unprecedented 1-km resolution for the present-day (1980–2016) and for projected future conditions (2071–2100) under climate change." You're calling an article in a respected journal that's been cited by nearly 3,000 other papers "unreliable" on extremely faulty bases. --Xanzzibar (talk) 20:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2023

In 2018, The top countries of origin for New Jersey’s immigrants were India (13 percent of immigrants), Dominican Republic (10 percent), Mexico (5 percent), Ecuador (4 percent), and the Philippines (4 percent). Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/immigrants_in_new_jersey.pdf 94.127.212.209 (talk) 07:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 Note: IP was blocked on 18 August 2023 for 3 months. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

•  Not done. Although the IP's edits all appear to be above board looking at their edit history, the use of an open proxy to edit is disallowed, and making edits on behalf of one's edit request would defeat the purpose of such a restriction. oknazevad (talk) 12:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2023

https://www.haddonfieldnj.org/information/about_our_town/hadrosaurus_foulkii_(_haddy_)_information/index.php#:~:text=a.,of%20Natural%20Sciences%20of%20Philadelphia.

One of the first intact dinosaurs in the whole world was found in Haddonfield Township New Jersey The name of the dinosaur is Hadrosaurs Foulkii. This event occurred in the southern part of New Jersey In Camden County of October 1858 It was unearthed by an individual named William Parker. The dinosaur is known to live in the period of between 70-100 million years ago. Sep166 (talk) 23:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

New Jersey Transit Self insured. By who?

NJ transit is self insured which means the state of New Jersey picks the tab up from tax payers when they have to pay for an accident. Who is New Jersey insured by. No1turtle (talk) 05:24, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

"Religion in New Jersey" is inconsistent

The section on "Religion in New Jersey seems internally inconsistent. The text states "By number of adherents, the largest religious traditions in New Jersey, according to the 2010 Association of Religion Data Archives, were the Roman Catholic Church with 3,235,290; Islam with 160,666; and the United Methodist Church with 138,052.[156]." However, the graphic to the right of this tells a different story, showing the largest groups as Catholic, Protestant, unaffiliated and Jewish, in descending order. There might be some way to reconcile these two orderings, by carefully changing the classifications (splitting Jews and Christians into multiple subcategories), but this is still not a good look. Per the graph, Muslims are 3% of the population; it would take an awful lot of subcategories of Protestant for each subcategory to be smaller than the Muslim population. At the least, the text seems somewhat misleading.

Spencer Klein, Berkeley 2601:644:600:65F0:AE:C0EA:918F:12B9 (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Jersey

New Jersey is a great place but you know ive never been there but its ok im sure its a great place 24.41.46.98 (talk) 14:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)