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==Neopagan connections== |
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Here’s an source [https://theconversation.com/from-nordic-symbols-to-sledgehammer-executions-inside-the-wagner-groups-neo-pagan-rituals-213127] suggesting deep connections between Wagner Group activities and [[Rodnovery]] beliefs and practices, a link which goes beyond merely the fact that members of Wagner (as with certain divisions in the regular Russian military) are disproportionately Rodnovers. |
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Apparently, the group’s trademark use of sledgehammers for torture and execution is a nod to the use of hammer symbols in various pagan myths (e.g., [[Mjolnir]]); Prigozhin himself reportedly acknowledged this connection while he was alive. Senior figures in the Russian Orthodox Church have denounced him and other Wagner leaders as pagans. Wagner also reportedly founded an ideological division in 2019 whose primary focus was promoting Rodnovery. The source I linked does take care to mention that there are plenty of Slavic neopagans, particularly outside of Russia, who oppose Wagner’s use of their faith’s symbolism. This article should certainly mention all of this; it’s not entirely accurate to describe Wagner as non-ideological. It’d be better to say that to the extent that Wagner Group had an ideology, it would have been Rodnover nationalism. [[Special:Contributions/2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:77FB|2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:77FB]] ([[User talk:2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:77FB|talk]]) 02:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:Wagner group itself is not pagan, they are orthodox Christian I believe you are thinking of [[Rusich Group]] which is pagan and has a Slavic pagan icon on their patch [[User:Napalm Guy|Napalm Guy]] ([[User talk:Napalm Guy|talk]]) 04:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== [minor] Sergei Shoigu image description change == |
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[minor] Sergei Shoigu image description change
I believe the image description of the image portraying Sergei Shoigu should use past tense, as it refers to the deceased Prigozhin. Emlythk (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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Please replace File:Wagner armed rebellion vehicle marking Z.png with File:Wagner armed rebellion vehicle marking Z.svg Rainbowlack (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: no reason given for the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Done. HappyWith (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
IDF?
Why is IDF listed as opponent? No source is given for this. Genabab (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Looks like that's related to (lower down in the info box) involvement in the 2023 Israel-Hamas War. The citation listed for that is Gordon, Michael R.; Salama, Vivian (2 November 2023). "Russia's Wagner Group Plans to Send Air Defenses to Hezbollah, U.S. Says". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2 November 2023 https://www.wsj.com/world/russias-wagner-group-may-provide-air-defense-weapon-to-hezbollah-u-s-intel-says-37dc8f45 TurnipWatch (talk) 21:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- "Plans to send" and "is sending" are two different things. Until they are actually confirmed to be sending we stick with WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. This was also discussed over at the 2023 Israel-Hamas War article and consensus was that until it is confirmed that Wagner are actually actively providing support to Hamas they are not to be included. EkoGraf (talk) 01:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Africa Corps
This article lists "Africa Corps" as an alias for Wagner.
When I looked at the source and a bunch of other ones, it seems that it's being used to replace Wagner, not to rename it.
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