Talk:60 Minutes

Hosts?

Should not Lesley Stahl and Lara Logan be designated hostesses, not hosts? The latter may be politically correct; but it's not grammatical English, conveys less information, and prima facie makes them seem male, which they're not — particularly relevant in the case of Lesley, since it forces the unfamiliar reader to go through the exercise of remembering which way the masculine and feminine versions of the name are spelled. Paul Magnussen (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Basic principles of markedness at work: unmarked lion can refer to a male or female, while lioness is marked to refer only to females.[1] Lesley and Lara are hosts (perfectly grammatical in every way; test with the mixed plural: John, Lesley and Lara are hosts, marked only for plural, no gender marked), and it could be specified that they're hostesses if there's reason to. Are Streep and Hanks actors? Sure. Is Streep an actor? Sure. Is Hanks an actress? No way. -- Host/hostess or actor/actress are rather straightforward cases, fairly banal (as long as one steers clear of feminist theory), but there's at least one common instance that's interesting: What's the general singular of cattle, as in "There was a ____ in the road this morning."? The answer most often depends on one's experience. Urbanites usually have no problem using cow in that context regardless of the gender of the animal in view. Cattle ranchers can use non-gendered calf with ease if the critter is young enough, but with age comes gender relevance: cow, bull, heifer, steer. There is no singular unmarked for gender. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 16:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Are all of the deceased hosts Christian? If not, might there be a secular symbol other than a cross for designating which are deceased? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.83.138.211 (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Looking for "List of 60 Minutes Episodes" is it just me or does this really not exist?

Am I missing something or does the List of 60 Minutes episodes really not exist?

If it's missing: is there a reason or just not yet undertaken?

If I just haven't found it. TIA and apologies for my oops. --CmdrDan (talk) 04:03, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

The basics of the episodes of the current Season 53 has been deleted because it didn't look as good as List of Game of Thrones episodes.--14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 00:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:60 Minutes/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Heartfox (talk · contribs) 06:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Quick failing—the lead is inadequate given the size and content of the article, there are multiple "citation needed" tags, numerous unreferenced sentences, paragraphs, and even a section. Obviously it doesn't need to be perfect but I would expect a larger and broader ratings and recognition section given it has aired for over fifty years. The organization of sections is kind of weird as well. Overall, there is a lot of work to do that wouldn't be possible in a week or so, and I'm not convinced the nominator is up to it given they have never edited the article. Heartfox (talk) 06:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

ꝋ?

The dead people have ꝋ, the theta nigrum ("black theta") next to their names. According to Wiktionary it stands for "obiit", died, which it seems odd for Greek theta to stand for a Latin term which doesn't have theta in it. And on the other hand according to its article it stands for Thanatos (Θάνατος) the god of death. But on the other other hand Unicode has it as "Latin Capital Letter O with Long Stroke Overlay" so it is part of the (Medieval) Latin character set, but they don't say what its' used for and it appears to not have an actual name. So who knows?

Whatever, but main point is, I've never seen this, and I've been around the track a few times. It always the dagger (†);

One reason you might might want to not use the dagger is that it displays as a cross in many character sets, including our default one I think, specifically a Christian-lookin g cross, so that'd be a possible reason to avoid it. Maybe that was the motive here, IDK. But:

1) It's not a cross. It's a dagger. It has a pointy end.

2) Even if it renders as a cross on your screen, it apparently is not "Christian cross" but rather "The point wouldn't fit with our font so this is the closest we can do".

3) And according to the article, it's never had anything to do with Christianity, historically. It's a symbol that's been used in many forms for many things since classical times, but AFAIK never specifically in any religious way. It evolved from other forms with nothing of religion involved.

3) Even if you take it as the Christian cross (which is certainly understandable, I get that), so? We generally follow most common usage. We're not anti-religion here so we don't want to go out of our way to replace any hint of religious symbols with obscure and confusing secular ones. That is POV.

Here's the relevant passage in Dagger (mark):

The dagger is also used to indicate death, extinction, or obsolescence. The asterisk and the dagger, when placed beside years, indicate year of birth and year of death respectively. This usage is particularly common in German. When placed immediately before or after a person's name, the dagger indicates that the person is deceased. In this usage, it is referred to as the "death dagger". In the Oxford English Dictionary, the dagger symbol indicates an obsolete word.

That passage has nine different refs, I didn't read them, but I mean nine.

I was confused by the ꝋ when I came across it. I actually don't know what it meant. Left-handed? Worked for other networks? Died in harness? Who knows. Yeah I figured out it must mean dead after reading the career dates, but "hey the reader can figure it out with a little work" is not the gold standard here. There's no easy way to survey, but my guess based on my own experience is that more users are going to be OK with the dagger but confused by the death theta than vice versa.

We don't even need to indicate who is dead, why are we doing this? And we could just write "dead" which is only three more characters and quite clear, if we do want to. But if we do want to use a symbol (does look cool) let's have be the dagger and not the theta. Herostratus (talk) 04:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Herostratus: I introduced the theta nigrum marker to this page in response to the comment from Old revision of Talk:60 Minutes . Upon further reflection upon your observations, I agree these markers cause unnecessary confusion. We should remove them from the article. DutchTreat (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, very well then. Herostratus (talk) 21:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)