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I have a small question. If Afonso is the Prince of Beira, how can he be and Infante? If he is a prince he is not an infante, right? Isn't the tite infante inadequate for the eldest son of the monarch (in this case, pretender)? If you see Felipe, Prince of Asturias his article starts with Don Felipe, Prince of Asturias, while his sister's article starts with The Infanta Elena, Duchess of Lugo. Joao pais 05:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The current Prince of Portugal is D. Duarte Pio. If he become king then Afonso will be Prince and not Infante.Câmara 12:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duarte Pio is Royal Prince, because he is the first in the line of succession.
Afonso is Infante and is Prince of Beira because he is the second in the line of succesion.

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The Portuguese monarchy was deposed in 1910, a fact I had to look up because this article describes Afonso as a "prince," and as "first in the line of succession to the Portuguese Crown." There is no longer any such monarchy, nor does such a line of succession exist. Does he himself use these titles? Are they recognized in any formal or ceremonial manner? I know that this issue isn't unique to this person; this is just the Wikipedia article I was reading when I thought about it. I think the article should address the actual circumstances of his upbringing--like did his parents have careers outside of being deposed monarchs? Does he fulfil any duties as "prince"? I can try to look into it, but is there any objection to decreasing the article's deference to his supposed titles? --DavidK93 (talk) 01:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Afonso, Prince of Beira → Afonso de Bragança – Portuguese monarchy no longer exists (and hasnt for over 100 years) as User:DavidK93 notes above and Wikipedia should not act as if it does. As per WP:NCROY defunct titles should not be used. D1551D3N7 (talk) 16:16, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - WP:NCROY does not say that defunct titles should not be used, but that they should only be used when they are in common usage (eg. Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, not Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia). I don't know what the English WP:COMMONNAME is here, but it looks like most cited sources use the proposed name. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Against - common usage includes his title. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the sources for the article don't use his title

Afonso

https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/nacional/detalhe/como-eles-cresceram-filhos-de-d-duarte-arrasam-no-baile-de-dubutantes-em-paris

Afonso de Bragança

https://caras.pt/realeza/2010-04-02-afonso-de-braganca-celebra-aniversario-e-apadrinha-prova-equestre-na-comporta/

https://ointerior.pt/regiao/afonso-de-braganca-em-acao-de-reflorestacao-na-cova-da-beira/

https://caras.sapo.pt/realeza/portugal/2014-09-11-Afonso-filho-dos-duques-de-Braganca-investido-liurai-numa-visita-a-Timor

Afonso de Santa Maria Herédia de Bragança

https://www.vidas.pt/a-ferver/detalhe/afonso-de-braganca-consagrado-principe-herdeiro D1551D3N7 (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Per WP:COMMONNAME. As Wikipedia:Article titles says, Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. US Weekly calls him "Prince Afonso of Beira". It is the only one English news source that has ever mentioned the article subject and so it is the only one that matters. Also, any argument about monarchy is WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:OR and should be automatically discarded by the closer. --StellarHalo (talk) 10:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we really going to use a US Weekly article about "22 of the Hottest Male Royals and Princes Around the World" as justification for pretending that Portugal is a monarchy? You have to be joking. D1551D3N7 (talk) 15:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is pretending that Portugal is a monarchy. That has nothing to do with the common name of an individual, the title they choose to use or the way they are referred to by others. You say above: As per WP:NCROY defunct titles should not be used. I'm sure you have actually read it and you do know really that's not what it actually says. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to just lie about what I said and could not come up with an argument that is actually relevant, please do not reply. StellarHalo (talk) 18:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:Are we really going to use a US Weekly article about "22 of the Hottest Male Royals and Princes Around the World" as justification for pretending that Portugal is a monarchy? You have to be joking. [[User:D1551D3N7|D1551D3N7]] ([[User talk:D1551D3N7|talk]]) 15:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 *::Nobody is pretending that Portugal is a monarchy. That has nothing to do with the common name of an individual, the title they choose to use or the way they are referred to by others. You say above: {{tq|As per [[WP:NCROY]] defunct titles should not be used.}} I'm sure you have actually read it and you do know really that's not what it actually says. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 17:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
+*::If you are going to just lie about what I said and could not come up with an argument that is actually relevant, please do not reply. [[User:StellarHalo|StellarHalo]] ([[User talk:StellarHalo|talk]]) 18:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)