Talk:Liberal conservatism

I have some doubts that this is a common usage (although I believe that there have been political parties with both "liberal" and "conservative" in the name of a single party). Can you provide citations for the use/history of this terminology and in exactly what respects "liberal conservatives" are, respectively, liberal and conservative? -- Jmabel 16:41, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

To me, it seems that this article should be moved to New Right. Djadek 10:53, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I disagree. I believe the more popular term is Fiscal Conservative. I propose a move. 71.162.255.58 17:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Liberal-Conservatives usually espouse strongly free-market liberal economic policy, mixed conservative/liberal social policy & strongly nationalist foreign policy. I believe they usually also define themselves as anti-Socialist & anti-Communist : they form as the main opposition of Social-Democrats where/when they appear. --143.238.79.184 05:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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The phrase was used in the FTmagazine (April 30, 2005) so the page should stay. -- Joolz 20:35, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is a very loose usage of "liberal", which should be more carefully explained. The term is a hijacking of the word "liberal" for use to describe adherents of a free market. Most "liberals" are not gungho for the free market. Joolz, that a neologism has been used once or twice doesn't necessarily make it encyclopaedic. It doesn't mean either that the discussion here is accurate, which is more to the point. If another article describes the idea more closely, a redirect is a good idea. Grace Note 03:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I do not know what gungho means, but outside the USA most liberals clearly favour a more or less free market. WIkipeida is not an American encyclopedia but is a global encyclopedia. See for an extensive discussion on liberalism the main article liberalism. Electionworld 11:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Grace Note, "liberal conservative" has no currency in the U.S., but it is a meaningful term in (for example) central European politics. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:22, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

And in Australian poltics. Increasingly, in fact. I can think of no better an example of a liberal-conservative than John Howard.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:13, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I must express how deeply incorrect that analysis is, and how ironic it is; it is actually that definition of "liberal" that is the hijacking. In the U.S., "liberal" seems to have the connotation of meaning economically Socialist, which is very strange, when the free market is indeed, as others have stated here, very important in Liberalism. --Palpatine 06:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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Sounds kinda like libertarianism to me --gnomelock 06:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

A lot like, in terms of economics; liberal conservatives tend to be a bit more socially conservative than libertarians: for example, they don't typically believe in drug legalization, legal prostitution, etc. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:38, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

American Conservatism

"conservatism" in a america mostly means neoconservatism, whereas this article seems to be talking about paleoconservatism. this doesn't really work for american "conservatives" and republican party members to be called liberal. Bob A

Neoconservatism is hardly dominant even within the Republican Party. But I have a different disagreement: the article currently says "In the United States, this tradition refers mostly notably to the notion of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which would currently read as a form of anti-statist liberalism." In fact, in the United States, this term is almost completely unknown: while these politics may be common in Anglo-Saxon countries, the term is mostly continental European and Latin American. - Jmabel | Talk 04:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've used scare quotes for the American situation. Intangible 00:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

In America, when you say Liberal you usually mean the Democratic Party, and when you say Conservative you usually mean the Republican Party. The Person Who Is Strange 15:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The liberalism in "liberal conservatism"

Shouldn't this also mention support for liberal democracy? - Jmabel | Talk 23:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

This article is obviously a joke. If Ann Coulter gave birth to the illegitimate child of Ted Kennedy, perhaps the offspring might adopt a political philosophy of liberal conservatism, but I doubt it. danshawen | Talk 19:00, 18 December 2006 (UTL)

Believe it or not, the U.S. is not the only country in the world. And, believe it or not, in many countries, there is nothing at all contradictory about "liberal" and "conservative". I suggest that you might consider reading the articles liberalism and conservatism. - Jmabel | Talk 06:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Please give examples of these countries. The Person Who Is Strange 15:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Certainly Japan, for one. But I would say that "liberal conservative" would be pretty clear most places in Europe: free-market in terms of large enterprises, but possibly a bit less so at the level of small business; tending to favor the existing social hierarchy in broad terms, but not seeing it as the government's job to enforce it; favorable to a free press; in favor of public education (with a somewhat conservative agenda for what that education should be). Most European countries have parties like this, not too far from Christian Democrat but more secular and with a little less commitment to social spending. - Jmabel | Talk 06:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization

The article is inconsistent about "Liberal Conservatism" or "Liberal conservatism". Unless there is a distinction (I don't believe there is) we should stick to one or the other, and the title of the article should be consistent with the body of the article. - Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Came with the non-sensical criticism. Intangible 00:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Liberal conservative media

(Germany) Junge Freiheit Are there more examples, so we can add a section? 85.178.93.135 20:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Liberal conservatism vs. Neoconservatism

Before reading this article I was completely unfamiliar with the term "liberal conservatism" (as it sounds like an oxymoron in the US). The description makes it sound similar to neoconservatism. Has anything been written about the relationship between the two? How similar are they? I think if you could add something into the article comparing it with neoconservatism or whatever is most similar in the US, it would help American readers to understand what is meant by "liberal conservatism". Kaldari 06:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

There's not really much of a relationship. Neoconservatism is primarily a foreign-policy ideology, and liberal conservatism is primarily a domestic-policy ideology. Basically, liberal conservatism is economically liberal (in favor of market mechanisms, free trade, etc.) but socially at least moderately conservative (in favor of traditional values, society, and institutions). Neoconservatism is not defined by either of those two things, and indeed many neoconservatives are neither. --Delirium 04:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

editorializing moved from article Intangible 20:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

At the 2006 Conservative Party Conference in Bournemouth, England, party leader David Cameron emphasised his credentials as a Liberal Conservative and stated that he was "not a neo-conservative". Indeed the term "liberal conservatism" is likely to be used in contrast with social conservatism.

Confusing wording

Does anyone else find the phrasing of the article somewhat a bit complicated? I had to re-read a few bits just to get my head around what it was trying to communicate to me (I'm not politically naive, I personally got an election article to FA status). Timeshift 04:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon cultures

Saying that liberal conservatism mainly is found within Anglo-Saxon cultures sounds a lot like original research to me and, frankly, suggests more about with which countries the contributor may be familiar. I will remove it unless some hard evidence can be brought forward to support it. MartinTremblay 05:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)