Talk:CMLL World Micro-Estrellas Championship

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:CMLL World Micro-Estrellas Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ducktech89 (talk)· contribs) 16:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. This is my first time reviewing a GA nomination, so I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed.Ducktech89^(talk)

Immediate failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - no
• It contains copyright infringements - copyvio checking... unlikely, no significant copyvios found.
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - no tags of such nature, seems well sourced
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - appears stable

Lede

• prtraomoted - promoted is spelt wrong, please correct

• That was embarrasingly bad.

• The championship is exclusively competed for in the Micro-Estrellas, or Micros, division where all competitors are "little people". - is there any reason why little people needs to have commas? Is that a direct quote or how they are described by CMLL? it’s a very informal term also. change to midgets or prefix that the micros division in exclusive to midgets. also, if applicable, include a height/weight limit

• Replaced the eupemisim and I found a height definition so I added it.

• without revealing how the first champion would be determined. - irrelevant

• Delete

• As it is a professional wrestling championship, it is not won legitimately; it is instead won via a scripted ending to a match or awarded to a wrestler because of a storyline. - bit of a jumble, replace with something more succinct
• Chamuel is the current champion as well as the first overall champion. - replace with "current and inaugural"

• Fixed

Prose

• Midget wrestling - doesn't need to be capitalised as it is nor the first word of a sentence or a specific brand

• Replaced

• In the early days saw the popularity of wrestlers such as Gran Nikolai, Pequeno Goliath and Arturito (inspired by R2-D2), especially with the children. 1) "in the early days saw the popularity" is grammatically incorrect. 2) inspired by R2-D2 a trivial and unneeded tidbit. 3) especially with the children also trivial and adds nothing to overall article

• Changed

• Mexico's oldest wrestling promotion - irrelevant

• Deleted

• with all competitors being little people with dwarfism - once again, little people is an informal term. replace with midgets

• Updated

• The match even had a micro referee as would the Micro-Estrella matches going forward.[5] Prior to the match Gallito, Mije and Zacarias had worked as Mascotas for various CMLL wrestlers and got physically involved in matches, but hardly ever wrestled.[6] - irrelevant, just need a basic overview of what the division is and it’s abridged history. no need for all this.
  • It is part of the "abridged history" that prior to this the micros never actually wrestled in CMLL but still was part of their shows. Highlights the change in how the Micros are presented in CMLL. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• As with all professional wrestling championship, As it is a professional wrestling championship - what?

• Yeah copy & past error, fixed

• the CMLL World Micro-Estrellas Championship is not won not in actual competition, but by a scripted ending to a match determined by the bookers and match makers.[b] On occasion the promotion declares a championship vacant, which means there is no champion at that point in time. This can either be due to a storyline,[c] or real life issues such as a champion suffering an injury being unable to defend the championship,[d] or leaving the company.[e] The championship will be the first exclusively for little people in Mexico, while several have been promoted in the United States such as the NWA World Midget's Championship[f], and Mini-Estrella championships have been promoted in Mexico since 1992, but those are not exclusively for little people.[2] - it has already been explained that professional wrestling championships are contested in pre-determined matches and storylines, no need to explain again. also all this stuff about the title being the first midget championship in Mexico is irrelevant, as is the mention of the NWA midgets championship. cut all that fluff out.

• I disagree, being the first in Mexico is relevant since it is a Mexican company and all. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• Also yes the lead mentions it, but per WP:LEAD everything in the lead should also be in the article and in this case with sources and a little more detail than the lead allows. It is only mentioned once within the body of the article so it should not just be deleted. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:10, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Reigns

The first wrestler eliminated was Átomo, pinned by Zacarias. elimnations two through four were: Guapito (by El Gallito), Zacarias (by Microman) and El Gallito (by Chamuel). In the end Chamuel pinned long time rival Microman to win the match and the championship as well.[14][15][16] - cut out, don’t need the highlights of the match, just who won, where they won it and when they won it. also add a note of him being the inaugural champion

• Please see examples such as CMLL World Tag Team Championship#1998 where tournaments are covered in a little more detail. I can move the details to a "tournament" section but that level of detail is included in may GA or FL articles on wrestling championships. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• Moved some stuff around so the "reigns" section is not there, but there is details on the tournament.

Title history

Join reigns and title history sections together.

• Removed "reigns"

Footnotes

seperate notes and the books that are cited into separate sections. make the cited literature a "bibliography" or "further reading" section, it has no relation to the footnotes.

• Done.

Comments

If you would fancy returning the favour, I have an outstanding GA nomination that requireds reviewing at WP:GAN and Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Article alerts. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete that, however it's definitely not mandatory. Cheers Ducktech89^(talk), 4:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

• Ducktech89 thank you for your feedback, I will be addressing it over the next day or two. And I may have time to take a look at Jon Moxley, but i'll have to double check the edit history to make sure it's not an article I have made any significant edits to before I can even consider it. MPJ-DK (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• Side note, from what I have heard/read the word "Midget" is a pejorative term, so I have intentionally tried to not actually use that term. Some use the term "Little People" for that group, but to be factual I have simply described them as having dwarfism to keep it neutral in tone. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Ok thanks for letting me know. I just thought it would be appropriate to call them "midgets" because the style of wrestling in question is called "midget wrestling", but if its pejorative or otherwise offensive then that's ok, it can be excluded. "Little people" is also a bit of an offensive term I feel, so I appreciate you finding some middle ground. Ducktech89^(talk), 12:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

• Most of the major issues and grammatical errors have been addressed, the page is well sourced and relatively well written. Still some run-on sentences but nothing major that can't be fixed with some ce. Adheres to the same formula used for other championship pages. This is my first time doing a GA review, so I may have left some things out, but for now I'll give it a GA Pass. Ducktech89^(talk), 1:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC)