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Updated proposal with more ABS based terminology and regions
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Whatever consensus concludes regarding what regions stay on this map, the coding for the spaced out complete map is:
Whatever consensus concludes regarding what regions stay on this map, the coding for the spaced out complete map is:


{{Image label begin|width={{{width|350}}}|image=Sydney_Areas_Map.svg|float=}}}
{{Image label begin|width={{{width|350}}}|image=Sydney_Areas_Map.svg|float={{{float|right}}}}}
{{Image label small|x=0.78|y=0.66|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sydney central business district|<span style="background-color: white;">Sydney<br/>CBD</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.78|y=0.66|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sydney central business district|<span style="background-color: white;">Sydney<br/>CBD</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.89|y=0.67|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Eastern Suburbs (Sydney)|<span style="background-color: white; ">Eastern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.89|y=0.67|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Eastern Suburbs (Sydney)|<span style="background-color: white; ">Eastern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
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{{Image label small|x=0.79|y=0.73|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Southern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.79|y=0.73|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Southern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.63|y=0.79|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[St George, Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Southern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.63|y=0.79|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[St George, Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Southern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.57|y=0.89|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sutherland Shire|<span style="background-color: white;">Sutherland<br/>Shire</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.65|y=0.89|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sutherland Shire|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer <br/>South</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.69|y=0.63|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Inner West|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.69|y=0.63|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Inner West|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.61|y=0.71|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Canterbury (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.61|y=0.71|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Canterbury (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
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{{Image label small|x=0.37|y=0.74|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[South Western Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">South-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.37|y=0.74|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[South Western Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">South-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.47|y=0.51|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Parramatta|<span style="background-color: white;">North-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.47|y=0.51|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Parramatta|<span style="background-color: white;">North-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.51|y=0.43|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Hills District, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Hills<br/>District</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.50|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Penrith|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.50|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Penrith|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.02|y=0.49|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Blue Mountains (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Blue<br/>Mountains</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.02|y=0.49|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Blue Mountains (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Blue<br/>Mountains</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.92|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Macarthur, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.92|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Macarthur, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.40|y=0.97|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Holsworthy, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Holsworthy</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.40|y=0.97|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Holsworthy, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Holsworthy</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.42|y=0.40|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Hills District, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>North-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.30|y=0.39|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Blacktown City Council|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>North-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.24|y=0.25|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Hawkesbury|<span style="background-color: white;">Hawkesbury</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.24|y=0.25|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Hawkesbury|<span style="background-color: white;">Hawkesbury</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.65|y=0.55|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Northern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Northern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.65|y=0.55|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Northern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Northern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
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If we're going to choose to keep the map as compass regions as opposed to making it officially government sourced based off council LGAs or The Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions then I propose the map gets updated, organised, properly named and inclusive of compass regions that are currently missing. I've done a lot of research on Sydney's Regions and created new coding for the map which give each section of Sydney its own identity basing it primarily off existing Sydney regions and their compass direction/proximity from Sydney CBD as well as also basing it off existing Wikipedia Articles, council LGAs, The Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions, Cumberland County Cadastral Parishes, federal divisions and postcode sequences. With all these taken into account the new map is more inclusive, detailed, properly organised and informative. I've linked all the regions to their corresponding Wikipedia Articles and linked some regions to council LGA articles (both current & former ones) for the sake of describing certain regions that may not necessarily have a corresponding article with the same title. I've also included some peri-urban areas and towns that surround Greater Sydney which are located on the map but aren't listed nor acknowledged (probably because they're not part of Greater Sydney). I felt adding The Central Coast, The Blue Mountains and Holsworthy is still useful however and makes the map more inclusive even if these areas are not within Greater Sydney.
If we're going to choose to keep the map as compass regions as opposed to making it officially government sourced based off council LGAs or The Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions then I propose the map gets updated, organised, properly named and inclusive of compass regions that are currently missing. I've done a lot of research on Sydney's Regions and created new coding for the map which give each section of Sydney its own identity basing it primarily off existing Sydney regions and their compass direction/proximity from Sydney CBD as well as also basing it off existing Wikipedia Articles, council LGAs, The Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions, Cumberland County Cadastral Parishes, federal divisions and postcode sequences. With all these taken into account the new map is more inclusive, detailed, properly organised and informative. I've linked all the regions to their corresponding Wikipedia Articles and linked some regions to council LGA articles (both current & former ones) for the sake of describing certain regions that may not necessarily have a corresponding article with the same title. I've also included some peri-urban areas and towns that surround Greater Sydney which are located on the map but aren't listed nor acknowledged (probably because they're not part of Greater Sydney). I felt adding The Central Coast, The Blue Mountains and Holsworthy is still useful however and makes the map more inclusive even if these areas are not within Greater Sydney.


I have made a similar proposal regarding The 'Sydney image with region labels' Map on its talk page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Regions_of_Sydney
The coding is as follows:
The coding is as follows:


{{Image label begin|width={{{width|350}}}|image=Sydney_Areas_Map.svg|float=}}
{{Image label begin|width={{{width|350}}}|image=Sydney_Areas_Map.svg|float={{{float|right}}}}}
{{Image label small|x=0.78|y=0.66|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sydney central business district|<span style="background-color: white;">Sydney<br/>CBD</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.78|y=0.66|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sydney central business district|<span style="background-color: white;">Sydney<br/>CBD</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.89|y=0.67|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Eastern Suburbs (Sydney)|<span style="background-color: white; ">Eastern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.89|y=0.67|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Eastern Suburbs (Sydney)|<span style="background-color: white; ">Eastern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
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{{Image label small|x=0.79|y=0.73|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Southern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.79|y=0.73|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Southern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.63|y=0.79|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[St George, Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Southern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.63|y=0.79|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[St George, Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Southern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.57|y=0.89|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sutherland Shire|<span style="background-color: white;">Sutherland<br/>Shire</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.65|y=0.89|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Sutherland Shire|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer <br/>South</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.69|y=0.63|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Inner West|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.69|y=0.63|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Inner West|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.61|y=0.71|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Canterbury (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.61|y=0.71|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Canterbury (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Inner<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
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{{Image label small|x=0.37|y=0.74|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[South Western Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">South-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.37|y=0.74|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[South Western Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">South-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.47|y=0.51|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Parramatta|<span style="background-color: white;">North-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.47|y=0.51|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Parramatta|<span style="background-color: white;">North-Western<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.51|y=0.43|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Hills District, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Hills<br/>District</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.50|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Penrith|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.50|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Penrith|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.02|y=0.49|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Blue Mountains (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Blue<br/>Mountains</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.02|y=0.49|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Blue Mountains (New South Wales)|<span style="background-color: white;">Blue<br/>Mountains</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.92|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Macarthur, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.21|y=0.92|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Macarthur, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>South-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.40|y=0.97|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Holsworthy, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Holsworthy</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.40|y=0.97|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Holsworthy, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Holsworthy</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.42|y=0.40|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Hills District, New South Wales|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>North-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.30|y=0.39|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Blacktown City Council|<span style="background-color: white;">Outer<br/>North-West</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.24|y=0.25|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Hawkesbury|<span style="background-color: white;">Hawkesbury</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.24|y=0.25|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[City of Hawkesbury|<span style="background-color: white;">Hawkesbury</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.65|y=0.55|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Northern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Northern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
{{Image label small|x=0.65|y=0.55|scale={{{width|350}}}|text=[[Northern Sydney|<span style="background-color: white;">Northern<br/>Suburbs</span>]]}}
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This new map structure is based off of the following boundaries:
This new map structure is based off of the following boundaries:


===Central Sydney (Sydney CBD)===
===Central Sydney===
* Inner City
* Sydney City Centre
Suburbs: Sydney CBD, The Rocks, Dawes Point,
Area: Sydney CBD
Millers Point, Barangaroo, Haymarket
Postcode: 2000
Postcode: 2000
LGA: City of Sydney (North End)
LGA: City of Sydney (North End)
* Inner City-North
Suburbs: The Rocks, Millers Point, Dawes Point, Barangaroo
Postcode: 2000
LGA: City of Sydney (North End)
* Inner City-South
Suburbs: Haymarket
Postcode: 2000
LGA: City of Sydney (Centre)
* Inner City-West
* Inner City-West
Suburbs: Pyrmont, Ultimo, Chippendale, Darlington.
Suburbs: Pyrmont, Ultimo, Chippendale, Darlington.
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===Eastern Sydney===
===Eastern Sydney===
* Eastern Suburbs
* Eastern Suburbs (Woollahra-Waverley)
Suburb examples: Bondi, Paddington, Double Bay, Vaucluse
Suburb examples: Paddington, Bondi, Double Bay, Vaucluse
Postcodes: 2021 to 2030
Postcodes: 2021 to 2030
LGA: Waverley Council, Woollahra Municipal Council, The Centennial Parklands, City of Sydney (Far East Side)
LGA: Waverley Council, Woollahra Municipal Council, The Centennial Parklands, City of Sydney (Far East Side)
Western Boundary: Eastern Distributor, South Dowling Street, Boundary Street, Neild Avenue and Rushcutters Creek
Western Boundary: Eastern Distributor, South Dowling Street, Boundary Street, Neild Avenue and Rushcutters Creek
* South-Eastern Suburbs
* South-Eastern Suburbs (Randwick-Botany)
Suburb examples: Randwick, Coogee, Maroubra, Botany
Suburb examples: Coogee, Kingsford, Maroubra, Eastgardens
Postcodes: 2031 to 2036, 2052, 2018 and 2019
Postcodes: 2031 to 2036, 2052, 2018 and 2019
LGA: Randwick City Council, Bayside Council (East Side)
LGA: Randwick City Council, Bayside Council (East Side)
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Southern Boundary: Botany Bay.
Southern Boundary: Botany Bay.
* Southern Suburbs (St George)
* Southern Suburbs (St George)
Suburb examples: Rockdale, Hurstville, Peakhurst, Sans Souci
Suburb examples: Rockdale, Kogarah, Sans Souci, Hurstville
LGA: Georges River Council, Bayside Council (West Side)
LGA: Georges River Council, Bayside Council (West Side)
Northern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.
Northern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.
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Western Boundary: Salt Pan Creek.
Western Boundary: Salt Pan Creek.
Southern Boundary: Georges River.
Southern Boundary: Georges River.
* Sutherland Shire
* Outer South (Sutherland Shire)
Suburb examples: Sutherland, Miranda, Caringbah, Cronulla
Suburb examples: Menai, Miranda, Caringbah, Cronulla
LGA: Sutherland Shire Council
LGA: Sutherland Shire Council
Northern Boundary: Georges River and Botany Bay
Northern Boundary: Georges River and Botany Bay
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===Northern Sydney===
===Northern Sydney===
* Northern Suburbs
* Northern Suburbs (Ryde-Hunters Hill)
Suburb examples: Galdesville, Ryde, Epping, Beecroft
Suburb examples: Galdesville, Macquarie Park, Epping, Beecroft
LGA: Hunters Hill Council, City of Ryde, City of Parramatta (North-East End), Hornsby Shire Council (South End)
LGA: Hunters Hill Council, City of Ryde, City of Parramatta (North-East End), Hornsby Shire Council (South End)
Northern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.
Northern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.
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Western Boundary: Pennant Hills Road, Marsden Road and Wharf Road.
Western Boundary: Pennant Hills Road, Marsden Road and Wharf Road.
Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.
Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.
* Lower North Shore
* Lower North Shore (North Sydney-Willoughby)
Suburb examples: North Sydney, Mosman, Artarmon, Chatswood
Suburb examples: St Leonards, Mosman, Artarmon, Chatswood
LGA: Mosman Council, North Sydney Council, Lane Cove Council, Willoughby City Council
LGA: Mosman Council, North Sydney Council, Lane Cove Council, Willoughby City Council
Northern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.
Northern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.
Western Boundary: Lane Cove River.
Western Boundary: Lane Cove River.
* Upper North Shore
* Upper North Shore (Ku-ring-gai)
Suburb examples: Lindfield, St Ives, Pymble, Turramurra
Suburb examples: Lindfield, Gordon, Pymble, St Ives
LGA: Ku-Ring-Gai Council
LGA: Ku-Ring-Gai Council
Eastern Boundary: Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.
Eastern Boundary: Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.
Western Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway.
Western Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway.
Southern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.
Southern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.
* Outer North
* Outer North (Hornsby)
Suburb examples: Pennant Hills, Normanhurst, Hornsby, Berowra
Suburb examples: Pennant Hills, Normanhurst, Asquith, Berowra
LGA: Hornsby Shire Council (East Side)
LGA: Hornsby Shire Council (East Side)
Eastern Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway.
Eastern Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway.
Western Boundary: Berowra Creek.
Western Boundary: Berowra Creek.
Southern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.
Southern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.
* Forest District
* Forest District (Frenchs Forest)
Suburb examples: Frenchs Forest, Forestville, Duffys Forest
Suburb examples: Forestville, Oxford Falls, Duffys Forest
LGA: Northern Beaches Council (West Side)
LGA: Northern Beaches Council (West Side)
Northern Boundary: Smiths Creek.
Northern Boundary: Smiths Creek.
Eastern Boundary: Mona Vale Road, Forest Way, Morgan Road, Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.
Eastern Boundary: Mona Vale Road, Forest Way, Morgan Road, Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.
Western Boundary: Cowan Creek, Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.
Western Boundary: Cowan Creek, Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.
* Lower Northern Beaches
* Lower Northern Beaches (Manly-Warringah)
Suburb examples: Manly, Balgowlah, Dee Why, Narrabeen
Suburb examples: Balgowlah, Brookvale, Dee Why, Narrabeen
LGA: Northern Beaches Council (South-East End)
LGA: Northern Beaches Council (South-East End)
Northern Boundary: South Creek and Narrabeen Lagoon.
Northern Boundary: South Creek and Narrabeen Lagoon.
Western Boundary: Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.
Western Boundary: Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.
* Upper Northern Beaches
* Upper Northern Beaches (Pittwater)
Suburb examples: Mona Vale, Avalon Beach, Palm Beach
Suburb examples: Mona Vale, Avalon Beach, Palm Beach
LGA: Northern Beaches Council (North-East End)
LGA: Northern Beaches Council (North-East End)
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===Western Sydney===
===Western Sydney===
* Inner West
* Inner West (Marrickville-Leichhardt)
Suburb examples: Marrickville, Leichhardt, Burwood, Concord
Suburb examples: Glebe, Drummoyne, Ashfield, Burwood
LGA: Inner West Council, Burwood Council, City of Canada Bay, Strathfield Council (North End), City of Sydney (Far West Side), Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-East End)
LGA: Inner West Council, Burwood Council, City of Canada Bay, Strathfield Council (North End), City of Sydney (Far West Side), Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-East End)
Northern Boundary: Parramatta River.
Northern Boundary: Parramatta River.
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Western Boundary: Centenary Drive and Homebush Bay Drive.
Western Boundary: Centenary Drive and Homebush Bay Drive.
Southern Boundary: Cooks River.
Southern Boundary: Cooks River.
* Inner South-West
* Inner South-West (Canterbury)
Suburb examples: Earlwood, Campsie, Roselands, Punchbowl
Suburb examples: Earlwood, Campsie, Roselands, Punchbowl
LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (East Side), Strathfield Council (South End)
LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (East Side), Strathfield Council (South End)
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Western Boundary: Fairford Road, Stacey Street, Hume Highway and Salt Pan Creek.
Western Boundary: Fairford Road, Stacey Street, Hume Highway and Salt Pan Creek.
Southern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.
Southern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.
* Western Suburbs
* Western Suburbs (Parramatta-Blacktown)
Suburb examples: Auburn, Fairfield, Westmead, Blacktown,
Suburb examples: Auburn, Fairfield, Westmead, Seven Hills
LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-West End), Fairfield City Council (North End), Cumberland City Council, City of Parramatta (South End), Blacktown City Council (South-East End)
LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-West End), Fairfield City Council (North End), Cumberland City Council, City of Parramatta (South End), Blacktown City Council (South-East End)
Northern Boundary: Parramatta River, Old Windsor Road and M7.
Northern Boundary: Parramatta River, Old Windsor Road and M7.
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Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.
Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.
Southern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.
Southern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.
* South-Western Suburbs
* South-Western Suburbs (Bankstown-Liverpool)
Suburb examples: Bankstown, Cabramatta, Liverpool, Prestons
Suburb examples: Yagoona, Padstow, Cabramatta, Casula
LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (South-West End), Liverpool City Council (North-East Side), Fairfield City Council (South End)
LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (South-West End), Liverpool City Council (North-East Side), Fairfield City Council (South End)
Northern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.
Northern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.
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Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.
Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.
Southern Boundary: Holsworthy and Macarthur.
Southern Boundary: Holsworthy and Macarthur.
* North-Western Suburbs
* North-Western Suburbs (North Parramatta)
Suburb examples: North Parramatta, North Rocks, Northmead
Suburb examples: Northmead, North Rocks, Rydalmere
LGA: City of Parramatta (North-West Side)
LGA: City of Parramatta (North-West Side)
Northern Boundary: Hills Motorway.
Northern Boundary: Hills Motorway.
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Western Boundary: Old Windsor Road.
Western Boundary: Old Windsor Road.
Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.
Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.
* Hills District (Baulkham Hills-Cherrybrook)
* Outer West
Suburb examples: Mount Druitt, St Marys, Kingswood, Penrith
Suburb examples: Castle Hill, Norwest, Kellyville, Beaumont Hills
LGA: The Hills Shire (South End), Hornsby Shire Council (South-West End)
Northern Boundary: Kenthurst
Eastern Boundary: Berowra Creek and Pennant Hills Road.
Western Boundary: Old Windsor Road
Southern Boundary: Hills Motorway
* Outer West (Penrith-Mount Druitt)
Suburb examples: Rooty Hill, St Marys, Kingswood
LGA: Blacktown City Council (South-West End), Penrith City Council (South End)
LGA: Blacktown City Council (South-West End), Penrith City Council (South End)
Eastern Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.
Eastern Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.
Line 349: Line 366:
Eastern Boundary: Georges River.
Eastern Boundary: Georges River.
Southern Boundary: Nepean River.
Southern Boundary: Nepean River.
* Outer North-West
* Outer North-West (The Ponds)
Suburb examples: Cherrybrook, Castle Hill, Baulkham Hills, Rouse Hill
Suburb examples: Glenwood, Schofields, Marsden Park
LGA: Hornsby Shire Council (West Side), The Hills Shire (South End), Blacktown City Council (North End)
LGA: Blacktown City Council (North End)
Eastern Boundary: Berowra Creek and Pennant Hills Road.
Northern Boundary: The Hawkesbury
Southern Boundary: Hills Motorway and M7.
Eastern Boundary: Old Windsor Road
Western Boundary: Berkshire Park
Southern Boundary: M7


===Greater Sydney Surrounds===
* Central Coast
* Hawkesbury
* Blue Mountains
* Wollongong


While some may detest and argue that the new proposed map structure is 'original research' and inaccurate my response is that the existing map is far more inaccurate and mostly based off original research while this new proposed scheme is a more reliable eclectic idea based off government maps along with titles based off accurate direction from Sydney CBD. If original research is truly not allowed on Wikipedia then changing the existing map structure still should be addressed as this map should then be converted to either council LGA regions or Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions as only then would the map be truly accurately and reliably sourced. In its current form it is neither.
While some may detest and argue that the new proposed map structure is 'original research' and inaccurate my response is that the existing map is far more inaccurate and mostly based off original research while this new proposed scheme is a more reliable eclectic idea based off government maps along with titles based off accurate direction from Sydney CBD. If original research is truly not allowed on Wikipedia then changing the existing map structure still should be addressed as this map should then be converted to either council LGA regions or Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions as only then would the map be truly accurately and reliably sourced. In its current form it is neither.

Revision as of 15:19, 13 February 2024

This template is an accurate depiction of Sydney regions and is used by many region articles. It should not be deleted. J Bar (talk) 04:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Suburbs

This template should agree with existing maps of Sydney. In particular, existing government maps generally consider the Eastern Suburbs to extend all the way south to La Perouse Daceyvillain (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/South-Eastern_Sydney, in particular, the article is being considered for deletion. It is not appropriate to add it to this map. Daceyvillain (talk) 08:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from your confounding strong disdain towards the south-east and whether or not it should be on the map. I did add useful accurate regions to the map which didn't exist before. Unfortunately Daceyvillain has taken a strong disliking towards anything I do at this point. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:A535:DF74:821E:5DAB (talk) 08:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have been previously told to gain consensus first before making these changes. You have a strong crusade for including South East Sydney on Wikipedia and have failed to discuss/defend your position on the deletion discussion. Secondly you should really create an WP:ACCOUNT rather than switching IP addresses every few days. LibStar (talk) 08:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I feel very attacked for trying to improve accuracy. I understand you're trying to follow the rules on Wikipedia but really at the end of the day all the information I'm adding is really not making Wikipedia worse. I guess no one likes a vigilante. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:A535:DF74:821E:5DAB (talk) 09:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
you have failed to respond to my points. Why the reluctance to discuss on the deletion page where there is no reliable sources defining the South Eastern Suburbs? Why the reluctance to create an account? LibStar (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you should read everything from my perspective and imagine your own messages were someone speaking to you. Would you really bother creating an account if this is the treatment you get from other Wikipedia editors when you're only trying to improve Wikipedia's content. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:A535:DF74:821E:5DAB (talk) 09:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again you fail to answer the questions, they are not hard. Wikipedia works on WP:CONSENSUS. Something you fail to do. LibStar (talk) 09:13, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I feel we could end this silly debate diplomatically and in a civilized way but I keep getting shut down. I've even acknowledged that the south-east is part of the Eastern Suburbs in the larger sense because at the end of the day the region isn't that large and cutting it in half makes them both like micro regions. I was the one who wrote that the south-east is a sub-region of the eastern suburbs. The point I'm trying to make which I keep getting dismissed about is that the two regions are significantly different, the contrast is actually very large. I know this because I've lived in the region my whole life and while the 'Eastern Suburbs' may say it's Watsons Bay to La Perouse I know that putting those two ends in one category is kind of humorous. If you ask any person from the east if Matraville and Double Bay are both the 'Eastern Suburbs' they'd laugh because the thought of comparing those two suburbs and putting them in the same category is actually a very funny thought. If you lived in the area you'd understand and agree that while it may all be the 'Eastern Suburbs' the south-east is very different to the rest of the east. Again none of this means much to you because you just want statistics, links, references, boundaries, maps etc but when it comes to cultural, demographic and socioeconomic differences between areas if you live it you see it more than it could ever be on paper. Once again I'm only adding accuracy and real life experience to better improve information. I'm not about to start editing regions of cities I have no experience living in. I've provided you with all the reasons why the areas are different already and the list was long but it's never good enough so why would I keep trying to argue with a brick wall and even bother making an account over something so trivial. I'm not vandalizing Wikipedia and I don't believe the south-east is better than the rest of the east I just know they're completely different areas where residents in each don't really travel to the other and I'm just sharing that knowledge. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:A535:DF74:821E:5DAB (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not hearsay, personal opinion, or knowledge because you live in that area, that is considered original research. For weeks, you have been stubbornly adding in south east Sydney to suburbs without consensus or reliable sources and actually edit warring and trying to avoid scrutiny by changing IPs and a total avoidance to creating an account. LibStar (talk) 09:40, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and once again you're attacking me thinking I'm intentionally doing something to Wikipedia's demise and trying to spite you so what's the point in trying to prove myself. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:A535:DF74:821E:5DAB (talk) 09:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not attacking you merely pointing out how you have not abided by Wikipedia policy. Please read WP:CONSENSUS, WP:SPA and reliable sources. LibStar (talk) 09:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is OK if different types of people live in the same area. The boundaries of the Eastern Suburbs don't need to be redefined to include only one type of people.
You keep picking on Matraville for some reason - do you know that the Eastern Suburbs Crematorium was opened in Matraville in 1938?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/239986573
That area of Matraville is now called the Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Suburbs_Memorial_Park Daceyvillain (talk) 03:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good pick up. But according to anon IP it must be called "South Eastern Sydney Memorial Park"! LibStar (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.randwick.nsw.gov.au/about-us/news/news-items/2022/june/community-celebrates-as-new-laws-pass-prohibiting-matraville-incinerator
Well according to that article by the government site of City of Randwick it's a south-eastern Sydney suburb. But hey what do I know when a suburb like Matraville is so obviously in the same area as a suburb like Point Piper, silly me.
I guess someone better tell these waste management businesses in Botany and Matraville that the south-east doesn't exist either, silly them.
https://wanless.com.au/contact/botany-sydney-2019/
https://www.whitepages.com.au/south-east-sydney-waste-tranfr-12345514/matraville-nsw-12345515B 203.49.228.129 (talk) 03:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
business listings don't confirm a boundary or which suburbs make up the "south east region". Where is a definitive map of the south east published in a reliable source?
This economic profile is a joint initiative of Randwick City Council, Waverley Municipal Council and
Woollahra Municipal Council as local government authorities located in the Eastern Suburbs sub-region
of the Sydney Metropolitan area.
The Eastern Suburbs study area is a sub-region of the wider Sydney metropolitan area, located east and
south-east of the Sydney Central Business District. The Australian Bureau of Statistics identifies the
Eastern Suburbs as an SA3 statistical subdivision that includes the local government areas of Waverley,
Woollahra and Randwick.
The Eastern Suburbs extends from the peninsula of South Head at Watsons Bay in the north to
La Perouse on Botany Bay in the south. The northern part of the Eastern Suburbs comprises the affluent
suburbs of Vaucluse, Rose Bay, Darling Point, Dover Heights, Double Bay, Point Piper, Watsons Bay, and
Bellevue Hill. Centrally located to the Eastern Suburbs is Centennial Park, surrounded by the suburbs of
Woollahra, Paddington, Bondi Junction, Queens Park, Randwick, Kensington, Clovelly and Coogee. To the
south, the area includes suburbs such as Maroubra, Matraville, Malabar, Little Bay and La Perouse.
In total, the Eastern Suburbs covers an area of around 58 square kilometres, incorporating 34 suburbs.
The Eastern Suburbs features an extensive coastline, including some of Sydney’s most popular and best known beaches such as Bondi, Tamarama, Bronte, Clovelly, Coogee, Maroubra, Malabar, Little Bay and
La Perouse. The region also borders Sydney Harbour to the north and Botany Bay to the south.
LibStar (talk) 03:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Better tell the Australian Bureau of Statistics they're showing the Eastern suburbs as wrong. https://abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/quickstats/2021/118 LibStar (talk) 03:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So that report describes the suburbs within Woollahra Council as 'affluent' and goes onto to say that Maroubra, Matraville, Malabar, Little Bay and La Perouse are in the south. Sounds like everything I've been saying is included in an official report, that definitely couldn't be possible considering I've been conducting incorrect 'original research'. Better google some more references that say Matraville is part of the 'Eastern Suburbs' and not the south... 203.49.228.129 (talk) 03:56, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Better rename South Sydney High School to South Eastern Sydney High School to suit your argument. Haha. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just a school in Maroubra having the title of 'south' is enough for me. haha. 203.49.228.129 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If Randwick was going to merge with Waverley wouldn't it be right to call it "Eastern and South Eastern Suburbs Council". After all, Randwick Council residents don't shop at Westfield Bondi do they? https://www.randwick.nsw.gov.au/about-us/news/news-items/2015/may/randwick-citys-future-position-announced LibStar (talk) 04:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Give it time and the three of them will merge with City of Sydney to be the inner-city council of Sydney. But yes, residents of Matraville don't shop at Westfield Bondi if that's your question. 203.49.228.129 (talk) 04:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and if you live at Clovelly or Coogee you don't go to Bondi? LibStar (talk) 04:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
page 10 of this. https://www.randwick.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/327170/State-of-our-City-Report-2021-web.pdf "Our local government area covers 37.42 square kilometres (3,742 hectares) and includes the 13 suburbs of Chifley, Clovelly, Coogee, Kensington, Kingsford, La Perouse, Little Bay, Malabar, Maroubra, Matraville, Philip Bay, Randwick and South Coogee. It is located in the eastern suburbs of Sydney". Someone at Council better get the sack for not calling in South Eastern Sydney! LibStar (talk) 04:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
page 11 of official annual report. https://www.randwick.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/357397/2021-22-Annual-Report.PDF "Randwick City is located in the eastern suburbs of Sydney, bounded by Waverley Council to the north, the Pacific Ocean to the east, Botany Bay to the south and the City of Sydney and Bayside councils to the west." LibStar (talk) 04:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here is what the report from those councils actually says
"The Eastern Suburbs extends from the peninsula of South Head at Watsons Bay in the north to La Perouse on Botany Bay in the south.
The northern part of the Eastern Suburbs comprises the affluent suburbs of Vaucluse, Rose Bay, Darling Point, Dover Heights, Double Bay, Point Piper, Watsons Bay, and Bellevue Hill.
Centrally located to the Eastern Suburbs is Centennial Park, surrounded by the suburbs of Woollahra, Paddington, Bondi Junction, Queens Park, Randwick, Kensington, Clovelly and Coogee.
To the south, the area includes suburbs such as Maroubra, Matraville, Malabar, Little Bay and La Perouse."
i.e.
The report divides the Eastern Suburbs into a northern part, a central part, and a southern part for ease of description
But the report does not pretend that only the northern part is the actual Eastern Suburbs. Which is what you have been falsely claiming. Daceyvillain (talk) 04:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
it does not say "South eastern Sydney" LibStar (talk) 04:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well I wouldn't say it's a false claim when you can check any map and see which suburbs are south-east of the CBD and which suburbs are actually east. East is generally to the right. 203.49.228.129 (talk) 04:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Re: maps
We've shown you many government maps which clearly illustrate the Eastern Suburbs, but you have provided zero maps to illustrate "South Eastern Sydney" - besides a map which you tried to create yourself (this page).
At this point, I think we should delete/merge the South Eastern Sydney page and move on.
Wikipedia is based about facts, sources, citations, ..., but you are only offering your opinion. Daceyvillain (talk) 04:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
hey Daceyvillian, but if a couple of waste management companies say they're in the south east, then surely there must be a defined distinct south eastern region? People at Randwick Council and Australia Bureau of Statistics should get the sack for promoting an all encompassing Eastern Suburbs region down to La Perouse. LibStar (talk) 04:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Someone should tell the people buying $10-$15m houses in South Coogee and Maroubra, or the people buying $4-6m houses in Little Bay and La Perouse, that they are living in non-affluent areas. Daceyvillain (talk) 04:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
People of Bondi should be banned from driving on Anzac Parade or going to Prince of Wales Hospital. It should be like East and West Germany, they are different people and must be separated. LibStar (talk) 04:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like you better contact Woollahra council and tell them that Double Bay is just as affluent as Maroubra, although you may hear cries of laughter from their end.
But what I've really learnt from you two is that someone from NSW transport better be sentenced to life for creating the 'CBD and south east light rail' and not calling it the CBD and 'Eastern Subrubs' light rail. Clearly neither LibStar nor Daceyvillain sent them the memo that the south-east doesn't exist, silly them. 203.49.228.129 (talk) 04:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
where is the official map showing south eastern Sydney? LibStar (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and people unlike in Greater Western Sydney are not allowed to have a region of more than 1 NRL club. LibStar (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, someone in Mount Druitt is not earning the same as someone living in Parramatta and they follow different NRL teams and drive on different roads!! Yet they both live in Greater Western Sydney!! LibStar (talk) 04:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By your logic we should also sentence the people who designed the Eastern Suburbs Railway to originally terminate at Kingsford/Daceyville?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Suburbs_railway_line
It isn't clear how much thought was given to the naming of the new light rail. Probably very little thought. One of the stops is named after a private leagues club. Daceyvillain (talk) 04:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhhh, do you mean the eastern suburbs railway which doesn't terminate at Kingsford nor Daceyville but actually goes through Kings Cross and Edgecliff terminating at Bondi Junction? That One? 203.49.228.129 (talk) 04:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even look at the page? It was designed to terminate at Kingsford/Daceyville but they had to cut it short due to budget cuts.
(They also cancelled the station at Woollahra - does that mean Woollahra isn't in the Eastern Suburbs?) Daceyvillain (talk) 04:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The railway didn't go to Daceyville/Kingsford because it would serve the different race of South Eastern Sydney people. Much like how the Berlin Wall separated 2 different demographics. LibStar (talk) 05:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Made me laugh, but Robert Moses really did do this sort of thing in New York... it sounds like 203.49.228.129 could have similar aspirations...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/05/887386869/how-transportation-racism-shaped-america Daceyvillain (talk) 05:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's a real interesting article. LibStar (talk) 05:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking that cars from South Eastern Sydney shouldn't be allowed to visit Bondi westfield, Bondi Beach etc. , perhaps we can make special number plates for South Eastern Sydney residents. Also this week's NRL game between Rabbitohs and Roosters should not go ahead as residents of each area shouldn't mix. It's a recipe for a disaster. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
maybe we could modify this number plate. https://www.myplates.com.au/#/plate-summary/SS LibStar (talk) 05:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The game is certainly going to be a receipe for disaster with a maelstrom of Matraville and Woollahra residents who previously wouldn't have come into contact with each other. I only hope the stadium is left in one piece.
The residents of Randwick, Kingsford and Kensington should be told not to catch the light rail to the game however as it has incorrectly defined their suburbs as south eastern by the NSW Government. A Shameful mistake on their end, much like naming a stop after a juniors leagues club.
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/cbd-and-south-east-light-rail
'Sydney’s new CBD and South East Light Rail plays a key role in enabling the city’s transport future by transporting thousands of customers between the CBD and Randwick or Kingsford in the South Eastern suburbs.' 203.49.228.129 (talk) 06:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The residents of Randwick, Kingsford and Kensington are still yet to see an official map showing South Eastern Sydney. But by forcing it into several Wikipedia articles, they hope it will be adopted officially despite Randwick Council annual report saying otherwise. LibStar (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's funny years ago I was on the other side of this argument defending the fact that the eastern suburbs encompasses the entire region while I'd have people telling me otherwise and as I got older I started to realise that there was a contrast and distinction between the areas and how strong that contrast actually is.
Back to what you were saying about people of Coogee and Clovelly shopping at Westfield Bondi. I will say no resident in Woollahra and Waverley council shops at Westfield Eastgardens nor would they visit La Perouse recreationally even if they're from Queens Park or Bronte at the bottom of the region. When you condescendingly mentioned that Anzac Pde should be off limits to those residents in Woollahra and Waverley Council, it's something I would sarcastically say when people in the upper eastern suburbs would say they don't shop and/or have never been to Westfield Eastgardens. Like 'oh is Eastgardens too far south for you?' or 'is Eastgardens out of your area?', it would be such a tragedy if someone from Bronte would have to travel 15-20 Minutes to Eastgardens.
I experienced this a lot when I Worked in Westfield Bondi and literally no one would ever be willing to drive to Eastgardens to get something in stock there. The responses I'd often get is 'That's near the Airport/Maroubra, it's quite far. I'm not driving there' and some people didn't even know where it was. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:B013:7BAF:F32A:A32E (talk) 07:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your anecdotal evidence is not considered a reliable source. LibStar (talk) 08:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You take everything too seriously. I'm speaking to you like a human being trying to be civilized not trying to prove anything at this point if I'm honest. Just because we're looking at something from a different angle doesn't mean we have to be at each other's throats. 2405:6E00:289:B4FC:B013:7BAF:F32A:A32E (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

South-Eastern Sydney

As I understand from previous discussions here is that there was a former south-east article of Sydney deleted and merged with the larger article of Sydney's Eastern Suburbs which apparently got south-east sydney removed from this map. While perhaps the region isn't referenced enough to warrant its own article, on this Sydney template map acknowledging this part of Sydney is still useful as it is acknowledged in government sources (mostly transport and council LGA) to be somewhat different from other parts of the Eastern Suburbs. I don't understand why it's been a touchy topic. From my understanding south-east Sydney is centred around the Randwick LGA. South-Western Sydney is part of Greater Western Sydney but it's still acknowledged individually in its own respect. I've done a lot of research on Sydney regions and the various ways they get divided and I found these reliable sources (mostly government sources) that are dedicated to south-east Sydney giving the impression that it does exist in its own form in some way to warrant an inclusion on the map. I'm not interested however in carrying on any heated debates that previously went on regarding this topic. This is just what I found:

Whatever consensus concludes regarding what regions stay on this map, the coding for the spaced out complete map is:

I trust Wikipedia consensus. 2405:6E00:48F:E430:70FF:6E85:406F:A524 (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please confirm that you have not edited under another IP? As a "new" editor your edits are very detailed. LibStar (talk) 23:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Map in Need of Revamp

The existing map is outdated, vague and inaccurate. It has regions that are cluttered, overlapping and aren't organised properly. It includes place names like Airport, Botany Bay and Bondi Beach which are taking up too much room on the map unnecessarily as they are not regions but individual places/locations. The current map lists certain regions on it with compass titles but then also randomly has council LGA titles mixed in too when in reality the council LGAs would fit into the compass regions and the map should be basing its titles off one or the other. The way the map is now isn't coherent, consistent and is absolutely based off original research. Sydney's compass regions will always be indefinite and subjective mostly based off colloquialism so if the map is going to list compass regions without following existing government maps, the map will always have some sort of subjective original research.

In hindsight the map could just have council LGA titles as that appears to be what the internal dividing of the map is outlining and that would be the only true way to make this map officially structured with reliable government sourcing. The other alternative reliable way to name the regions on the map would be to base the map off of the official Australian Bureau of Statistic's Regions at either their statistical area Level 3; https://abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/community-profiles/2021/11703 or statistical area level 4; https://abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/quickstats/2021/117.

If we're going to choose to keep the map as compass regions as opposed to making it officially government sourced based off council LGAs or The Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions then I propose the map gets updated, organised, properly named and inclusive of compass regions that are currently missing. I've done a lot of research on Sydney's Regions and created new coding for the map which give each section of Sydney its own identity basing it primarily off existing Sydney regions and their compass direction/proximity from Sydney CBD as well as also basing it off existing Wikipedia Articles, council LGAs, The Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions, Cumberland County Cadastral Parishes, federal divisions and postcode sequences. With all these taken into account the new map is more inclusive, detailed, properly organised and informative. I've linked all the regions to their corresponding Wikipedia Articles and linked some regions to council LGA articles (both current & former ones) for the sake of describing certain regions that may not necessarily have a corresponding article with the same title. I've also included some peri-urban areas and towns that surround Greater Sydney which are located on the map but aren't listed nor acknowledged (probably because they're not part of Greater Sydney). I felt adding The Central Coast, The Blue Mountains and Holsworthy is still useful however and makes the map more inclusive even if these areas are not within Greater Sydney.

I have made a similar proposal regarding The 'Sydney image with region labels' Map on its talk page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Regions_of_Sydney The coding is as follows:

This new map structure is based off of the following boundaries:

Central Sydney

  • Sydney City Centre

Area: Sydney CBD Postcode: 2000 LGA: City of Sydney (North End)

  • Inner City-North

Suburbs: The Rocks, Millers Point, Dawes Point, Barangaroo Postcode: 2000 LGA: City of Sydney (North End)

  • Inner City-South

Suburbs: Haymarket Postcode: 2000 LGA: City of Sydney (Centre)

  • Inner City-West

Suburbs: Pyrmont, Ultimo, Chippendale, Darlington. Postcodes: 2007, 2008 and 2009 LGA: City of Sydney (North-West Side)

  • Inner City-East

Suburbs: Surry Hills, Darlinghurst, Woolloomooloo, Potts Point, Elizabeth Bay, Rushcutters Bay. Postcodes: 2010 and 2011 LGA: City of Sydney (North-East Side)

Eastern Sydney

  • Eastern Suburbs (Woollahra-Waverley)

Suburb examples: Paddington, Bondi, Double Bay, Vaucluse Postcodes: 2021 to 2030 LGA: Waverley Council, Woollahra Municipal Council, The Centennial Parklands, City of Sydney (Far East Side) Western Boundary: Eastern Distributor, South Dowling Street, Boundary Street, Neild Avenue and Rushcutters Creek

  • South-Eastern Suburbs (Randwick-Botany)

Suburb examples: Coogee, Kingsford, Maroubra, Eastgardens Postcodes: 2031 to 2036, 2052, 2018 and 2019 LGA: Randwick City Council, Bayside Council (East Side) Western Boundary: Eastern Distributor, Southern Cross Drive and Mill Stream. Southern Boundary: Botany Bay

Southern Sydney

  • Inner South (South Sydney)

Suburb examples: Redfern, Zetland, Alexandria, Mascot Postcodes: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2020 LGA: City of Sydney (South End), Bayside Council (North End) Northern Boundary: Central Station and Cleveland Street. Eastern Boundary: Eastern Distributor, Southern Cross Drive and Mill Stream. Western Boundary: Alexandra Canal and T3 Train Line. Southern Boundary: Botany Bay.

  • Southern Suburbs (St George)

Suburb examples: Rockdale, Kogarah, Sans Souci, Hurstville LGA: Georges River Council, Bayside Council (West Side) Northern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5. Eastern Boundary: Botany Bay. Western Boundary: Salt Pan Creek. Southern Boundary: Georges River.

  • Outer South (Sutherland Shire)

Suburb examples: Menai, Miranda, Caringbah, Cronulla LGA: Sutherland Shire Council Northern Boundary: Georges River and Botany Bay Western Boundary: Mill Creek Southern Boundary: Port Hacking

Northern Sydney

  • Northern Suburbs (Ryde-Hunters Hill)

Suburb examples: Galdesville, Macquarie Park, Epping, Beecroft LGA: Hunters Hill Council, City of Ryde, City of Parramatta (North-East End), Hornsby Shire Council (South End) Northern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek. Eastern Boundary: Lane Cove River. Western Boundary: Pennant Hills Road, Marsden Road and Wharf Road. Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.

  • Lower North Shore (North Sydney-Willoughby)

Suburb examples: St Leonards, Mosman, Artarmon, Chatswood LGA: Mosman Council, North Sydney Council, Lane Cove Council, Willoughby City Council Northern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek. Western Boundary: Lane Cove River.

  • Upper North Shore (Ku-ring-gai)

Suburb examples: Lindfield, Gordon, Pymble, St Ives LGA: Ku-Ring-Gai Council Eastern Boundary: Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park. Western Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway. Southern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.

  • Outer North (Hornsby)

Suburb examples: Pennant Hills, Normanhurst, Asquith, Berowra LGA: Hornsby Shire Council (East Side) Eastern Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway. Western Boundary: Berowra Creek. Southern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.

  • Forest District (Frenchs Forest)

Suburb examples: Forestville, Oxford Falls, Duffys Forest LGA: Northern Beaches Council (West Side) Northern Boundary: Smiths Creek. Eastern Boundary: Mona Vale Road, Forest Way, Morgan Road, Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest. Western Boundary: Cowan Creek, Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.

  • Lower Northern Beaches (Manly-Warringah)

Suburb examples: Balgowlah, Brookvale, Dee Why, Narrabeen LGA: Northern Beaches Council (South-East End) Northern Boundary: South Creek and Narrabeen Lagoon. Western Boundary: Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.

  • Upper Northern Beaches (Pittwater)

Suburb examples: Mona Vale, Avalon Beach, Palm Beach LGA: Northern Beaches Council (North-East End) Northern Boundary: Pittwater and Broken Bay. Western Boundary: Mccarrs Creek and Wirreanda Creek. Southern Boundary: South Creek and Narrabeen Lagoon.

Western Sydney

  • Inner West (Marrickville-Leichhardt)

Suburb examples: Glebe, Drummoyne, Ashfield, Burwood LGA: Inner West Council, Burwood Council, City of Canada Bay, Strathfield Council (North End), City of Sydney (Far West Side), Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-East End) Northern Boundary: Parramatta River. Eastern Boundary: Alexandra Canal, Erskineville, Camperdown and Glebe. Western Boundary: Centenary Drive and Homebush Bay Drive. Southern Boundary: Cooks River.

  • Inner South-West (Canterbury)

Suburb examples: Earlwood, Campsie, Roselands, Punchbowl LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (East Side), Strathfield Council (South End) Northern Boundary: Cooks River. Western Boundary: Fairford Road, Stacey Street, Hume Highway and Salt Pan Creek. Southern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.

  • Western Suburbs (Parramatta-Blacktown)

Suburb examples: Auburn, Fairfield, Westmead, Seven Hills LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-West End), Fairfield City Council (North End), Cumberland City Council, City of Parramatta (South End), Blacktown City Council (South-East End) Northern Boundary: Parramatta River, Old Windsor Road and M7. Eastern Boundary: Centenary Drive and Homebush Bay Drive. Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands. Southern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.

  • South-Western Suburbs (Bankstown-Liverpool)

Suburb examples: Yagoona, Padstow, Cabramatta, Casula LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (South-West End), Liverpool City Council (North-East Side), Fairfield City Council (South End) Northern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek. Eastern Boundary: Fairford Road, Stacey Street, Hume Highway and Salt Pan Creek. Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands. Southern Boundary: Holsworthy and Macarthur.

  • North-Western Suburbs (North Parramatta)

Suburb examples: Northmead, North Rocks, Rydalmere LGA: City of Parramatta (North-West Side) Northern Boundary: Hills Motorway. Eastern Boundary: Pennant Hills Road, Marsden Road and Wharf Road. Western Boundary: Old Windsor Road. Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.

  • Hills District (Baulkham Hills-Cherrybrook)

Suburb examples: Castle Hill, Norwest, Kellyville, Beaumont Hills LGA: The Hills Shire (South End), Hornsby Shire Council (South-West End) Northern Boundary: Kenthurst Eastern Boundary: Berowra Creek and Pennant Hills Road. Western Boundary: Old Windsor Road Southern Boundary: Hills Motorway

  • Outer West (Penrith-Mount Druitt)

Suburb examples: Rooty Hill, St Marys, Kingswood LGA: Blacktown City Council (South-West End), Penrith City Council (South End) Eastern Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands. Western Boundary: Nepean River.

  • Outer South-West (Macarthur)

Suburb examples: Campbelltown, Gregory Hills, Narellan LGA: Camden Council, Campbelltown City Council Eastern Boundary: Georges River. Southern Boundary: Nepean River.

  • Outer North-West (The Ponds)

Suburb examples: Glenwood, Schofields, Marsden Park LGA: Blacktown City Council (North End) Northern Boundary: The Hawkesbury Eastern Boundary: Old Windsor Road Western Boundary: Berkshire Park Southern Boundary: M7

Greater Sydney Surrounds

  • Central Coast
  • Hawkesbury
  • Blue Mountains
  • Wollongong

While some may detest and argue that the new proposed map structure is 'original research' and inaccurate my response is that the existing map is far more inaccurate and mostly based off original research while this new proposed scheme is a more reliable eclectic idea based off government maps along with titles based off accurate direction from Sydney CBD. If original research is truly not allowed on Wikipedia then changing the existing map structure still should be addressed as this map should then be converted to either council LGA regions or Australian Bureau of Statistics' Regions as only then would the map be truly accurately and reliably sourced. In its current form it is neither.

As I understand Wikipedia acts on consensus so I'm going to leave this here for experienced, responsible, fair, unbiased and attentive editors to review and decide on what action to take regarding the current maps veracity. While this new scheme may not be favoured, a change to the map's accuracy is definitely in need. I trust Wikipedia's consensus. Thank you to whoever has taken the time to read this. 2405:6E00:48F:E430:28B6:6BC7:B462:95ED (talk) 09:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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