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:::::{{ping|Rockchalk717}} is there anything I am getting wrong or missing here. Your input would be appreciated as well. '''[[User:Words in the Wind|<span style="color: #FF0000;">Words in the Wind</span>]]'''<span style="color: #00FF00;">([[User talk:Words in the Wind|talk]])</span> 03:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC) |
:::::{{ping|Rockchalk717}} is there anything I am getting wrong or missing here. Your input would be appreciated as well. '''[[User:Words in the Wind|<span style="color: #FF0000;">Words in the Wind</span>]]'''<span style="color: #00FF00;">([[User talk:Words in the Wind|talk]])</span> 03:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::The official source of the NFL, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, does not recognize AFL titles as NFL championships. What can't you not understand? Also, I have not made any edits to articles of other NFL teams. You have to provide an official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 NFL championships or similarly that the AFL titles are recognized as NFL championships. If you cannot provide such a source, do not make changes to the infobox. It's really not complicated. [[User:Kj1595|Kj1595]] ([[User talk:Kj1595|talk]]) 04:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC) |
::::::The official source of the NFL, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, does not recognize AFL titles as NFL championships. What can't you not understand? Also, I have not made any edits to articles of other NFL teams. You have to provide an official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 NFL championships or similarly that the AFL titles are recognized as NFL championships. If you cannot provide such a source, do not make changes to the infobox. It's really not complicated. [[User:Kj1595|Kj1595]] ([[User talk:Kj1595|talk]]) 04:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Add both league titles, designating which are AFL & which are NFL. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 04:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC) |
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The Chiefs have not retired number 24
Skyy Moore currently wears this number. Brandon Flowers opted to retire with the Chiefs after several seasons with another team. Perhaps that is the source of the confusion. 2603:7080:1C39:6491:38EE:DA93:D827:19B (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Seconding this change, via https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/#all_3919648791 Number 24 is not included in the retired numbers chart via pro-football-reference. Additionally, the wrong Brandon Flowers is linked on the live page. Rmcmullin (talk) 17:10, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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In right-hand column under “Super Bowl Championships (3)”, change “2022 (LVII)” to “2023 (LVII)”. Jcatlin1 (talk) 06:16, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Not done. The super Bowl in 2023 was for the 2022 season, it just lasted an extra month and a bit. --Mvqr (talk) 12:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
What-A-Burger
Since Branson, Mo is the vacation destination of the team, what are the chances of getting a What-A-Burger here so everyone could see the big orange/white "W" on the north side of town when tourists & fans come into our area? 173.218.36.91 (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Dynasty
Suggesting if the Reid/Mahomes era should be split to its own article similar to Patriots since it’s now recognized as one Btomblinson (talk) 09:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
League titles
@Words in the Wind: The Chiefs have won 4 NFL championships according to the actual article which links to the team's Infobox. AFL titles are not recognized as NFL championships. Please, do not revert the changes until we get a general consensus from other users. Kj1595 (talk) 21:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@Kj1595: Please see Template:Infobox NFL team for more information on listing league championships (which does not just refer to the National Football League but also the American Football League). I honestly do not have any skin in this game but based on previous consensus this is how the information has been included and listed. I am very sorry and I am not trying to be rude, but you do not get the right to unilaterally revert information that has long had consensus. Please see Buffalo Bills, Houston Oilers, and San Diego Chargers for more information. Again if you believe the infobox information is incorrect, I would suggest getting consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League where you might generate a larger conversation on this.
I am sorry, I am not trying to start fights or wars with you but you seem pretty emotionally engaged on this issue. That is not my intent here. I understand secondly you may be confusing NFL and AFL history, but I think that is something that could get sorted while trying to get consensus on the issue at the NFL page. Please let me know if you have any questions, and do not revert the page any further as yes, this will get reported for edit warring where this can get sorted out later.
Once again, I am sorry you seem upset on this issue. If you are confused or upset about this, please explain why and we can go from there. Words in the Wind(talk) 21:47, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's you who are confused. The AFL was added to the old NFL via the merger. However, only the championships of the old NFL are recognized as such. Green Bay has 13 titles as it was an original NFL team. The AFL, prior to joining the NFL, was its own seperate league. Kj1595 (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League, this has nothing to do with me. Words in the Wind(talk) 21:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- This has everything to do with you as it is you who is erroneously updating the article's infobox. And you keep posting the same wikiproject link for some strange reason. The actual Wiki article that links to the infobox lists all the NFL champions. The Bills, Oilers and SD Chargers articles are all wrong. Look at the New York Jets and Las Vegas Raiders articles as model examples. The official Pro Football Hall of Fame website shows the correct list as well. Where did you come up with number 5? Even if somehow we were to include the AFL titles, shouldn't the Chiefs have 7 championships? This is the last warning. If you undo the infobox changes one more time, without getting a consensus resolution in the talk page of this article, I will report you to the Admin Noticeboard. The Pro Football Hall of Fame website is the official source of the NFL. Unless you can provide an alternative official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 championships, do not make any changes to the infobox. Kj1595 (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello again @Kj1595:, I see you have changed the page again without consensus. I will do my best to describe why we have had the page showing five titles (as of Sunday).
- The total league titles combines all pre-Super Bowl League titles with the Super Bowl titles. The math is not overly complicated as there was one pre-Super Bowl title in 1962, the Texan/Chiefs lost Super Bowl I in 1967, so the '66 year is not counted towards total league titles. To reduce double counting, the 1969 year is not counted either. This gives four Super Bowl titles and the one pre-merger AFL title, 4+1=5. The AFL-NFL merger certainly complicates the history of the sport as all titles are eligible to be claimed as "league titles". This is why I keep asking you to take this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League, I think it makes sense to have a conversation there.
- Can I ask why you are only removing pre-Super Bowl titles on the page for the Chiefs/Texans and not on other team pages like the Buffalo Bills or San Diego Chargers? I am just trying to get a sense of the rationale, it may help us find the way to the best consensus. I would also add the way you have edited the page the math of the various league titles also does not add up correctly.
- Also you keep saying I have been the one adding this information, but it has been on this Wikipedia page over the last 15+ years as such, which is why I have asked you to get consensus first before changing it. I have added a few historic links below to verify the page history.
- version history 2021
- version history 2019
- version history 2016
- version history 2011
- version history 2008
- Can you let me know if that makes sense in terms of how the math works? If not I would be happy to start the page the build consensus on the larger NFL talk page I have linked you to numerous times. Words in the Wind(talk) 03:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Rockchalk717: is there anything I am getting wrong or missing here. Your input would be appreciated as well. Words in the Wind(talk) 03:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- The official source of the NFL, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, does not recognize AFL titles as NFL championships. What can't you not understand? Also, I have not made any edits to articles of other NFL teams. You have to provide an official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 NFL championships or similarly that the AFL titles are recognized as NFL championships. If you cannot provide such a source, do not make changes to the infobox. It's really not complicated. Kj1595 (talk) 04:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Rockchalk717: is there anything I am getting wrong or missing here. Your input would be appreciated as well. Words in the Wind(talk) 03:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- This has everything to do with you as it is you who is erroneously updating the article's infobox. And you keep posting the same wikiproject link for some strange reason. The actual Wiki article that links to the infobox lists all the NFL champions. The Bills, Oilers and SD Chargers articles are all wrong. Look at the New York Jets and Las Vegas Raiders articles as model examples. The official Pro Football Hall of Fame website shows the correct list as well. Where did you come up with number 5? Even if somehow we were to include the AFL titles, shouldn't the Chiefs have 7 championships? This is the last warning. If you undo the infobox changes one more time, without getting a consensus resolution in the talk page of this article, I will report you to the Admin Noticeboard. The Pro Football Hall of Fame website is the official source of the NFL. Unless you can provide an alternative official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 championships, do not make any changes to the infobox. Kj1595 (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League, this has nothing to do with me. Words in the Wind(talk) 21:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Add both league titles, designating which are AFL & which are NFL. GoodDay (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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