Talk:Demon

Word Meaning

Hi,

I think that before greek mentioning in Hebrew language Demon is related to "Red One" which is related to Esaw. I think this meaning is used very often for describing the red "devil" with horse legs and horns. The red one is transliterated "HaAdmon" A different interpunctuation can then really fast lead to "demon" based on the missing vocals in bold hebrew. Since I didnt find this meaning in the whole article I found it necessary to mention here for further notice.

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i know that 105.245.234.50 (talk) 02:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

I propose that the content of Devil be merged into this article. The content of the Devil is similar to that of Demons. 210.181.111.231 (talk) 05:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Being similar isn't reason for merging. A devil is more specific than just demons which can be anything from powerful god-like beings to small annoyances.★Trekker (talk) 08:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose There are enough significant differences between the two concepts to justify two seperate articles. The Devil is not always classed among the demons; for the early Christians, for instance, Satan was technically an angel, while demons were the ghosts of the Nephilim. Dan from A.P. (talk) 10:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Even lesser devils are not necessarily equal to demons, and not all beliefs acknowledging demons have devils (like Egypt for example).'--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - while there may be some overlap, the two terms generally have different usages - Epinoia (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Reasoning seems patently obvious to most involved. Zhomron (talk) 17:08, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. I've revised the summary, pointing out that demons and devils are not the same thing, and that demons may or may not also be believed to be devils. Stephen.R.Ferg (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Section 'Wicca'

The section is only two sentences, and they are part of one quote. THe quote further says only that the topic of this article is not adressed in this worldview. I do not see the benefit in including an entire section just to state that they do not relate to the main article. Should this sentence be integrated to another section or be removed entirely? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

On top of that, it's a tertiary source which may not represent the views of all Wiccans. I'd say either expand and source to several academic sources on Wicca for a wider range of views, or remove for now. Skyerise (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I remember me attempting to find reliable descriptions of demons in Wicca before. However, to no avail. I imagine it hard to find accurate descriptions of a rather modern and undefined movement such as Wicca. My opinion tends towards removal. If sources about demons in Wicca are found, a section can be created in accordance with whatever the source will have to say about the subject. Now, it is all just speculation. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Classification and grouping

The article is currently mostly structured around organized religions or relions by region. With further research on the Divs (demons) we find an inter-cultural depiction of demons in the Iranian and Central Asian regions. Currently, they are mostly discussed in the Persian section. I wonder, if a "South-Central Asia-Region" section could be fruitful. In this section, we could elaborate on more culturally fluid demons in this region. Some sources for "divs" are "Armenian Demonology: A Critical Overview", "Early Islamic Iran", and "SÜLEYMÂN-NÂME’DE MİTOLOJİK BİR UNSUR OLARAK DÎVLER* Mehmet Burak ÇAKIN". The latter one is a paper about Divs in Turkish language before the modern-period. However, this would add a new layer to the general structure of the article. On the other hand, I am afraid that the current state of the article could make a categorical error by classifying demons into strict boundaries. Again, the divs sem to be the only real inter-cultural demons, all other "demons" are rather ambigious spirits rather than demonic. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

"all other "demons" are rather ambigious spirits rather than demonic" What do you mean ambiguous? We have articles on characters like Pazuzu, who were seen as both "destructive and dangerous", and as protective guardians for women. Dimadick (talk) 21:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)