Talk:Demon

Word Meaning

Hi,

I think that before greek mentioning in Hebrew language Demon is related to "Red One" which is related to Esaw. I think this meaning is used very often for describing the red "devil" with horse legs and horns. The red one is transliterated "HaAdmon" A different interpunctuation can then really fast lead to "demon" based on the missing vocals in bold hebrew. Since I didnt find this meaning in the whole article I found it necessary to mention here for further notice.

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i know that 105.245.234.50 (talk) 02:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

I propose that the content of Devil be merged into this article. The content of the Devil is similar to that of Demons. 210.181.111.231 (talk) 05:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Being similar isn't reason for merging. A devil is more specific than just demons which can be anything from powerful god-like beings to small annoyances.★Trekker (talk) 08:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose There are enough significant differences between the two concepts to justify two seperate articles. The Devil is not always classed among the demons; for the early Christians, for instance, Satan was technically an angel, while demons were the ghosts of the Nephilim. Dan from A.P. (talk) 10:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Even lesser devils are not necessarily equal to demons, and not all beliefs acknowledging demons have devils (like Egypt for example).'--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - while there may be some overlap, the two terms generally have different usages - Epinoia (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Reasoning seems patently obvious to most involved. Zhomron (talk) 17:08, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. I've revised the summary, pointing out that demons and devils are not the same thing, and that demons may or may not also be believed to be devils. Stephen.R.Ferg (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Section 'Wicca'

The section is only two sentences, and they are part of one quote. THe quote further says only that the topic of this article is not adressed in this worldview. I do not see the benefit in including an entire section just to state that they do not relate to the main article. Should this sentence be integrated to another section or be removed entirely? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

On top of that, it's a tertiary source which may not represent the views of all Wiccans. I'd say either expand and source to several academic sources on Wicca for a wider range of views, or remove for now. Skyerise (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I remember me attempting to find reliable descriptions of demons in Wicca before. However, to no avail. I imagine it hard to find accurate descriptions of a rather modern and undefined movement such as Wicca. My opinion tends towards removal. If sources about demons in Wicca are found, a section can be created in accordance with whatever the source will have to say about the subject. Now, it is all just speculation. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Classification and grouping

The article is currently mostly structured around organized religions or relions by region. With further research on the Divs (demons) we find an inter-cultural depiction of demons in the Iranian and Central Asian regions. Currently, they are mostly discussed in the Persian section. I wonder, if a "South-Central Asia-Region" section could be fruitful. In this section, we could elaborate on more culturally fluid demons in this region. Some sources for "divs" are "Armenian Demonology: A Critical Overview", "Early Islamic Iran", and "SÜLEYMÂN-NÂME’DE MİTOLOJİK BİR UNSUR OLARAK DÎVLER* Mehmet Burak ÇAKIN". The latter one is a paper about Divs in Turkish language before the modern-period. However, this would add a new layer to the general structure of the article. On the other hand, I am afraid that the current state of the article could make a categorical error by classifying demons into strict boundaries. Again, the divs sem to be the only real inter-cultural demons, all other "demons" are rather ambigious spirits rather than demonic. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

"all other "demons" are rather ambigious spirits rather than demonic" What do you mean ambiguous? We have articles on characters like Pazuzu, who were seen as both "destructive and dangerous", and as protective guardians for women. Dimadick (talk) 21:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I meant demons in the broeader sense. I have not seen a response in my Watchlist and received no notifactions. I now did the change I had in mind. If you think it is an improvement, it is done, if you disagree we can keep the old structure. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Citation 113

please consider islam in it most original form is called sunni and have no correlation with shia which is immensely merged into the topic of islam.. Strongly Recommend to abscind each into a topic of it's own as it is to be highly misleading information without proper elicitation!

Example, Citation 113 speaking of turning humans to stone is totally absent in islam except for shia. for affirmation sunni is the most origin to islam and the only form of prophet Muhammad's message. Shia and sunni can't go in parallel, adding to even more contradiction. 45.99.52.165 (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Where did you get that this is a Shia thing? Also Sunni Islam is muchh more syncretic in nature than Shia Islam. Please remember that Wahhabism is not Sunni Islam, but a reform-movement from within Sunni Islam. It feels sometimes like people speak of Sunnism but actually mean Wahhabism. If you point it out because the term "div" is closely etymologically related to the Persian "deva", remember that Persia converted to Shia Islam relatively late. "Shia = Iran" is not a constant throughout Islamic history. If I remember correctly, Shia Islam has been once associated with North Africa, but I do not remember the time-period. By the way, Sunni and Shia beliefs are in pre-Modern times even hard to distinguish, the clear cuts are a rather modern or even post-modern phenomena.

However, I agree with that there are a few claims rather associated with Middle Eastern/Asian demon-beliefs in general, rather than being strictly Islamic ones. This is why I requested the split within the sections above. I made a section for demons in Middle Eastern beliefs now. After reading the source about Armenian demons (being called "div"), Islam does not seem to be the common factor they share. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)