Talk:Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing/Archive 1

Archive 1

Type of Bomb

The type of explosives used is crucial evidence and needs to be expanded on. A TV presenter quoting a government official is hearsay. I think the article's description of RDX Torpex is pure speculation and need to be referenced. Did Pakistani military investigators use a Geiger Counter? (photo here ) U2r2h (talk) 23:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

American bias in article?

"One American was reported killed in the blast, while several other foreigners were wounded, according to a hospital and security officials."

Erm, don't you think this is a bit biased? OMG, one American was killed! And yes, other "foreigners" were killed, as well. Darkshark0159 (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

If we get details on the other persons it should be added, but I don't see how that precludes keeping already gathered info. Joshdboz (talk) 19:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

As we get information on all the victims we should summarize it in the article. It is not surprising that an American citizen among the dead is the first such piece of information to become publicized. __meco (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a citation showing that other foreigners (foreign meaning non-Pakistani) were killed? Superm401 - Talk 20:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes 4 British nationals were killed. LOTRrules (talk) 21:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Read above. Do you have a citation? Superm401 - Talk 22:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Images

Too early for this type of image licensing? Image:MariottIslamabad20-9-08.JPG

Why can't Image:MariottIslamabad20-9-08b.JPG be used in the mean time???

..because it doesn't give any information.

Sure, but it is a good piece to hold the page over until better imagery become available. A lack of pictures, whether great or rubbish, drive some casual viewers away from such lacking articles. Darkshark0159 (talk) 22:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

We need an image of a map of the region in which this situation took place, or an image of the destruction with proper licenses.  AcroX  22:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

What about the one[[1]] from WikiNews? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkshark0159 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Look at some of the other terrorist incident articles and see how they have done it. __meco (talk) 22:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I have. Virtually all similar bombings use the licensing used in this image I prepared earlier: Image:MariottIslamabad20-9-08.JPG Darkshark0159 (talk) 22:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no reason a free photo can't be taken at the scene. Recovery and rebuilding will probably take a very long time. Superm401 - Talk 22:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Satellite image

The satellite image you posted is non-free too. Please, if you're not sure you have a free image, don't upload it. Superm401 - Talk 23:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Please don't restore the satellite image without explaining how it is free and adding this info to the image description page. Superm401 - Talk 23:27, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, it is an image from Wikimapia. That good for you? Restoring now. Darkshark0159 (talk) 23:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

You need to add details, including a URL, to the image page. It is also necessary to explain where Wikimapia got the image, because they don't own any satellites either as far as I know. It appears Wikimapia is simply a mash-up. It combines Google Maps, a non-free map service, and Wikipedia, which they illegally use without mentioning the GFDL. Superm401 - Talk 23:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

1. Can you identify any content on Wikimapia that is illegal and uses Wikipedia? Wikimapia itself does not do mass uploads from Wikipedia or any other sources; all illegal content there is uploaded piecemeal by users. If so, it can be removed by any editor in the same fashion - but beware their dispute resolution practice is stone age. 2. Maps on Wikimapia are clearly marked and watermarked as a Google service. Hardly a mashup. NVO (talk) 11:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay Superm401, you are officially a WikiJerk. Darkshark0159 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

In other words, WTF. Who the hell cares of part of an image is grey-area. Just sod off and let this article be the best it can be. Darkshark0159 (talk) 00:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You are not improving the article by adding non-free images, nor are you improving this discussion by using personal attacks. Superm401 - Talk 00:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You are simply wrong. It is only logical that a half-decent picture is better than none at all. Wake up. People like pictures! Darkshark0159 (talk) 00:16, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Put it this way, virtually all of the other terrorist attacks are represented by non-free media. Why should this article be any different? Stop holding Wikipedia back. Darkshark0159 (talk) 00:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:MariottIslamabad20-9-08.JPG Darkshark0159 (talk) 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC) Other parts of the wikiempire are using non-free for this event. Wikipedia should as well.

An attitude of, We got away with non-free media before. Let's add as much as possible this time is not going to help us create a free encyclopedia. I don't think you can point to a single case where there was consensus to use a non-free satellite images. Some articles use non-free news images, and many of those are actually inappropriate. In this case, the attack's just happened, and it's way premature to add non-free images.

If this is really Pakistan's 9/11, then we should consider that there are hundreds of free 9/11 images. If other projects are using non-free images, they should probably be removed there too. Superm401 - Talk 00:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:INN sort of fits in here. That latest image of yours came directly from CNN (or one of the news sites, I forget which I saw it on), that's against the rules. Now that map of the region was perfect for the article, minus the satellite image? Why can't we use that? Why must we use non-free images?  AcroX  00:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I added a simple free locator image for consideration. Superm401 - Talk 00:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

open street maps has reasonable coverage of Islamabad so we might be able to get a reasonable map from that.Geni 18:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)