Talk:Sam Hocevar

Speedy deletion

I have no idea why this article should be deleted, the user placing the notice might not have properly read through the page. Sam Hocevar is going to become the Debian Project Leader, and all the other leaders have gotten biographical articles. keito 22:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors need to be especially careful that when they create articles about other Wikipedians, that all of the is are dotted and ts are crossed when providing proof of notability. BTW, when you use the hangon tag, you're supposed to provide evidence of notability, not just request that the article not be deleted. Corvus cornix 22:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Is this evidence enough for you? keito 22:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it multiple third-party independent notable references? Corvus cornix 22:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

So, are you saying I need several independent references to prove he's been elected as the next project leader? If the signed announcement made to the developers' mailing list wasn't enough, will then Debian's own vote result pages also not enough to prove who they've elected? keito 22:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

A link to the project's website is a primary source, not a reliable one under WP:RS. And even if it were a valid source, it's only one, not multiple. Corvus cornix 22:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

"Primary sources are documents or people very close to the situation you are writing about. An eyewitness account of a traffic accident published in a newspaper, and the White House's summary of a president's speech are primary sources. Primary source material that has been published by a reliable source may be used for the purposes of attribution in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it's easy to misuse primary sources. The Bible cannot be used as a source for the claim that Jesus advocated eye removal (Matthew 18:9, Mark 9:47) for his followers, because theologians differ as to how these passages should be interpreted. Edits that rely on primary sources should only make descriptive claims that can be checked by anyone without specialist knowledge."

I am still unable to see this conflicting with the policy, there was made no claim requiring any specialist knowledge to check. keito 23:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

That primary source only proves that he has been elected as project leader. It still does not indicate how having done so makes him notable. And it's still only one, and you haven't provided a single third party reference. Corvus cornix 23:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

• I have removed the speedy deletion tag for the moment. However, the article badly needs reliable sources. If user Keito cannot find references to him in reliable sources in the next few days, it should be nominated again. This Google News Archive should provide some information. [1]

Some links:

• Google News: Sam Hocevar
• Debian gets new leader as Etch emerges
• Sam's Debian Platform
• Debian releases Etch
• Two Major Debian Releases In One Day
• Debian Project Leader Elections 2007
• DistroWatch Weekly

Perhaps some info could be included about his work on wikipedia. There may not be much content now, but as DPL he's certainly notable. Jebba 15:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced

I've added an unsourced tag to the article, since the sources are not reliable. Wikimedia, personal sites, the Debian site? There are no third party sources? Well, one, maybe, slashdot, but is that reliabe? Corvus cornix 17:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)