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:{{a note}} [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real|MFD]], [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive360#Ruda Real|AN discussion leading to the deletion]] [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 10:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
:{{a note}} [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real|MFD]], [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive360#Ruda Real|AN discussion leading to the deletion]] [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 10:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Overturn''' out-of-process deletion which is the most similar to a G6 but which circumvents the last deletion discussion which pertains to the page. The edit history of [[Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia]] in 2022 shows that there was significant disagreement about this and editors were removing and readding the entry, finally removed [[Special:Diff/1117974769|in this edit]] (see the earlier one for an actual rationale: [[Special:Diff/1117917942|diff]]). Whether this is a certifiable hoax or not can be decided in a new MfD. As an archived hoax page, it is a traditional and legitimate projectspace item, and needs to be discussed accordingly. If editors in the MfD can not agree that it is a hoax, and some substantively argue in good faith that is not a hoax, and it looks like 'no consensus' could be the outcome, the page should be deleted by default instead of kept. If editors roughly agree that it is a hoax after all, MfD should result in keeping.—[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 13:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Overturn''' out-of-process deletion which is the most similar to a G6 but which circumvents the last deletion discussion which pertains to the page. The edit history of [[Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia]] in 2022 shows that there was significant disagreement about this and editors were removing and readding the entry, finally removed [[Special:Diff/1117974769|in this edit]] (see the earlier one for an actual rationale: [[Special:Diff/1117917942|diff]]). Whether this is a certifiable hoax or not can be decided in a new MfD. As an archived hoax page, it is a traditional and legitimate projectspace item, and needs to be discussed accordingly. If editors in the MfD can not agree that it is a hoax, and some substantively argue in good faith that is not a hoax, and it looks like 'no consensus' could be the outcome, the page should be deleted by default instead of kept. If editors roughly agree that it is a hoax after all, MfD should result in keeping.—[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 13:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*:In other words, when such pages are discussed in MfD, the burden of deleting is on the nominator who must shake up the certainty of the page being a hoax. If multiple editors participating ''in that process'' (not commenting or edit warring somewhere else) no longer think that it's hoax, ''there should not have to be a consensus that the page is <u>not</u> a hoax'', but a lack of consensus that it is a hoax should cause the page to no longer be seen as a suitable hoax example that we want to use as a point-of-reference-for-a-hoax. But the arguments need to be made in the appropriate forum where they can be appropriately seen and countered. —[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 14:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 14:01, 31 March 2024
This was kept at MfD. Two years later an admin deleted it, asserting based on their own original research that it was not in fact a hoax. This is procedurally inappropriate as admins do not have the authority to unilaterally overrule deletion discussions and the page should be restored. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Overturn out-of-process deletion which is the most similar to a G6 but which circumvents the last deletion discussion which pertains to the page. The edit history of Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia in 2022 shows that there was significant disagreement about this and editors were removing and readding the entry, finally removed in this edit (see the earlier one for an actual rationale: diff). Whether this is a certifiable hoax or not can be decided in a new MfD. As an archived hoax page, it is a traditional and legitimate projectspace item, and needs to be discussed accordingly. If editors in the MfD can not agree that it is a hoax, and some substantively argue in good faith that is not a hoax, and it looks like 'no consensus' could be the outcome, the page should be deleted by default instead of kept. If editors roughly agree that it is a hoax after all, MfD should result in keeping.—Alalch E. 13:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- In other words, when such pages are discussed in MfD, the burden of deleting is on the nominator who must shake up the certainty of the page being a hoax. If multiple editors participating in that process (not commenting or edit warring somewhere else) no longer think that it's hoax, there should not have to be a consensus that the page is not a hoax, but a lack of consensus that it is a hoax should cause the page to no longer be seen as a suitable hoax example that we want to use as a point-of-reference-for-a-hoax. But the arguments need to be made in the appropriate forum where they can be appropriately seen and countered. —Alalch E. 14:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)