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Kostakidis edit Please see talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by DpcJupiter (talk • contribs) 22:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

how are self described communists not far left? because you're a marxist too?

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Yes I must remember to do that but it’s so easy to forget. Burrobert 13:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Eagleash: Thanks Eagleash. Signing just got a little more complicated. However, having it written on my talk page at least gives me a place to come to when in doubt.

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Vanessa Beeley

WP:DENY. GiantSnowman 07:46, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

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COPYVIO at 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis

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A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	The price of liberty is eternal bookmarking GPRamirez5 (talk) 05:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you GPRamirez5. You are very kind. Burrobert (talk) 08:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Moro in the body

I intend to look at the original and the translations and comment when I’m not mobile. Ping me if you haven’t heard anything in a couple of days. Thanks for your efforts st the Lula article. Mathglot (talk) 07:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. That would be helpful. I don't feel comfortable arguing my point too forcefully on the basis of a google translation. Burrobert (talk) 12:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

If you have questions on specific sentences or paragraphs, ask me anytime. Or I can translate a paragraph or two or three into English from time to time, if it's not whole articles. Mathglot (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia, as you did to MI5. Thank you. David J Johnson (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

The text comes from the Wikipedia page for Pat Finucane. Specifically it says "He was killed by loyalist paramilitaries from the Ulster Defence Association acting in collusion with the British government intelligence service MI5". Burrobert (talk) 13:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

77th Brigade

Hope you don't mind me dropping in here, but I noticed that you've edited the 77th Brigade article on numerous occasions, I wanted to add that they are currently working with the Cabinet Office Rapid Response Unit countering "disinformation" around Covid-19. I am quite new and I'm still a bit unsure about reliable sources. Could you please tell me whether the Metro and The National are ok, or not? Thank you. --DeltaSnowQueen (talk) 20:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello DeltaSnowQueen. It appears that The Metro is considered unreliable so avoid using that as a source. I was only able to find one previous discussion of The National (Scotland) which is available here [1]. The paper obviously has a bias but that does not preclude you from using it as a source. It may be best to attribute any claims it makes by saying, for example, "According to the The National, ... ". Burrobert (talk) 06:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Burrobert. I guessed the Metro would be dodgy. I'll have another look for potential sources and if I find anything I'll raise it on the article Talk Page before I edit. Thanks again. --DeltaSnowQueen (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Stalkerzone

I removed your reference to it from the talk page because the source is so clearly unreliable and conspiracy theory it should not be posted there. If you still disagree then let's open a case at WP:RSN. -- GreenC 13:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

German help?

Hey there -- a while back I paid to get some German professionally translated, but I'm worried that they may not have done a very good job. I'm wondering if you could help or could recommend someone? It's in relation to the Nils Menzler confusion I had awhile back. I'm thinking a lot of this is a bad translation, or could use some more cultural context. Any feedback would be appreciated. - Scarpy (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Good afternoon Scarpy. I don't speak German. Mathglot may be able to help you. His talk page says "This user is a translator from Deutsch to English on Wikipedia:Translation". The Wikipedia:Translation page may also be of interest to you. I did run your sentences through google translate to see what came out. The google translations are generally fairly close to your translations. However, here are some points where your translations may be able to be improved:

• One of the sentences is translated as "... a comprehensive explanation of the origin and functioning of the universe, something that physicists like Stephen Hawking long for in public books". I would expect that the original is more likely to mean something like "a comprehensive explanation of the origin and functioning of the universe, something that physicists like Stephen Hawking aim for in their public books".
• Another of your translations is "It also seems revealing that such a current paraphysical theory is based on the relatively new concept of unfolded information". I haven't heard of "unfolded information" and a search doesn't bring up anything useful. A more likely translation of that sentence is something like "It also seems revealing that such a current paraphysical theory is based on the relatively new concept of information". The theory of information is fairly recent, starting from Shannon's writings in the 1940's I think.
• Another of your translations is "His theory makes the God unavailable to physics obsolete". I think this is more likely to be something like "The view that God is unavailable to physics is made obsolete by his theory".

Burrobert (talk) 04:31, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Scarpy:, I got as far as Selbstinszenierung and then stopped, because that one is interesting (read, "hard").

German translation is hard; so much more than French or Spanish or other Romance languages. Fortunately, these sentences were short, with very standard syntax, unlike some written German, which can go on and on for days, before you get to the verb, and contain parentheses within parentheses within parentheses of embedded clauses, until you forgot what the subject was, by the time you finally do hit the verb. Anyway... While "Szene" can be "stage", and "selbst-" is definitely "self-", I'm not sure "self-staging" makes sense. I mean, does this make sense to you:

• Langan is an outsider scientist who draws attention to himself primarily through his self-staging.

It doesn't, to me. Or at least, I'd have to have a ton more context. A couple of things there, imply a slight criticism or negative judgment, like outsider and draws attention to himself, would you agree? In that case, if you take Selbstinszenierung which is (or can be) a neutral word, merely descriptive, and follow that slight negative spin on the rest of the sentence, then it might take you down the path, of one of these choices: self-promotion, self-exposure, self-aggrandizement, even making a spectacle of himself if the context indicates some serious "drawing attention to himself" or indicates some negative appraisals. Is Langen a psychologist? If so, there's a term from Carl Rogers, self-actualization, which wouldn't be very good as a direct translation in most cases, a better word for that wold be Selbstaktualisierung; however if that is the right domain, the author might be making a sly reference to Rogers, by way of choosing a German word like Selbstinszenierung that is kind of like it, instead of some other word. But that whole thread seems unlikely, since all the other sciences mentioned in that series are the hard sciences, like physics, so psychology seems like the wrong domain.

Sometimes a single word, can really make you think. The other sentences look okay to me. By the way, I rate myself "intermediate" (see the Category lists for Category:User de-N for native speakers if you want really deep analysis of a single word. If you want running translation into English, unless you can find someone who's double-native in de and en, you should pick someone whose native language is English (User en-N) and very high German (Category:User de-5). Good luck! The hard thing, is finding someone who's still editing (make sure to check their latest contributions before reaching out; I've sometimes gone through 20 or 30 editors, before finding someone who's edited anything in the last month or so). Don't want to waste your time sending out requests to people who quit editing in 2011. Mathglot (talk) 07:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Post-script: I just had a look at this discussion linked from your Talk subpage, and it leads to the account of someone who is embroiled in controversy right now. There is no taint by association, so you could just ignore it and carry on as before, but if this isn't something where time is of the essence, I would recommend you drop this for now, shift your attention to some other topic, and come back after some time has elapsed, if you're still interested. Just my 2 cents. Mathglot (talk) 08:13, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Mathglot thank you for this! I believe your advice here in the post-script is spot on. This topic could use some cooling off before approaching again. - Scarpy (talk) 10:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Pretty impressive

Hey! Just wanted to compliment you on your expansions to both Media Lens and Wilfred Burchett. The scale and quality of your work rocks. Jlevi (talk) 02:06, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Jlevi. It’s very gratifying to get feedback like that from another editor, especially one with your experience. Burrobert (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Glenn Greenwald on Castro

Hi.

What’s your take on Greenwald posting this: https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/802495984848736256?lang=en ?

Do you think he just reported the news or sympathetic? Kacziey (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll reply on Greenwald's page. Burrobert (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Skwarkbox and Canary

Hi, why can't Skawkbox and Canary be used as sources? Too partisan? GibbNotGibbs (talk) 19:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@GibbNotGibbs: The entries for The Canary and Swarwkbox at the Reliable/Perennial Source page provide a summary of previous discussions and include links to the full discussions. Editors regard both sources as biased, which is not surprising. A biased source can still be used but generally the statements must be attributed to the source. See, for example, the entries for The American Conservative and Arab News. The reason why we can't use either The Canary or Skwawkbox as a source is that they have been judged to be unreliable. The unreliability of Swarwkbox is due to it being self-published (like a blog). I'll let you read the discussion to work out why The Canary is considered unreliable. My own opinion, which you will see in the discussions, is that both are fine as sources with appropriate attribution. The editors who considered The Canary and Skwawkbox as unreliable provided two examples of errors, neither of which was significant in my opinion. Have a look and see what you think. Burrobert (talk) 12:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

So we're on the same thread

[2] I assume we're talking about Talk:Vanessa_Beeley#Tweet_inclusion_disagreement. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:11, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Talk page sections

Hi, Thank you so much for your observations on GA - I find that they're very helpful. Can I ask a favour? As you can see, this article has prompted a lot of talk and not everyone is constructive so we need to try to ensure discussions go well. One thing that would help is to make sure each talk section only covers one topic, as far as is practicable. So, WP:TALKSUBHEADING "Use separate subsection headings to discuss multiple changes" and WP:TALKHEADING "Make a new heading for a new topic". It might not seem necessary immediately but helps if discussions continue for any length of time, and also helps one find old discussions on an issue. I hope that is all right. Thanks again for your suggestions and comments! Jontel (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes that’s fine. I will try to stick to those principles. Burrobert (talk) 12:50, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Steven Donziger for GA?

Hello. I saw you're the main author of Steven Donziger. I think the article is close to GA quality. Can I tempt you to nominate it? I think it would make a very good WP:Did you know (fyi, an article promoted to good article status within the last seven days can be nominated for did you know). I fleshed out some of the pre-Chevron career. Probably the only two things that need to happen still is trying to find more information on his early life, and expanding the lead. FemkeMilene (talk) 08:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

That is excellent news Femkemilene. I would be happy to nominate the article. Should I try to remedy the two shortcomings that you mention prior to nomination? Burrobert (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please make the life of reviewers as easy as possible :). FemkeMilene (talk) 16:52, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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I have re-added the wikilink as I did not intend to remove it. See the article talk page for my comment on the correct use of boldface type. Burrobert (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

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Julian Assange as Journalist

Hi there. I thought I'd respond here to your request for an example of a journalist who has challenged Assange being described as a journalist. The one example that I'm aware of is journalist and now journalism academic Peter Greste, who published an opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald in April 2019 under the title 'Julian Assange is no journalist: don't confuse his arrest with press freedom'. Greste's argument. if i understand it correctly, is that Assange did not take care in selecting material to be posted online, but merely dumped documents indiscriminately online. There was no act of journalism as such. Now I should say that I believe that this assertion in contested by others. I suspect that Greste also would not like folk being described as citizen journalists. Greste is, I think, and again I could be wrong, coming from a position where journalism is or should be tightly defined as a profession. Hope that helps. Redaction101 (talk) 08:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Right-ho thanks for the reference. I vaguely remember reading the article at some stage but had forgotten about it. Peter Greste is notable so his opinion means something. Greste's argument seems to be the most common reason why people don't think Assange and Wikileaks do journalism. As you mentioned, his version of what Wikileaks does is contested, including during Assange's recent trial. There is also the existence of the "New York Times problem", which stopped the US prosecuting Assange during Obama's reign. You may have seen it mentioned on the talk page. It says that there is no legal distinction between what Assange does and what the New York Times does. I think it is unlikely that any consensus on this question will be achieved at Wikipedia for a while. I think the question of whether or not to consider Assange a journalist, either here or elsewhere, contains a political element because of the supposed protections (mainly in the US I think) that come from being a journalist. I know very little about the US constitution. Some people have said that journalism is protected under the free speech section of the First Amendment. I have also read that the protection applies to anyone who publishes and disseminates information. Under the latter interpretation, Assange is protected by the First Amendment irrespective of whether he is called a journalist or not. I suspect that some people would prefer not to use the term journalist for him in order to remove any possibility that he would receive this protection. The question of whether this protection applies would need to be argued in court but hopefully it doesn't get that far. If Assange is tried in the US, it will be in the infamous espionage court in the Eastern District of Virginia. There will be limits on the sort of defences that Assange can use and any jury will be chosen from a community that has a high proportion of intelligence services personnel, which is why the US chooses that district for its espionage cases. John Kiriakou, who was in the same court, said "No national security defendant has ever won a case in the EDVA. In my case, I asked Judge Brinkema to declassify 70 documents that I needed to defend myself. She denied all 70 documents. And so I had literally no defense for myself and was forced to take a plea". Burrobert (talk) 09:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Agree with you on the above, on a range of levels. The information about the Eastern District of Virginia is informative, and, if true, disturbing, as is so much about this saga. I will do some more reading. Overall, I agree that it's probably not worth pushing this point (whether he is a journalist) on this particular Wikipedia page - although it is a little weird that he should be awarded a recognized journalism prize and yet not considered a journalist. The article does say Assange is a publicist, which I suppose is close to a journalist, and which in any case, as you point out, would mean that he is probably protected by the First Amendment. I think you're also correct in that whether Assange is described as a journalist is also political, in that it relates to his entitlement to protection. This brings me to another observation, and this is how Wikipedia itself often becomes very political and very ideological. It's not hard to read through the Talk Page and see how that often editors have a particular barrow to push. I did read somewhere a Wikipedia policy saying that editors should not push an ideological viewpoint. I think that the anti-Assange editors are worse, but then again I would say this, and I happen to believe that he should not be in prison, so I too have a point of view. I suppose the thing is that if I were to actually edit such an important article as the Assange article, hopefully I would at least try to objective. Anyways, thanks for responding in such detail. Redaction101 (talk)

Just came upon this article which discusses the debate over whether Julian Assange is a journalist. The headline is that "The WikiLeaks arrest is about the journalism, not the journalist: The debate over whether Julian Assange is a journalist or not serves no purpose other than to undercut future press freedom". Here is a quote

To prioritise the status of “journalist” over “journalism” is to get it precisely arse-about. Journalism is a practice. You become a journalist by practicing journalism — digging out and spreading fact-based news, in all its glorious diversity. The practice of journalism has an important job to do: to provide the public with the information they need to exercise their own civil rights. For the authorities, it’s a con by states clamping down on freedom of speech: it’s not journalism, they say. It’s false news. It’s not licensed, not approved. Find any journalist detained around the world and you’ll find the detaining government — from Sisi’s Egypt to Suharto’s Indonesia — spruiking some variation or other of this “not a journalist” line.

Burrobert (talk) 11:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

References

What?

What has this to do with the RFC [[3]]?Slatersteven (talk) 09:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I think you forgot to sign. Burrobert (talk) 09:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Must have got removed during cut and paste.Slatersteven (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, easily done. Burrobert (talk) 09:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

San Isidro

Hello. Thanks for your edits on San Isidro Movement. Could you add another source or two for the US ties items? I ask because the article has been repeatedly edited in the past to include similar claims based on Youtube vloggers, or with no source at all. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 12:20, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes. I saw a New York Times article that mentions it as well. Burrobert (talk) 12:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Our hero

I see that you have now referred three times to Julian Assange as "our hero":

• Burrobert (talk) 02:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
• Burrobert (talk) 18:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
• Burrobert (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I assume you're using the royal "our" and not speaking for other editors. But please, is this meant to be sarcastic, or do you truly regard him as a hero? Either way, I wonder if you are hoping to influence other editors with this nomenclature. Basketcase2022 (talk) 02:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes I am well aware of my edit history. Editors can interpret the remark any way they want. Burrobert (talk) 04:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Question dodged. Basketcase2022 (talk) 04:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Trump administration vs WikiLeaks?

You know more about this subject than I do, so I'll ask you. Do you have any idea why Pompeo, who was part of the Trump administration, would turn against WikiLeaks, which had helped Trump so much? -- Valjean (talk) 15:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I won’t claim to be an expert, or even particularly well informed, about American politics. My thoughts below are based on rather limited readings in a few areas that intersect with Pompeo.

Pompeo is a political animal who will say anything that he thinks is politically expedient, even if it contradicts things he has said previously. I think is pointless to look for consistency in anything he says.

Pompeo cited Wikileaks in his tweets and media appearances to attack Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign. On 24 July 2016, he tweeted “Need further proof that the fix was in from Pres. Obama on down? BUSTED: 19,252 Emails from DNC Leaked by Wikileaks,”.

The change in Pompeo’s attitude to Assange and Wikileaks after the election was a lot more extreme than that of Trump, who merely lost interest in them. Wikileaks served Pompeo’s purposes while he was trying to bring down Hillary Clinton. There is an indication that his attitude may have started changing early in 2017. Soon after Pompeo was confirmed as CIA director in January 2017 he gave an explanation of the July 2016 tweet (and presumably also his other references to Wikileaks during the campaign) "Based on additional briefings and information, including the reports released by the Intelligence Community, I now have a much deeper understanding of Wikileaks and its harmful activities". This indicates that becoming CIA director required him to regard Wikileaks as a hostile entity. It came with the job.

Most opinion attributes the change in Pompeo’s attitude to the release of Vault 7 by Wikileaks in March 2017. Pompeo’s first public remarks as CIA director in April 2017 were mainly about what he saw as the threat of Wikileaks. The recent Yahoo report said Pompeo was seeking revenge on WikiLeaks and Assange and was "completely detached from reality because [he was] so embarrassed about Vault 7". There is also the "psychology of the individual" as Poirot often says. Pompeo is an unsubtle, aggressive bully who won't stand for being thwarted. "I was a CIA director, we lied, we cheated we stole ... like, we had entire training courses". When Vault 7 was released on his watch, he naturally went on the attack.

What do you think?

Burrobert (talk) 19:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks. -- Valjean (talk) 05:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Pompeo was head of CIA when the Vault 7 stuff started leaking. It could also be that the relationship between Trump and WikiLeaks was overplayed and overhyped in the media. (edit - opened this page and started typing before Burrobert responded). Mr Ernie (talk) 19:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

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I don't think many people are interested in reading alll the way through the Yahoo News Investigation section now, there is something about it in the article and one has got to ask oneself what is the point of adding to that if the extra is unlikely to contribute to the article. If you'd like to start a separate article on what was in the Yahoo article and led up to it you might be able to use it there. NadVolum (talk) 17:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your constructive suggestions Nad. Coverage of the Yahoo report is starting to drop off so there is unlikely to be much more to add for the moment. Nevertheless, a lot of interesting information has come from the report and subsequent developments. I don't intend to propose any changes to our current text and it is unlikely that an expansion would be approved by editors. A proper biography on Assange would, of course, go into a lot more detail on the assassination/kidnapping plans. There is another reason for documenting the Yahoo report’s coverage in the media. There is an active RfC on the talk page about whether the Yahoo report should be mentioned in the article and some editors do not think it is appropriate. As you probably know, the RfC arose from the talk page section "Yahoo News investigation". You make a valid point about creating a separate page to deal with US plans to assassinate, kidnap and spy on Assange. There has been enough coverage to justify a separate page and the comments from the talk page could be used as a starting point. There is a similar page about assassination attempts on Fidel Castro. Burrobert (talk) 06:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Brother Mule!

I've just made a great suggestion about the whole Assange kerfuffle. Please say you'll help!--Jack Upland (talk) 06:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

PS Are you really a Melbournian? Forgive my impertinence... Cos when I'm allowed to go to Melba I'd like to meet you for a coffee/beer/smashed avo. Anyway just a thought.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

PPS Has anyone seen Trump and Assange together in the same room? Jokes.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes Jack I am a resident of the great southern capital (no offence intended to Hobart). Curious as to how you worked that out. Or was it a speculative guess. Let me know when you are in town. Smashed avo is de rigeur here. Regarding your proposal, Julian's life and achievements are too big to confine to one page so there are many opportunities for content forks. Given the hundred or so references on the talk-page about US plans to kidnap/assassinate him, one possibility is "US intelligence operations against Julian Assange" (similar to the page on Fidel Castro). A page devoted to assessments would be fine as well. If we were allowed to have a page devoted to jokes about JA, we could add your quip about Trump to it. Let me know when you get it up and running and I will plough in. Burrobert (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I endorse both your suggestion to the hilt and beyond. Particularly the one on Fidel Castro. But we might need to say "Alleged...." I am indisposed to actually research at the moment due to failing eyesight, plumbing probs etc, but I will keep you in the loop, I trust.--Jack Upland (talk) 13:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I was surprised by your reference to "our Premier", which I took to be a reference to Chairman Dan and the Flinders Street Soviet. Etc. Melbourne is Macarthur's Capital, so it should hold no grudge against Sydney.--Jack Upland (talk) 13:44, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

PS I would also say that a "joak" is an assessment. But I don't have a WP: or a RS to back up this airy assertion. Yet.--Jack Upland (talk) 13:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your afflictions which sound as though they may be age-related. Good pick up on the reference to "our premier". May our glorious and exalted leader continue to protect and nourish us through these tempestuous times. The relationship with our northern neighbour is complicated. Some of us have relatives on the other side of the Murray so have to remain measured in our comments. You will need to explain your reference to Macarthur's Capital as I have not been able to track it down. Was "joak" a dig at Victorian pronunciations? Burrobert (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

During WW2, General Macarthur ran the war effort from Melbourne. No, I was not commenting on Victorian pronunciations. I can't tell the difference...--Jack Upland (talk) 07:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Please give a conclusion in your contribution to the RfC

In the RfC about whether to include Assanges involvement in the releae of the unredacted cables you did not specify *Include or Exclude or whether what you were writing was a comment with Comment. It looks like some people aretaking your list of smears as part of the reasoning in the introduction about the RfC rather than a digression and so dismissing the whole business as not a reliable source. Could you mark your contribution please so this confusion does not arise. NadVolum (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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I read the source prior to making the edit of course. The sentence is talking about " viewers who see mainstream ... ". The sentence is also saying that "the powerful Shiite militant group Hezbollah" is a close ally of "the regimes in Syria and Iran". There is no mention that "the channel's close ally in Lebanon is the Shiite group Hezbollah". Burrobert (talk) 14:40, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Feedback?

Hey Comrade Burro!

Salut! Can you give me some help with my new foray re Julian Assange?

I can't work out how to give you access to my sandbox...

Hopefully this will end the perennial debates re hacking, health etc...

Comrade J Jack Upland (talk) 18:38, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I have never used a sandbox comrade J. Had a quick look at the guide. Adding "left-curly-bracket left-curly-bracket My_sandbox right-curly-bracket right-curly-bracket" to the top of your talk page may point other users to it. Here "left-curly-bracket" = { and "right-curly-bracket" = }. Is this related to your idea of creating a shrine for the oz part of Julian's bio? Burrobert (talk) 04:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for all your edits to all the things Ive added recently, theyve really helped and the Talk has been good too Softlemonades (talk) 15:27, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

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I knew someone would change defense back to defence however you are inconsistent in usage. If you're going to do that every time the word is used it must be with a c. You can't use both.Extraordinary2 (talk) 08:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

This is about the Julian Assange page. I used a script to change the spelling to Oz spelling. Did I miss one of the misspellings? Burrobert (talk) 11:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Not sure, the word is used often. Extraordinary2 (talk) 20:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I see that you took out some parts of my edits to Owen Jones' wikipedia page earlier today. One thing I wish to particularly bring up is that you removed some parts of the quotes from the YouTube video as you noted they were not mentioned in the JC source. Those quotes can be found in other sources besides the YouTube video, and they are in the video, however they are only reported in newspapers like the Express. What do you think can be done about this? I feel the quotes you have taken out are very relevant to the case as he explicitly mentions seeing a woman burned alive with her knickers pulled down yet still opts to cast doubt on the possibility sexual crimes occurred, but I am also familiar with Wiki policy re: tabloids (even though in this case the tabloids correctly reported the quote; I have watched the video in full) Anonymous Observer1945 (talk) 13:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I didn't watch the YouTube video but assumed that was where the quote appeared. Afaict, YouTube videos can be used as sources but there are restrictions on their use since they are primary sources and self-published sources. Some relevant links are Wikipedia:External_links#Linking_to_user-submitted_video_sites, Wikipedia:Video_links, Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources, Wikipedia:External_links#Restrictions_on_linking, Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. As you noted, and as a number of editors stated on the talk page, the Express is not a suitable source. I don't doubt that the quote you included does appear in the YouTube video. Can I suggest that you include a timestamp for the content when you add a reference to a video. It will make it easier for other editors to verify the content. Regarding Hadley Freeman's article, I couldn't find where your text "dismissing the atrocities inflicted on Israeli civilians by Hamas" came from. She seems to be saying a number of things so I chose her initial comment about the video, assuming it was the most important to her. Anyway, we should have this conversation on Owen's talk page and I would be interested to see the opinions of other editors. Burrobert (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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thank you for you answer. wow, so it was implemented without community approval? as someone who's rather active on WPFR, this is completely unheard of for me. what does the community think about it? do you have an opinion about it? and is it common practice on WPEN for administrators to make such decisions without community approval? hoping my curiosity isn't overwhelming. GloBoy93 (talk) 11:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I have limited knowledge of the process and have not asked how others feel about the restrictions. I think there is a good reason to place these restrictions on contentious topics since they are most likely to attract interest from new users. The restriction helps ensure that new editors "learn the ropes" before editing in areas where arguments will arise. By the way, you may be interested to know that Wikipedia is not a democracy. There are a few other things that Wikipedia is not - have a read of the page. Regarding your edit that I removed, it would be worth asking someone on the article's talk page to include it in the article if appropriate. Wasn't it something to do with the group's logo? Burrobert (talk) 11:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)