Talk:Deaths in 2024

Deaths needing proper citation

Via thorough browsing of the 2024 deaths category, I’ve found the following are marked as deceased and needing of proper citation. Rusted AutoParts 13:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

• January 2 - Larry Sherrer, 74, American football player (Montreal Alouettes, BC Lions) and ophthalmologist.
• January 22 - János Toldi, 96, Hungarian Olympic sprint canoer
• January 25 - Rick France, 85, British speedway rider. (Death sourced on his page by Facebook)
• March - Tommy Duncan, 87, Scottish footballer (Death sourced on his page by Twitter)
• April 14 - Blackie Wangerin, 89, American racecar driver.
• April 15 - Eugene Wolfgramm, a.k.a. Gene Hunt, 56, American singer (The Jets)

Olympedia

Cases like Toldi's is why I wish Olympedia didn't have to cease operations. Rusted AutoParts 04:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: Clarify? I can't find any news outlet (or the site itself) which says it is ceasing operations? Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

In their Feedback tab, they state as of January 1, 2024 the site wouldn't be updated. I had only stumbled onto it myself a few weeks into 2024 as I'd been looking periodically to see if any new names would be added on their list, but so much time went by. Eventually I found one of the founders on Twitter stating "our contract with the IOC is not being renewed. The OlyMADMen will no longer update Olympedia after today, 29 Dec. We do not know if the IOC will continue to keep Olympedia online, but we do not expect them to update it." A very frustrating loss of a resource for sure. Same with Pro Football Archives being shut down around the same time. Rusted AutoParts 02:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I wondered why death details seemed to dry up not too long ago. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Translating or not translating titles

Just what makes it inappropriate to translate the title of an Irish parliamentarian into English when any Norwegian Stortingsmedlem or Austrian in the Nationalrat (for example) is rendered as "MP" without batting an eyelash?...and just where is the semantic distinction between a "deputy" and other forms of "representative" or "councillor"?71.105.190.227 (talk) 15:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

As stated in this edit summary, we use the preferred national title, as designated for Irish assemblymen (see the lead there), just like their upper house members are "senators". The Storting (and Bangladeshis) has no such abbreviated designation and are therefore called "MPs", due to it being the supreme legislature. Does that help? Wyliepedia @ 08:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

My message was a reaction to that edit summary, which appeared to be designating the Irish as a special case.

I have also seen edit summaries stating that Country X does not have MPs but deputies.

It seems confusing (in the latter case it would often be a translation to English and in the former it is not, as well).71.105.190.227 (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes the title MP is too often used when in a particular country it is easily translatable (or popular, or institutional) the office of legislator as "deputy", "congressman/congresswoman" or "teachta dála". Or even "member of the Storting", which is not particularly long, since often when adding legislators from a US state there is no problem in adding, for example, "member of the Idaho House of Representatives". "MP" is more commonly used in the Anglo-Saxon parliamentary system and should not necessarily be used in a generic way. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It's also a bit of an editor's personal preference to abbreviate understood offices, in addition to reducing page load times towards the end of months where we have upwards of 700 entries. As a visitor, I would much rather see a linked MP abbreviation than "member of a lengthy government office". Wyliepedia @ 02:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

As I hover these abbreviated links (on computer), I get a tooltip pop-up which invariably tells me what the full title is. So easy, at least with a PC. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Cole Brings Plenty

Why is Cole even on this page? He isn't a celebrity or any sort of significant individual!? Doesn't even have a Wikipedia page. Cflisthebest (talk) 21:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

His death is widely reported by reliable sources [2][3][4][5][6]. An independent biographic article based on these and no further coverage would be inappropiate, but certainly not its mention in an article dedicated to notable deaths. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 21:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

We usually list redirects that have been created, either upon an entry's death or long before. His notability can be discussed elsewhere. As for his entry here, per the FAQ above, he will be removed in due time, if his article isn't expanded. Wyliepedia @ 23:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, the existence of his redirect means he should be given the one month leeway for an article to be written. Ref ^(chew)(do) 00:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

O. J. Simpson

Why are we ignoring the elephant in the room? Even if you just say he was acquitted, that's not nothing. This just feels like whitewashing to me. PF4Eva (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I was wondering if there was a way to incorporate...that...into his entry here, if it's even possible/appropriate to do so. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

In a couple of places where I wanted to address the elephant in the room without risking any legal liability, I referred to him as the author of If I Did It. AndyENy (talk) 01:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Elephants have no place in this room, if it's not proven they trampled over anything. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Might a suitable approach be to add 'subject of a notable trial' or similar? That way, the fact of the trial taking place is recorded, without straying into the question of how the outcome of it should be described. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

But why - to what end? To taint the subject of the entry where it's not justified? Ref ^(chew)(do) 00:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I should've thought the answer was obvious - a major element of his notability derives from the trial; indeed outside the US, it would probably be the only thing he's known for. The trial having taken place is not in dispute, and I very deliberately suggested a form of words which is limited exlusively to recording that fact. This could in no conceivable way 'taint' anyone or anything.217.155.59.206 (talk) 13:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

War Chant, really?

Is it really necessary to include a race horse in the list? This is supposed to be for famous people, and horses don’t count, as far as I’m aware. 95.168.105.35 (talk) 13:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Anonymous, yes really. There are non-homo sapiens who are the subject of wikipedia articles. The date of death seems relevant. DarkStarHarry (talk) 14:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

This list has included notable animals for many years. It's not as if this is the first entry over that time, and the subject has been debated on talk pages regularly. So much so that the onus is now on those who don't believe they should be included to start a formal discussion here and change the consensus from yea to nay (or is that "neigh"?). Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I was beginning to wonder when the first thread about “non humans listed? Really?” Of 2024 would be. Rusted AutoParts 19:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

"As far as I'm aware" are the key words. Read the fourth FAQ above and learn. Editrite! (talk) 05:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Junior Pope

There seems to be a minor discrepancy - Junior Pope is listed on this page as having died April 11, but his bio page says he died April 10. 96.244.140.213 (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)