Talk:Democratic Bulgaria

Neither DB nor the Bulgarian Greens has never been represented in the European Greens parliamentary group. The only representation ever is one MEP in EPP. The affiliation of members in the coalition is not representation. 89.25.21.237 (talk) 08:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

No longer exists as a separate coalition

DB is not a separate entity anymore, since all three parties are in another alliance. Shouldn't the page reflect this by using past tense everywhere and removing any mention for participation in 2023 and "national affiliation"? Maybe "succeeded by PP-DB" (the way it is on the pages for the Blue Coalition and Reformist Bloc) or "merged into PP-DB" reflects the situation better. Nikolay4101 (talk) 22:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Nikolay4101 Considering how little DB's relevance has become, it would seem to make sense to turn DB into a past tense article. Any thoughts @Braganza @Tnvsjk2013 @Semka7a @PLATEL
Quinby (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

The DB exists to this day as its social media and leaders are actively promoting it as an existing alliance. Saying that is irrelevant because its national affiliation is PP-DB would make PP irrelevant too. Jorkdkskakaksjjsk (talk) 20:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jorkdkskakaksjjsk There are politicians that still use the DB branding and logo, because it is recognisable and familiar and it's also part of the PP-DB logo (which appears to be a combination of PP and DB logos for similar reasons).

Please explain why DB exists when all its member parties have joined another alliance. The same logic applies to PP (the electoral alliance), it ceased to exist when all its member parties (PP, Volt, SEK) separately chose to join PP-DB. In the same way DB ceased to exist when all its member parties (DSB, DaB, ZD) separately deecided to join PP-DB, thus making PP-DB an electoral alliance consisting of PP (party), DSB, DaB and others. In fact this is how the alliance is listed by the Central Electoral Commission - as a list of parties and not as a list of the coalitions those parties formerly made up. Nikolay4101 (talk) 11:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

It is an existing alliance an it functions perfectly as an alliance within another (PP-DB) alliance, just like it did prior to the Green Movement leaving. Hristo Ivanov and Atanas Atanasov still refer to themselves as the leaders of Democratic Bulgaria. Ivanov has even proposed the idea of a common DB leadership apparatus, consisting of DaB! and DSB members.<ref>https://m.dnevnik.bg/politika/2023/12/02/4561177_da_bulgariia_poema_kurs_kum_odesniavane_iska/<ref> Jorkdkskakaksjjsk (talk) 21:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jorkdkskakaksjjsk Politicians may say and propose anything they want, however which coalitions contest in the election and who their member paries are is decided by the Central Electoral Commission.

An Electoral alliance is an association of political parties or individuals, not other electoral alliances. Nikolay4101 (talk) 05:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Then why didn’t you edit the page in April 2023, back when Democratic Bulgaria first joined PP-DB? DB is and remains an alliance of two parties. Jorkdkskakaksjjsk (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jorkdkskakaksjjsk My original comment at the top of this thread is from April 2023 but I waited to see if people would object and get a discussion going. And again, an electoral alliance can't exist within another one, since an electoral alliance by definition consists of member parties, not "member alliances". Nikolay4101 (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)