Talk:Netherlands

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2023

The country's name is not "Netherlands", but "The Netherlands". The name of the entry should be "The Netherlands" and every time it is mentioned it should say "The Netherlands". Thank you. Sidolanters86 (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

It does have "the Netherlands" in most places. It doesn't when it's giving the origin of the word "Netherlands", which makes sense, and it doesn't in phrases like "Clovis I had conquered and united all these territories in the southern Netherlands" or "modern day Netherlands"—surely you don't think it should say "... in the southern The Netherlands" or "modern day the Netherlands". If what's you're referring to is that the "the" isn't capitalized, that's because Wikipedia style says not to in any case where the name of something starts with "the", whether it's the Bahamas, the New York Times ("The New York Times" is the title), etc. See MOS:THECAPS, MOS:THEINST. Largoplazo (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I missed that you were talking about the article's very title. Regarding that, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name). (I'll just comment here that it's odd to me that anyone would be concerned about whether the "The" is included in the name of the country in English given that in Dutch the name is singular and is never prefixed with the definite article.) Largoplazo (talk) 19:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Given this is also a request for renaming the page, I wanted to share the link to WP:MOVEREQ, where you can find the process for requesting that a page be renamed moved, which is how we refer to renaming a page here. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 19:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I think you meant "request that a page be moved, which is how we refer to renaming a page here". Largoplazo (talk) 20:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Woops! Yes, you are correct. This is what happens when I rewrite something to try and make it less jargon-y for an apparently-new user. --Pinchme123 (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

The country's name is NEDERLAND - no plural and no definite article. The English name should be NETHERLAND but for some reason everyone keep incorrectly making the country name plural and adding the definite article. Marlarkey (talk) 12:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not incorrect to call it The Netherlands in English. That's what it's called. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The country's name is KONINKRIJK DER NEDERLANDEN, literally KINGDOM OF-THE [genitive] NETHERLANDS. Plural with the definite article. Why and when the Dutch began referring to the country informally in the singular and without the definite article I don't know, but English and other languages (Spanish los Países Bajos, French les Pays-Bas) didn't make up the use of the plural with the definite article by themselves. Largoplazo (talk) 19:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The country's common name is "Netherlands". Sidolanters86 is clearly confused about the "Netherlands". The name has been debated many times in the past. The consensual decision and rationale can be found in the archives. gidonb (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. The 't' in 'the' should not be capitalized. Compare to 'the US'. Thayts ••• 16:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely! In terms of capitalization, the same rules apply to the "Netherlands", the "United States", the "United Kingdom", and the "Philippines"! gidonb (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Merge

Why not merge this with Kingdom of the Netherlands?

There isn’t a separate article for mainland USA or Australia. 91.195.200.22 (talk) 13:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Mainland US and mainland Australia aren't distinct political entities. The Netherlands is one, having its own government and sitting alongside Aruba, Curaçao, and Sint Maarten in the Kingdom. The Netherlands isn't just the European mainland anyway. It includes Bonaire, St. Eustatius, and Saba. Largoplazo (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Mainland Australia, Contiguous United States. CMD (talk) 18:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

LOL, I'd accepted the premise as given. But even if those articles didn't exist, I stand by my observations. Largoplazo (talk) 18:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024

Netherland is now the 33d country with the most density, not the 16th. Negar Ebrahimi (talk) 10:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done I updated all mentions of 16th to 33rd, and also changed the European population density rank from 5th to 6th. Thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2024

I would like to change the following

In January 2020, the Dutch government officially dropped its support of the word Holland for the whole country.

to

Starting in 2019, the Dutch government officially prefers the Netherlands instead of Holland when talking about the country.

One reason for this rewrite is that the old claim that the government "dropped support" is false. https://holland.com still exists and mostly mentions "the Netherlands", but also has some articles referring to "Holland". Overall, I think it's therefore more reasonable to say that the government now "officially prefers". Rkhu (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Done: Your phrasing sounds better than what was in the article IMO, with a few small changes. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 22:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Question: which of the sources that you cited says that the Dutch government officially prefers..? M.Bitton (talk) 23:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Music Section

I can appreciate examples of Dutch musicians of various styles, but it's reading a bit like a list of musicians without adding anything to the article. I think maybe just including a link to a List of Dutch musicians at the start of the section and maybe just the top 2 or 3 most well-known or popular bands after each genre would make it cleaner. Lindsey40186 (talk) 14:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Should drop name spam....Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries#Sections " Caution should be taken to ensure that the sections are not simply a listing of names or mini biographies of individuals accomplishments." Good example Canada#Music. Moxy🍁 18:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Lopsided wording "inventiveness" and food exports

From the intro: "Nevertheless, it is the world's second-largest exporter of food and agricultural products by value, owing to its fertile soil, mild climate, intensive agriculture, and inventiveness". "inventiveness" is neither scientific, nor objective, nor neutral. I understand the intent looking at the source, but something like "innovative agricultural practice" or something would probably be a bit more serious than that word which really sounds like a value judgement. I'm also wondering if we shouldn't add the consequence (stikstof - nitrogen crisis) of the intensive agriculture but I'd let the experienced users be the judge. 89.207.171.120 (talk) 06:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The whole sentence is wrong. A country can have fertile soil, a mild climate, intensive agriculture, and "inventiveness" and feed only itself, let alone be the second-largest exporter. And assuming those qualities lead necessarily to being an exporter, how does it necessarily follow from them that it will be precisely the second largest, as the wording implies? Finally, what does "second-largest ... by value" mean? By what value? Measured how? I have no idea! Largoplazo (talk) 10:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Geert Wilders is not prime minister

Geert Wilders is incorrectly named prime minister of the Netherlands. Current outgoing prime minister is Mark Rutte. Even though Geert Wilder’s party won last election, he will not be prime minister as agreed with the other three forming parties. Succeeding prime minister after last election is not decided yet. 87.212.254.148 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)