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May 22

06:31, 22 May 2024 review of submission by 2402:E000:51D:C1D3:0:0:0:1

• 2402:E000:51D:C1D3:0:0:0:1 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Umarjaum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have citation added. 2402:E000:51D:C1D3:0:0:0:1 (talk) 06:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

This draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further.

In the future, it would great if the citations you add actually supported something in the draft, or even just were in any way related to it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I've had a look at the draft, the deleted page and other parts.

Unfortunately, I can't see the rules around if someone is notable enough for an article being met here on the current sources avaliable online. Sorry. Mdann52 (talk) 07:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

11:15, 22 May 2024 review of submission by Editorharpsweetrolls

• Editorharpsweetrolls (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Deepankaj Poonia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i have sources only imdb and knowledge panel google, and two articles on medium about him, i have less sources, but whatever i provided is genuine. also he is new actor so that he don't have many articles about him. now tell me how i can give more info about him when i have this much info only, but his name is mentioned in ole aale cast on wikipedia. kindly request you to approve article . all information is valid and genuine. and if this article approve , more info about him get updated by the time, currently article need to approve . Editorharpsweetrolls (talk) 11:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Editorharpsweetrolls we cannot cite IMDb, as it is user-generated. (see WP:IMDB for more info) We also cannot cite Medium, as it is a blog-hosting service. The draft needs more sources about Poonia himself, not just the movies he acted in, especially when it's a small role like 'Guest'. (see WP:NACTOR) Nothing 'needs' to be accepted. This isn't a race. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

What is acceptable?? 49.36.111.50 (talk) 11:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Drafts that meet notability guidelines. Also, please log in when editing. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Editorharpsweetrolls: Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):

• We can't use https://www.gadgets360.com/entertainment/ole-aale-movie-123077 (too sparse). Content-free profile.
• We can't use Medium (no editorial oversight).
• We can't use https://cultcritic.co/boxoffice/people/582255/deepankaj-poonia (too sparse). Content-free profile.
• We can't use IMDb (no editorial oversight).
• We can't use https://rangmarathi.com/tag/ole-aale-movie-poster/ (too sparse). Too short to cite.
• https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/marathi/movie-reviews/ole-aale/movie-review/106578732.cms is a non-sequitur. Coverage of a creative's works does not equal coverage of the creative themselves. The Times of India is also a questionable source, especially as regards entertainment.
• We can't use https://safariplus.co.in/ole-aale-unveils-the-majestic-beauty-of-chopta-uttarakhand (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this?

We literally can use none of your sources. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

This sounds like WP:TOOSOON. ColinFine (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

18:31, 22 May 2024 review of submission by Ljefhejlwfhewl

• Ljefhejlwfhewl (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Levi Tree-Von Dronsma (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

how do i make it better Ljefhejlwfhewl (talk) 18:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ljefhejlwfhewl: Give me one reason not to tag this draft as WP:G3 right now. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

19:30, 22 May 2024 review of submission by Alearzrsm

• Alearzrsm (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Hybrid Practice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have seen my draft declined for the Hybrid Practice band, but I have added a lot of information especially taken from the Encyclopedia Metallum Music Archive online. Furthermore, I am the founder of the band itself, so I can clarify further things if you need to know. Please let me know what to do. Alearzrsm (talk) 19:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Alearzrsm, as the founder of the band, you have a glaring conflict of interest. You must make the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. Encyclopaedia Metallum consists of user-contributed content and is not a reliable source on Wikipedia. Vast swathes of your draft are unreferenced, which violates the core content policy of Verifiability. Your other references are not independent. The repeated red links are bizarre, distracting and unnecessary. Your draft fails to make the case that this is a notable band. Cullen328 (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Alearzrsm. Like many new editors, you have plunged straight into the challenging task of creating a new article without first acquiring the necessary skills - this is likely to lead to a great deal of frustration for you and others.

I always recommend new editors to spend (at least) several weeks making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before even trying this. Once you have understood fundamental principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, then is the time to read your first article and try it - not before.

The fact that you are the founder makes it even harder to write an article - the thing to remember is that not one thing that you or your colleagues say or want to say about the band is relevant to the article, unless it has also been said by somebody completely unconnected with you (and not quoting you) and published in a reliable source; and that not one thing that you know about the band should go in the article, unless it has been published in a reliable source.

Basically, you will need to find several sources completely independent of you and the band, which contain enough material about the band to base an article on; and then you will need to forget everything you know about the band, and write a summary of those sources. Do you see why it is difficult to write with a conflict of interest? ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

May 23

00:07, 23 May 2024 review of submission by OhHaiMark

• OhHaiMark (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:The Honeyman and the Hunter (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Does this draft need anything before I submit it for review? OhHaiMark (talk) 00:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@OhHaiMark: you need to show that the book is notable, either by WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK, and a single source is not enough for that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

00:26, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Sargunajames

• Sargunajames (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Sarguna James hems (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need to be in Wikipedia so please accept my request even my profile in imdb please accept Sargunajames (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sargunajames we don't have profiles here, only articles about notable topics. Your draft does not meet our notability guidelines for people; it's a promotional draft about yourself. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

05:02, 23 May 2024 review of submission by ArtAfg

• ArtAfg (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Ali orokzai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The page keeps being declined due to concerns about the reliability of the sources. The sources include Voice of America, BBC, and Afghan channels. Please review. ArtAfg (talk) 05:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArtAfg: we don't normally provide on-demand reviews here at the help desk. However, this was such an obvious decline that I've just done that. You need to cite your sources inline, not just pile a bunch of external links in the 'References' section; see WP:REFB and WP:ILC for advice.

Please also remove all inline external links, and the excessive ones from the 'External links' section, as these are not compliant with WP:EL. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArtAfg: As I noted when I declined the draft, the majority of the sources appear to be articles written by the subject. They only indicate that the subject is a working journalist, not necessarily a notable one. The references need to by WP:RELIABLE media, but they also must be about Mr. Orokzai and must be intellectually independent from him. • Gene93k (talk) 15:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

11:52, 23 May 2024 review of submission by PslyKittenNameGame

• PslyKittenNameGame (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:8-Point Star (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What if this is new information that has not previously been cited in historical literature that can be translated? Some of this is ancient information passed verbally, written in Sanskrit, and hieroglyphics PslyKittenNameGame (talk) 11:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@PslyKittenNameGame: Wikipedia does not publish "new information". This is covered in the policy on orginal research. Specifically, "On Wikipedia, original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists.To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented.". So, if the "new information" has not been cited in literature, you cannot include it in an article. MarcGarver (talk) 11:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

15:02, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Gothicheights65

• Gothicheights65 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Dehradun Basmati Rice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can I get help from someone in improving the article quality? Gothicheights65 (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gothicheights65: you need to be more specific – what help do you need? In any case, you've resubmitted this draft, so you will get feedback on it sooner or later, once a reviewer gets around to assessing it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gothicheights65: Be warned this draft falls into multiple contentious topics (Indian Subcontinent, genetically-modified organisms). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

17:05, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Takeru Watanabe

• Takeru Watanabe (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Anja Utler (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The English article about Anja Utler has been added at wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q551311) but it still can't be seen in the English article that there is also a German article. Why is that? Thank you for your help. Takeru Watanabe (talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Takeru Watanabe: the English and German articles are now linked. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Takeru Watanabe (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't link them, they were already linked when I went to take a look. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Then thanks anyway for looking. :-) Takeru Watanabe (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

18:01, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Glasgowsouthwest

• Glasgowsouthwest (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Dr Zubir Ahmed (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This page was rejected, Zubir is likely to become the next MP for Glasgow South West, based on every poll. I disagree with the findings of the reviewer Glasgowsouthwest (talk) 18:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Glasgowsouthwest: okay, if that were to happen, then in 6 weeks' time he would be automatically presumed notable per WP:NPOL. Until then, he will have to satisfy the WP:GNG criteria. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Also take a read through Wikipedia:Crystalball McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

19:51, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Valuenyc

• Valuenyc (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Felix Albrecht Harta (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Only a few hours ago, I requested help DELETING this page in order to allow someone else's newer draft to be considered. As I explained in my proposed deletion, he is being held up by the existence of this earlier draft. @GB fan: deleted my PROD saying it is not used in Draft space. This is something I feared, but I did hope for some direction about how to get rid of this thing. Minutes later, @Theroadislong: finally declined my draft. This is fine (really, a welcome development after about 6 weeks while someone else has developed something more substantial), but I'm still at a bit of a loss. How do I get this declined draft out of the way of someone who wants to get his new draft considered? It _does_ appear that there are now two drafts in the queue on this subject, but I can't speak with authority. So I'll repeat a central question: Should the person taking this project over just paste his new draft over my old submission? Will that provoke a new review? Or do we have to delete this draft page in order to get a new draft considered? and if so, how? Please accept apologies for creating complications, but I'm trying to set it right. I will be very grateful for any direction here. Valuenyc (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Valuenyc, Where is the second draft? ~ GB fan 20:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Valuenyc the declined draft is not in the way 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Continuing to apologize .... Before I posted the PROD, my successor author (@Mightythos77:) received a rejection saying "This appears to be a duplicate of another submission, Felix Albrecht Harta, which is also waiting to be reviewed. To save time we will consider the other submission and not this one." This is dated 18:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

Then as I said, in quick succession after I posted my PROD dated 15:44 on May 23, @GB fan: deleted my PROD and @Theroadislong: rejected my draft. So, trying to keep it simple here, is @Timtrent: saying that only Mightythos77's draft is now in the queue for review? or it is not? Since mine is still displaying in DRAFT space, is mine still occupying space in the queue? and his also in the queue for review?

@GB fan: and @Timtrent: : Many thanks for taking the time to try to sort thru this. I appreciate it very much. Valuenyc (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Valuenyc Do not tag team with your nephew. That is meat puppetry. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: If my response is not 100% on point, it is only because I do not entirely understand your post. If I understand meatpuppetry as explained on the page you linked, you're simply way off. Neither of us is promoting one side of a dispute or another, let alone causing "disruption" on wikipedia, with two drafts relatively hidden from view of the vast majority of users. What dispute would we talking about anyway? There is none.

I intended to suggest that @Mightythos77: simply paste his text over mine, leaving one draft in the queue and leaving me out of the picture. I still have no idea whether that was, indeed, the correct way to go, and so far, this Help desk hasn't illuminated much. But that question has become moot since he submitted before I knew about it. Such mis- and cross-communication happens between ordinary mortals.

I appreciate your comment that my draft is "not in the way" and I have finally found the second/later draft in the queue. Given the message Mightythos77 first received however, it was not an unreasonable question.

But I'm even more lost about what "tag-teaming" even means. I can only respectfully point out that this inquiry began with my attempt to simply delete my draft, thus extracting myself from a behind-the-scenes process on wikipedia. Just what are you referring to with tag-teaming? two users inadvertently submitting drafts on the same topic? or two users inquiring about status?

We have both apologized if ignorance has led to some redundancy or mis-guided questions. But accusations like meatpuppetery and tag-teaming are unwarranted. Valuenyc (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

What is your actual question, @Valuenyc? Can you précis in a sentence or two, rather than writing War & Peace? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Valuenyc This encyclopaedia has a wonderful resource. Tag team is explained. Here, two related users working in the same draft. But you have explained that satisfactorily. I skimmed your tl;dr screed, but what is your question, please. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Answers emerged from the fog. No need for further discussion here. Valuenyc (talk) 16:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

21:39, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Jrodriguezrentas

• Jrodriguezrentas (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Robert W. Amler (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can someone please look at the new draft posted? Jrodriguezrentas (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jrodriguezrentas I looked at it. I have seen that it has been rejected and thus will not proceed further. You may query this with the reviewer who rejected it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jrodriguezrentas Please don't ask me to look at it again and you have in a perplexing message non my user talk page. It is S0091 who rejected it, and is to them you must appeal if you wish them to change their rejection. You need to make the approach. I have not pinged them. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

May 24

02:03, 24 May 2024 review of submission by Globeltime

• Globeltime (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • User:Globeltime/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

hey i re edited again this. Pls, tell me it's ok or not. Thankyou, Have a nice day. Globeltime (talk) 02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Globeltime: no, it most certainly is not okay, far from it. Most of your alleged references aren't references, they're just external links piled in the 'References' section. None of your sources are reliable, apart from maybe the last one, which is also useless as it supports nothing in this draft. Please see WP:REFB for advice on referencing, and WP:GNG for the standard that your sources must meet. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Globeltime, you wrote raised by honest teacher parents in a tiny apartment. In his 11 years as a student, he received many awards from local schools How do you know that? How can the reader verify that? What is your relationship with this person? Cullen328 (talk) 06:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

In 2004 to 2016, Myanmar local school dose not used social media, or newspaper event. cause local school are poor. But I have aa soft copy of certificate these many awards. and I know him. He is my neighbor. We live government tiny apartment. . Globeltime (talk) 11:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Globeltime, please read No original research. Things you know through your own personal experience are not permitted on Wikipedia. Your have a conflict of interest about people who you know personally. Cullen328 (talk) 16:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

08:58, 24 May 2024 review of submission by 82.46.123.194

• 82.46.123.194 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Pact Coffee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there,

Could you please let me know what we can do to get this published? I strongly disagree with the lack of notability point - we've included independent sources from household-name publications, like the Telegraph, The Guardian, and The Grocer. None of these are paid articles, and those listed by our competitor, Union Hand-Roasted Coffee, are less independent and 'notable'.

We've done everything according to the feedback of your moderators, and this is now nothing like an advertisement.

For full transparency, I work for Pact Coffee, but the initial submission was done by an independent writer, and this has been cleaned up by your business team - we just want to get this over the line.

Happy to work with you if you feel anything else needs clearing up - we just believe this to be unfair in the spirit of competitive business when our competitor is being held by far less strict standards. 82.46.123.194 (talk) 08:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

As this draft has been rejected, if you wish to appeal the rejection you should in the first instance approach the rejecting reviewer directly.

You may wish to read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS before making your appeal, so that you don't rely too much on the arguments refuted in that.

Who is "we" in your message?

And finally, are you Asmith1990 (who has made a paid-editing disclosure)? If so, please log into your account whenever editing. (And if you're not Asmith1990, then have you made a similar disclosure?) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

11:49, 24 May 2024 review of submission by Ejaz-Booni

• Ejaz-Booni (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Forum for Language Initiatives (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am the employee of this organization, my article about this organization is declined citing I had not enough resources, my question, what I kind of sources, reference I need to put in, in the scenario when I am writing this on behalf of that organization? Ejaz-Booni (talk) 11:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ejaz-Booni As an employee you must declare this under the terms of WP:PAID. I am about to leave instructions on your talk page assuming someone has not already done so. The reviewer perhaps ought to have added to their review:

"We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today."

This you now have the information you need. This is a volunteer project. Since you are an employee you are paid for the time you take to research what you need. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ejaz-Booni I just  Declined this draft. You have work to do. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

13:53, 24 May 2024 review of submission by WikiSchlomo-08

• WikiSchlomo-08 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Hypatia (antivirus software) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for your input and attention, Mr. Marcus.

I didn't understand the specific reason why my article was declined, as the explanation was a bit generalized and ambiguous. Was it because it was too short?

I look forward to hearing from you and working together to find a solution for the publication of my article.

Thank you so much, sir. WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@WikiSchlomo-08 I'm not Mr. Marcus, but I suppose I'll answer anyway. The draft was declined for not meeting notability guidelines. Out of the 3 sources, 2 are from the company's website, and 1 is the software's docs. None of these sources can be used to establish notability. The draft needs independent, reliable sources that have significant coverage on the subject. And, after doing a quick Google search, no such sources were found. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, as CanonNi put it, those are the reasons for my declination. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 14:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Sir for your reply!

If possible, I would love to obtain the help of both of you to correct my article (with the aim of finding a solution for a future publication of the article).

Looking forward to hear from you again WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your Clarification Mr.CanonNi!

So, what would you suggest in order to solve the issue?

This Software is not very famous (because it is the first and only FOSS Android that was ever created, and it is only downloaded through F-droid).

I don't have much time to check it today... But so far, the only strong reputable sources I could find beyond F-droid (which is the Software Repository I did include), are:

1)Medium

https://medium.com/@xenovandestra/free-open-source-anti-virus-anti-malware-software-apps-for-android-os-4b2ca310d91c

2)Techno360

https://www.techno360.in/hypatia-free-open-source-malware-scanner-android/

3) Codeberg

https://codeberg.org/divested-mobile/hypatia

4)FossDroid

https://fossdroid.com/a/hypatia.html

5)Alternativeto

https://alternativeto.net/software/hypatia-malware-scanner/about/

How many legitimate sources should be required to make a publication? There a minimum amount? WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 15:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

first and only FOSS Android antimalware* WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@WikiSchlomo-08 we need to see at least three solid sources that squarely meet the WP:GNG standard. None of the ones you've listed here could be described as solid by any stretch of definition. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing the standards.

I did read it, and most of the sources seem to fail in the "Independent of the subject" parameter, as many of the listed sources either share the software or are its creators.

However, I did notice a source that I don't understand why it isn't considered "Solid"... Medium.com is a large and reputable news magazine with millions of viewers, and I believe it meets the criteria listed.

Although it is just one reputable source (two are still needed). WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I check again, and I also believe Techno360 meets the criteria (however, one is still needed - and I need some time to look better on internet) WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 15:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Checked* WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 15:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

You need to check that each one of your sources passes the triple criterion of reliable, independent, and significant coverage, as explained in golden rule.

Then, you need to forget everything you know about the subject, and write a neutral summary of what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 20:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion!

Regarding the material I did write, there was any part that did seem a bit biased? If there was, I appreciate your constructive criticism to point me that out (because that will help me to improve the work already done - and possibly to make a better work in future publications).

Please, I appreciate any help you could provide :) WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@WikiSchlomo-08: Medium is just a self-publishing platform, effectively a glorified blogging site, and is not considered reliable in the slightest because anyone can write there anything they want; see WP:MEDIUM. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_(website)

According to Wikipedia's own resources, that classification isn't 100% correct.

The platform is an example of social journalism, with a hybrid collection of amateur and professional individuals and publications, including exclusive blogs or publishers on Medium. Although it is often seen as a blog host, it is internally regulated with strict guidelines (similar to how Wikipedia operates).

Therefore, it could arguably be considered a reliable source. WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

No, not really. See WP:MEDIUM; self-published content is generally not considered reliable. The source in question seems to be written by a herbs expert, which has nothing to do with antivirus software. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't have knowledge of the existence of this list - I actually appreciate the fact you shared this list with me (because I will be able to check different sources on it).

Thank you so much, you are actually helping me out a lot here! :D WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 00:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Guys!!!... I'm really sorry to bother you, but I need your help!

I tried to submit this article for review for a potential future publication, but I'm not sure if it was even submitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:WikiSchlomo-08&oldid=1225776412

Please, if possible, could any of you have a look and try to help me out? I'm so sorry, I'm still a noob!!...

@MicrobiologyMarcus @CanonNi @DoubleGrazing @ColinFine WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 17:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus

@CanonNi

@DoubleGrazing

@ColinFine WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

P.S I also want to delete this "hypathia" article - I couldn't find a source like I wanted, so this is a bad article to waste time. I want to just move on for another publications (but I don't know how to delete this one) WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@WikiSchlomo-08 It is now at Draft:It's FOSS instead of on your user page. It is not submitted, but the submit button is present. If you feel ot to be ready click the button. I have not examined it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I have asked that Draft:Hypatia (antivirus software) be deleted citing your request just above. An alternative would have been simply to abandon it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for bothering you with this simple stuff, I appreciate a lot the fact you are losing your time to try to help me... I'm trying to adapt to wikipedia the best I can, but I'm still a newbie and sometimes I have some trouble WikiSchlomo-08 (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

14:13, 24 May 2024 review of submission by Jim0076899

• Jim0076899 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:OpenOTP Security Suite (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I do not understand why my article is not accepted when I see many others, very similar to mine, online. My company uses this MFA solution and I want to write about them to let others know about it. Can you please help me understand?

Thank you for your assistance.

Jimmy Jim0076899 (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jim0076899 please consider that the reviewer has said it appears to be an advert. I agree with them. Please read HELP:YFA and rewrite it. It looks like a brochure.

Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you tell me what looks like an ad? I am just listing facts about the product? Thank you. Jim0076899 (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That's the advertising. Wikipedia is not a product directory. Wikipedia wants to know what independent reliable sources say about a topic, with significant coverage beyond its existence and features- telling how the product is notable.

If you see other articles like your draft, that is only because we haven't addressed them yet. If you want to help us address them, please identify them so we can take action. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

If you work for the company that produces this product, the Terms of Use require you to disclose that, see WP:PAID. Note that "paid editing" includes employment. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jim0076899: you say "[your] company uses this" – what is your company? It wouldn't be Draft:RCDevs Security SA by any chance, would it? I'm asking because you've written two drafts, one on this 'authentication solution', the other on the company developing it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I've just noticed that you say I want to write about them to let others know about it. That is the very definition of promotion, which is forbidden on Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

16:40, 24 May 2024 review of submission by Terry Phillips

• Terry Phillips (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • User:Terry Phillips (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I created an article about Mark Bauman in my sandbox. Today, I attempted to move it to the main Wikipedia space. However, it includes several header messages: "This article, Mark Bauman, has recently been created via the Articles for creation process. Please check to see if the reviewer has accidentally left this template after accepting the draft and take appropriate action as necessary." Terry Phillips (talk) 16:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Terry Phillips That was you. You left them there. It would have been wiser to await a review. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

It is now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Bauman where users may leave policy based opinions for or against deletion. Terry Phillips this includes you, your opinion carries as much weight as anyone else's and will be welcome. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Terry Phillips: What is your connexion to Bauman or any of the organisations he's associated with? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I met Mark Bauman while we were working as foreign correspondents for two different news agencies. He was at ABC and I was at CBS. Terry Phillips (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

22:12, 24 May 2024 review of submission by 2601:204:F301:A330:14A6:1D0F:F32C:165A

• 2601:204:F301:A330:14A6:1D0F:F32C:165A (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Countryhumans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I don't really really know why you rejected it but I kinda need help 2601:204:F301:A330:14A6:1D0F:F32C:165A (talk) 22:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss this with the editor who rejected it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Writing an article begins by finding independent reliable sources which discuss the subject of the article in some depth. Starting to write an article without having found these is like trying to build a house without surveying the site to check it is safe to build on, and without checking local building regulations. The chances of building something that will not fall down are slight. ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

22:51, 24 May 2024 review of submission by Charlie Alexander Muir

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  • Draft:Mufbomb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

My article got rejected and I'm not sure why

Charlie Alexander Muir (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Charlie Alexander Muir Please see WP:NOT 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

23:33, 24 May 2024 review of submission by Saraalutz

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  • "An error occurred (ratelimited: You've exceeded your rate limit." (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I found a source for every single sentence and now when I submitted it, I got this error: An error occurred (ratelimited: You've exceeded your rate limit.

How long do I have to wait to resubmit? Saraalutz (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like you managed to submit it soon afterwards, so I'll assume this is in order now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

23:49, 24 May 2024 review of submission by 24.191.217.79

• 24.191.217.79 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Sunbury Press (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can an editor please look at this revised draft and tell me if it has a chance of being accepted for publication if resubmitted or if more work needs to be done? (I mostly revised the footnotes and sources) And if it's the latter, what should be done to improve its chances for publication acceptance? Thanks. 24.191.217.79 (talk) 23:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Without analysing the sources in detail, it's not possible to say whether they're enough to establish notability. If you feel you've sufficiently addressed the earlier decline reason, then resubmit it and that way you'll get a proper review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it--thank you. 24.191.217.79 (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

May 25

05:28, 25 May 2024 review of submission by Dakrfox65536

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  • Draft:HARSH SINGH GAUR (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

biography Dakrfox65536 (talk) 05:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dakrfox65536: you don't ask a question, but this draft was declined because it isn't in English. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Dakrfox65536, this is the English Wikipedia. Try the Hindi Wikipedia instead. Cullen328 (talk) 07:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

05:36, 25 May 2024 review of submission by CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine

• CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:N767BA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I just need more sites to cite for verification. I'm having trouble finding some. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: do you have a question you'd like to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I already found as much information as I could about this draft. I feel like I need more though, but I can't find any since there are two aircrafts using the same registration code. Is there any other way? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 06:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: an individual aircraft would have to be pretty remarkable to be independently notable; just having existed doesn't make it so, and even having featured new technologies or acted as a testbed for them wouldn't really mean it has a lasting legacy etc. What is it about this particular flying machine that would justify its place in a global encyclopaedia? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing. Then how is this article accepted? Only notable stuff here is that this is the first 737 ever built and that it was operated by NASA for flight testing. What else? CreatorMH (talk) 07:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which describes a common Wikipedia variant of whataboutery.

If you're unhappy with that article, you're welcome to improve it, or if it cannot be improved, tag it with appropriate maintenance templates, or possibly initiate deletion proceedings.

Now, returning to my question, what makes this aircraft noteworthy enough to be included? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing. N767BA played a pivotal role in revolutionizing long-haul air travel by introducing advanced aerodynamics, avionics, and operational efficiency. Notably, this was the first Boeing twin-engine wide-body aircraft. N767BA also helped Boeing to reuse some internal and external design for future aircraft types like the Dreamliner, helping Boeing to save money. CreatorMH (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

The prototype, leading to other Boeing 767 variants, helped Boeing compete with Airbus's A300, A310, and A330-200. CreatorMH (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: okay, thanks.

Why doesn't the draft say any/most of that, then? And according to which source are these the case?

And while I can see why being "the first Boeing" of a certain type, "helping Boeing save money", "helping Boeing compete", etc. would make this an important aircraft for Boeing, that doesn't really answer my question why this deserves its own entry in an encyclopaedia.

Anyway, the draft has been submitted, so we don't need to debate this here; you can just wait for the review to take place, and with some luck this may get accepted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

09:25, 25 May 2024 review of submission by Zfarahi

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  • Draft:Phariha (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Article declined Zfarahi (talk) 09:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zfarahi: yes. That's not a question – did you have one in mind? Please read carefully the decline notice and my accompanying comments. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

please what to add i am added enugh refrences what more to add please tell Zfarahi (talk) 09:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

can we add a wikipedia article in refrence ? Zfarahi (talk) 09:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zfarahi: you certainly haven't cited sufficient sources; the three that there are contribute nothing in terms of notability.

And no, you cannot cite Wikipedia as a source on Wikipedia.

Please read the notability guidelines I've linked in my comment, and show that this village is notable by either of them. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

but my village details is not plenty available on internt it is available on few website blogs indian ailway website my village railway station please verify from that please Zfarahi (talk) 09:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zfarahi: sources don't need to be online. They do, however, need to be reliable (which a blog isn't), and they need to provide significant coverage of the subject, which none of the ones you're citing does. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

how to refrence what more to refrence tell me point to point please Zfarahi (talk) 09:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

My article declined but i refrences with blog indian railways website please tell me what to add what link to add to make it verifiable and good article and no decline please Zfarahi (talk) 09:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Please don't start a new thread, just add to the existing one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

09:37, 25 May 2024 review of submission by User1373478

• User1373478 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Fr. Michael Protopopov OAM (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This was declined from being added to Wikipedia because I did not have reliable sources. Could I please have help to fix the referencing in this? User1373478 (talk) 09:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@User1373478: there's far too much unreferenced content - where did all that information come from? And the source mostly supporting this draft is a wiki of some sort, which isn't reliable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Do I need to reference each sentence? Because all the information came from only the sources referenced. User1373478 (talk) 09:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@User1373478: yes, pretty much, or at least every material statement. Now you have several paragraphs entirely unreferenced, which is unacceptable in an article on a living person (WP:BLP). And, as I said already, your main source is not reliable.

None of the sources also are acceptable as evidence of notability per WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

11:40, 25 May 2024 review of submission by Thevikastanwar

• Thevikastanwar (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Kajal Srivastava (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please help me for publish this article Thevikastanwar (talk) 11:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Thevikastanwar You took an image of this person and she posed for you. What is your connection with her? You must disclose this, see WP:COI and WP:PAID.

Rejection typically means that resubmission is no longer possible. If you have fundamentally changed the draft and addressed the concerns of reviewers, you should first appeal to the last reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@331dot To be fair, I think @Thevikastanwar found images on the web and uploaded them to Commons claiming they were their own work. I have warned them on Commons for one copyright violation and requested they supply permission for the file used in the draft. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

16:49, 25 May 2024 review of submission by Qevxoo

• Qevxoo (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Six dwarfs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I want to post information about my Hacker group pls Confirm it or tell me what to add for confirm Qevxoo (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qevxoo Wikipedia has no interest in what youi wish to say about your own group. We are only interested in what others say about it in reliable, independent, secondary sources. No sources? No article. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qevxoo: No sources, no article, no debate. An article would also seem to be counterproductive to the group and its goals. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I want people to know about this team Qevxoo (talk) 17:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qevxoo: okay, enough now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qevxoo: I invite you to read what I just wrote above. Merging sections. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qevxoo Please avail yourself of your own website, blog, social media accounts. Please do not attempt to bulldoze this into Wikipedia. You wil be unsuccessful. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

19:22, 25 May 2024 review of submission by ScruffyBoots

• ScruffyBoots (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Lord of Bromscott and Pemscott (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have just had this article rejected again, and although I read the rejection reasons; really don't understand why it lacks importance due to being deep in history for the local Alvescot Parish in Oxfordshire. What do I need to do before resubmitting? Thank you! ScruffyBoots (talk) 19:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@ScruffyBoots not a hoax as I first thought, but not an article. It's a meander through what appears to be a vanity title, just like all hereditary titles. Lacks references.

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

Read WP:REFB WP:CITE and HELP:YFA and consider whether this is likely to fly of totally and brutally edited down 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@ScruffyBoots It has been rejected. I admit that I was seriously considering doing that when I left you this advice instead. Rejection means that it will not proceed further, unless you can negotiate a retraction with the reviewer who rejected it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, understood! However, I do have a question remaining: I had a pop-up message yesterday to say that I have had my IP blocked from editing on Wiki for two years, then another pop-up saying the same but have been blocked for three months. 

Can you clarify if I am blocked or not and for how much time please as I don't seem to be able to find any blocking indication anywhere? 

If I am blocked, I find that harsh and dispute a blocking as being suitable treatment for a newbie. We all make mistakes and if the person who blocked me is perfect in everything that they do, I would like to know their secret. Education is a better policy, although what is simple to understand education for an expert may not be so when someone is learning. With apologies! ScruffyBoots ScruffyBoots (talk) 13:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@ScruffyBoots I am not an admin, so can only see to a certain level. I see no block entries against you. I have never edited from an IP range that is blocked, so cannot say if that is a usual popup mechanism im that circumstance. I think you will get a better answer at WP:TEAHOUSE. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

May 26

10:01, 26 May 2024 review of submission by 2A02:A312:C43C:7680:2C1B:5BF1:79FE:B165

• 2A02:A312:C43C:7680:2C1B:5BF1:79FE:B165 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Aniket Bharti (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! This football player has a draft page that was resubmitted month ago after source improvements. As I see there are no rules that could be broken, also here are some local mentions about him in wiki before placing on the football team player page Independiente Santa Fe (source number 3). Could you please share some wiki rules that could help to transfer this draft to the wiki space or answer why it is not possible. Thanks! 2A02:A312:C43C:7680:2C1B:5BF1:79FE:B165 (talk) 10:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

It was submitted for review and will be reviewed in due course. There is no deadline. In the meantime please continue to work on it if you believe improvements to be possible. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

11:15, 26 May 2024 review of submission by Februarymay2003

• Februarymay2003 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Nick E. Smith (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Need guidance on the reliable source note. Three links are official government pages that the public references.. Februarymay2003 (talk) 11:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Februarymay2003: as I don't know what the reviewer had in mind, I can only answer this indirectly, by saying that I would have declined the draft for lack of evidence of notability, because while the sources probably are reliable, they don't satisfy the WP:GNG standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Februarymay2003 I noticed that you resubmitted it. I have  Declined is with a much more specific rationale. Note, please, that you do not present Smith as being in any manner notable. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

This is not true. He is literally listed on the New York City Public Advocate page with a link to a blank page. Check it out. 2603:7000:9B3F:4426:D188:95C7:E931:DEFD (talk) 11:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is true. Being a public advocate at city level confers no automatic notability. We would need to see sources which satisfy the WP:GNG standard. Primary sources do not do that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Februarymay2003 I have left you a comment on the draft rather than decline it a second time. At the moment you are doing small works and requesting that reviewers do larger work to review your small works. I have explained what you need to be doing. I predict that this will be declined again unless you do the work, sufficient work to show that Smith passes WP:BIO. At present he does not, and may never do so. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Februarymay2003 Three experienced reviewers have now left you independent opinions and advice on the minimalistic draft. Thinking further about this I believe you are mistaking that Smith is listed on the New York City Public Advocate page with notability. That listing verifies that he is a post holder, no more and no less. This is a pedantic and real distinction. Many people may be shown to exist, almost none of them have notability, except, of course, to those who love or respect them. As an example, I can show, online, that I exist. I have absolutely no notability. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Februarymay2003: Government documents and websites are useless for notability in all circumstances, as they are primary sources. (This also includes court documents and anything else produced by a government organ.) https://www.cityandstateny.com/power-lists/2024/03/2024-trailblazers-law/394895/ is borderline as it's a listicle, I can't assess Crain's (walled), and https://abny.org/abny-event/boardroom-breakfast-with-nick-e-smith-first-deputy-public-advocate/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

17:39, 26 May 2024 review of submission by DerekE9831

• DerekE9831 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Trevor David Rhone (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! This is my second attempt. I was unable to get anyone to respond when I originally posted this on May 17th. I'd like to ask for an additional set of eyes to take a look at the Draft:Trevor David Rhone. I think Rhone's research on 2 dimensional magnetic materials has had a significant impact in his field, and he also received recognition from the American Institute of Physics and the National Society of Black Physicists. I think he satisfies notability, but any additional feedback is appreciated.

Thank you. DerekE9831 (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@DerekE9831: can you be more specific and tell us exactly which criterion/-a of WP:NACADEMIC you feel Rhone satisfies, and what evidence supports that? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

May 27

01:42, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Xinxin Ming

• Xinxin Ming (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Mountain Rain Zen Community (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello,

This submission was rejected due to lack of notability.

Some of the citations are certainly dependent coverage, namely the references to the organization's website and one of the references to an article that was authored by a leader in the organization (Kate McCandless).

However, I have questions about why the other citations don't qualify. Two of the citations are to academic books, independently published by authors unaffiliated with the organization. The lengths of mentions in the books are about a paragraph each. To my eyes, this seemed like it would qualify as "multiple independent reliable sources" as described by Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Am I missing something here?

In addition, one of the articles cited was authored by someone unaffiliated with the organization (it was, however, published by a third-party, Northwest Dharma, that exists to promote other Buddhist organizations -- if that is still considered dependent coverage, fair enough, but I'd be curious to know for certain).

What are some concrete examples of additional citations that would help qualify this article for notability, if not independent academic publications?

Any other suggestions for how I might improve this article?

I have, for the record, declared a Conflict of Interest on the talk page that reads:

Many thanks,

XXM Xinxin Ming (talk) 01:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing tagging you here as you were the initial reviewer. Xinxin Ming (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Xinxin Ming: the draft has six citations, two to the organisation's own website (obviously not independent), two to Northwest Dharma Association (a primary source), and one to the Matthews book which makes only a brief mention of the organisation (literally two sentences, as far as I can tell). The remaining one I don't have access to, but no matter how good it may be, it alone isn't enough to satisfy WP:ORG; we typically require three sources meeting the standard outlined in WP:GNG.

Thank you for making the disclosure. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

DoubleGrazing Got it. Thank you for your time and feedback 🙏 Xinxin Ming (talk) 15:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

02:27, 27 May 2024 review of submission by 151.192.207.156

• 151.192.207.156 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Wikikclun (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I refer to the speedy deletion of my draft submission. Can I retrieve my submission for modification so that it complies with Wikipedia guidelines. Pls let me have the link to my deleted article for retrieval and modification. Thanks KC Lun 151.192.207.156 (talk) 02:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Please log into your account whenever editing (I'm assuming you're Wikikclun).

And please read the message posted on the bottom of your talk page User talk:Wikikclun.

Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

05:54, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Iridium27

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  • Monolayer-protected cluster molecules (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The tittle of the page was changed and we think that the current tittle is not informative. The tittle seems to overlap with already existing tittles such as "Nanocluster" and "Thiolate-protected gold cluster". Furthermore, it is currently ambiguous and not totally aligned with the content. Is it possible to change the tittle to be more informative? We would suggest it to be "The crystal structures of monolayer protected clusters", because the crystal structures are the main focus of the page. Iridium27 (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Iridium27: technically speaking this is no longer an AfC matter, since the article was published a couple of days ago. You should go to the general Help desk or the Teahouse with editing queries like this.

I presume the current title was chosen by the accepting reviewer, because at the time of acceptance the beginning of the draft read:

Monolayer protected clusters (MPCs) are one type of nanoparticles or clusters of atoms. A single MPC contains...

The way encyclopaedia articles (unlike, perhaps, many other works) are written is that the title term (in bold), which defines the subject of the article, is typically the article title, and vice versa.

The article could be moved to a different title, including by you since you have confirmed account status. However, whether it should be moved is a different matter. There are many considerations in naming articles, please study WP:TITLE before attempting to do so. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for the advise. I'll check the naming page and ask from the general section. Iridium27 (talk) 06:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

07:06, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Thesazh

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  • Draft:Nindha (film) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Waiting for review Thesazh (talk) 07:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Thesazh: that's not a question; did you have one in mind? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry! I meant to ask, to help me on the article I've written regarding the sources I have mentioned were reliable enough or do I need to gather more sources? Thesazh (talk) 08:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Thesazh: you're effectively asking us to review your draft, which isn't something we do here at the help desk; a reviewer will assess it sooner or later, please be patient. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

07:19, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Mssandipan

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  • User:Mssandipan/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

How to fixed it Mssandipan (talk) 07:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mssandipan: how to fixed (sic) what? What are you asking? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

It's obvious that you have not read our guidelines and that you have an undeclared conflict of interest. If you want to promote your business, please go elsewhere. Deb (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

08:36, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Abhi892

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  • Draft:503 AD Mssile Regiment (MRSAM) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What should I do so that my article dosen't get rejected. being part of the same organisation on which I am writting article, I am feeling very helpless as even I have to justify that what I am producing is correct. Please help me out in updating the same. Abhi892 (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Abhi892: your draft (not yet article) has been rejected.

For future reference, what you should not do is just keep resubmitting without any attempt to address the decline reasons; that is a sure-fire way to end up with a rejection.

What you must also do is disclose your conflict of interest (COI). I've posted instructions on your talk page.

Are you involved in some sort of campaign to create articles on topics related to the Indian military? I'm only asking as we're seeing a lot of such drafts recently. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid that your feelings are fairly usual for people who attempt the challenging task of creating an article without first spending time learning the necessary skills.

My advice to you - as to all new editors - is to put aside completely the idea of crteating a new article, and spend at least a few weeks making improvements to existing articles and learning about basic principles of Wikipedia, such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and most importantly notability.

When you have an understanding of all those principles, you can read your first article and probably conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

09:03, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Musicabdmediaentgroup

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  • Draft:Rollin Jarrett (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am very confused by the reasoning to deny my submitted article (subject: Rollin Jarrett). The submitted subject (article) CLEARY has honorable mentions worldwide and even mentions on wikipedia alone. All films mentioned in the submitted article (Rollin Jarrett) have their very own wikipedia articles and these films are written by Rollin Jarrett (the articles even reference ROLLIN JARRETT as the writer). All actors involved or associated with the films written by Rollin Jarret have their own articles and these articles show their roles in the films that are written by my submitted subject (Rollin Jarrett). Musicabdmediaentgroup (talk) 09:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Musicabdmediaentgroup like I said when declining the draft, it does not meet WP:NACTOR in its current state. We cannot cite IMDb or LinkedIn, and the 2 other sources do not mention Jarrett directly (i.e. no significant coverage). Also see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Your draft has zero independent, reliable published sources and you need to disclose your paid editing status. Theroadislong (talk) 09:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I understand the cites you mentioned. But - you say the articles don't mention Mr. Jarrett directly? He's mentioned on them as the writer. For example: American Vampire (film) - Wikipedia

Any further help you can provide is appreciated. Musicabdmediaentgroup (talk) 09:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

We cannot cite other Wikipedia articles per WP:CIRCULAR. And are you being paid for your editing? If you are you must disclose it per WP:PAID. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not being paid to edit and nor do I know Mr. Jarrett personally. I mainly do music marketing and I have some involvment in film. After reading about his new release Daylight To Dark, I went to wikipedia to search for the subject. I thought it was increasingly odd and ironic that Mr. Jarrett did not have an article aleady but the films he has written does. Musicabdmediaentgroup (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

We don't need citations that just mention him- they must provide significant coverage of him, coverage that goes beyond just telling of the existence of his work, and goes into detail about what makes him important/significant/influential- how he meets WP:NACTOR or more broadly WP:BIO. 331dot (talk) 09:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I will locate the appropriate citations and sources. I appreciate your help. Musicabdmediaentgroup (talk) 09:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Musicabdmediaentgroup: it seems to me that you may think that simply doing one's job (be it as an actor, screenwriter, or other) makes one notable; this is not so. We're not doubting that Jarrett has been involved in films, we're saying that's not enough.

Also, there is quite a lot of unreferenced biographical information in this draft – where did all that come from? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

All biographical information was found on various sites after reading about his latest film. Rotten Tomatoes, News articles, personal imdb page and sites interviewing him about film. There's many sites that reference him, I appear to only be referencing ones that aren't of credible nature on wikipedia. Musicabdmediaentgroup (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Musicabdmediaentgroup: I see. Be that as it may, you must cite your sources, it's not enough to say that sources exist somewhere out there. We have especially strict standards for referencing articles on living people (WP:BLP), for privacy etc. reasons. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

To be fair, "backstage" personnel such as screenwriters don't get much press unless they already have a reputation for the quality of their work (for better or for worse). Finding sources for the overwhelming majority of them is akin to finding a bone needle in a haystack. This isn't so much a critique on them as it is a consequence of lead actors and producers/directors getting the lion's share of the credit for a film while everyone else is lucky to be mentioned, let alone discussed. The best sources here are more likely to be industry-specific periodicals. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

15:12, 27 May 2024 review of submission by RashidB123

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  • Draft:Majrooh Rashid (A R Malik) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have made significant changes the draft on 2nd April 2024, but haven't received any feedback on that yet. Can you please look at the draft and let me know what I should do to get it through?

Thanks RashidB123 (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@RashidB123: this draft was rejected three months ago, which means that it won't be considered further; therefore, no matter how much you edit it, it won't be reviewed anymore. If you now have evidence of notability which wasn't considered earlier, you may make your case directly to the reviewer who rejected it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@RashidB123 You will not receive feedback. This draft was rejected way back in February. You might try discussing this with the reviewer who rejected it, and ask them to consider changing their mind. However this appears to be your autobiography. It looks to me as if you may pass WP:NPROF, but not with this draft, which has a peculiar dual reference scheme, and many unreferenced statements.

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

Passing NPROF requires similar diligence in referencing 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

17:19, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Debflom

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  • Draft:Scott Bronstein (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! I was hoping to get some assistance before I re-submitted this one. We've spent some time finding a great deal more outside citations to reference for him. I'm hoping this would get approved now, but I was wondering if someone could take a look at it now to see if it's likely to get approved or if there is anything else I can do to help at this point? thank you so much for the assistance. Debflom (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Debflom Who is "we", please?

All inline links should be removed, please, and turned into references if appropriate, Wikilinks, or external links in a section so named. See Wikipedia:External links. There should be no links pointing to external sources until those in the 'References' section (with the exception of one optional link in any infobox).

Pre-reviews are nt what this process is really about 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! I appreciate your time! Debflom (talk) 18:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

20:03, 27 May 2024 review of submission by TideCTRL

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  • Draft:Chonny Jash (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

hey so, I gave evidence (The Medium qna which was stated where he said all these and even linked at the bottom) and it still got rejected? Chonny Jash himself also helped write this, so would there be any like advice? so I could resubmit to fix this? TideCTRL (talk) 20:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@TideCTRL I'm having trouble understanding what, with precision, you are asking for. If it helps I cam tell you that all the pictures you have decorated the draft with appear to be copyright violations. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

And your draft has zero reliable, independent sources so zero chance of being accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 20:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Again, still confused. I understand the Steve-O image, but how is the images of Chonny Jash copyrighted if he's endorsing said page? Also how is me referring to an interview with him, and linking that interview not a reliable source? None of this is meant to sound like I'm trying to come off aggressive by the way, just curious on ways I could fix it. TideCTRL (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not clear what you mean by " he's endorsing said page" the copyright of the photographs rests with the photographer, interviews confer zero notability as they are not independent. Theroadislong (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Chonny has helped with fact checking and rewording, that's what I mean by him endorsing this page. And how can I prove that the Interview is in fact him? I'm just needing some general like suggestions, as this is my first time with one of these. TideCTRL (talk) 21:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@TideCTRL, we don't doubt that the interview is him - the problem is you can't use interviews as evidence of notability. You can use them for basic, uncontroversial facts, like if Jash said in an interview that he was born on February 29 that would be fine. But you will need to find at least three good sources not including any interviews he's done. Because Jash is a living person, the requirements for an article about him are very strict, and every single statement you write needs to be backed up with a reliable source. It doesn't matter if Jash has looked over the article and agrees everything is correct; there needs to be a reference for each statement that verifies it is correct, and those references must be from reliable sources (apart from the basic facts caveat I mentioned).

If you want to have a look at a similar article, may I suggest WikiProject Music's Featured Articles? Featured Articles (best of the best) or Good Articles (a step below Featured) are the ones to use as examples, since they have been very thoroughly vetted by the community. Have a look at David Bowie, for example: the lede (introduction part before the table of contents) has no listed references because they're all in the rest of the article, so skip past that for the moment. Starting at 'Early Life', you'll see that basically every single sentence has a reference after it. (Bowie is sadly dead, but because his death was quite recent the Living Person requirements still apply)

When it comes to the photos, the problem is that they belong to the person who took the photo. So if you took the photo, then you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons and use it in the article. If Jash took the photo and is happy to upload it to Commons, that's fine too. Keep in mind though that when you upload an image to Commons, you are saying that anyone can use it or alter it in any way they like. Most likely the only time it will ever be used is in an article about him on Wikipedia, but it's also possible that it could be used in newspapers, or advertising, or by people who don't like him. This licensing tutorial might be helpful!

Although like you I am quite a new editor, I'd be happy to look at sources you find and try to help you work out whether they're suitable - there's a lot of resources available within Wikipedia to guide us but this is already a wall of text so I won't keep going. Feel free to comment on my talk page if you wish. Good luck and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 23:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has very little interest in what Chonny has endorsed, we base articles on what independent sources say and interviews are not independent so cannot be used to establish notability. Theroadislong (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, yes, I get that, all I'm asking is if there's any way I can prove these sources as true and not have the images be labeled as copyrighted TideCTRL (talk) 21:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@TideCTRL Please read the following text:

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

That is what you have to achieve. Find the sources whch prove that he is notable, and it will go forward, all else being equal. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The images are dealt with on Wikimedia Commons, not here, and instructions are on c:User talk:TideCTRL. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

20:51, 27 May 2024 review of submission by The great jacobius

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  • Draft:David W Martin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

why was David W Martin rejected? The great jacobius (talk) 20:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@The great jacobius Please confirm that you have read the message in the biog, pink, decline box. It has been pushed back to you for further work, not rejected 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@The great jacobius: No sources, no article, no debate. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 02:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

21:06, 27 May 2024 review of submission by Yurii Melnyk

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  • Draft:International Journal of Science Annals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear sir, Thank you for your offers of help. The indexing services listed (please note that there are more than 40 of them on the Journal's website) testify to the popularity of this Journal. The Journal's website confirms this. It is visited daily by dozens of readers from 166 countries. Also, according to the WorldCat link, this journal is held in the archives of 159 libraries around the world. Therefore, this topic is of sufficient importance to be included in the Wikipedia. Please note that this journal may have been noted by various entities such as the ISSN International Centre and WorldCat. This is in line with the requirements of the WP:NJournals . The IJSA meets high scientific and ethical standards and is recognised worldwide. Therefore, the page deserves to be added to Wikipedia. Is it possible to move the article to the main space? Thanks a lot for your work.

Yurii Melnyk (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Yurii Melnyk: starting with your last question, whether or not this draft could be published, it shouldn't be you moving it into the main article space, given the conflict of interest (COI) which you have disclosed on your user page (and thank you for doing so).

Most of the factors you list, such as how many libraries hold this journal or how many countries visitors to your website come from, are not criteria in our WP:NJOURNALS or WP:GNG notability guidelines. The indexing services one could be, but not quite the way you put it across: it isn't the number of indices that matters, but rather their quality; 40 non-selective ones don't establish notability, whereas a single selective one may do.

That said, this is all somewhat academic (no pun), as the draft has been rejected, which usually means the end of the road. If evidence of notability is now available which wasn't considered earlier, you may approach the rejecting reviewer directly to appeal the rejection, but if you do, I suggest you build your case solely on policy-based arguments referring to NJOURNALS, rather than on irrelevant metrics or subjective arguments such as "deserves to be added to Wikipedia". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

May 28

08:57, 28 May 2024 review of submission by BrianRasmussen

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  • Draft:Michael Bundesen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi. I want to have this draft deleted since it is difficult for me to improve the article further more. The person is definitely notable on his own in Denmark (he is even more known and recognized than his fellow band colleague Claus Asmussen) but I cannot get more relevant sources about his merits. Best, -- BrianRasmussen (talk) 08:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@BrianRasmussen I've tagged the draft for speedy deletion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

09:13, 28 May 2024 review of submission by Mehdiaic

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  • Draft:Al Islah Center (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm new to wiki. Please Guide me how can I do this? Mehdiaic (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mehdiaic: this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further.

Do you have some kind of external relationship with this organisation? I see that this was queried on your talk page, and you responded by promising to disclose any conflicts of interest, but I don't see any actual disclosure anywhere. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

11:07, 28 May 2024 review of submission by BeenaMehta

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  • Draft:Australia's Clean And Conscious Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I am having some issues writing a topic. I am new to Wikipedia so I need help editing the topic I have submitted. Please I request you to consider my points and help me with this. It would be a great help. Thank you, BeenaMehta (talk) 11:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@BeenaMehta: the decline notice gives details of why this was declined. Please study it carefully. If after that you have specific questions, come back here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

12:01, 28 May 2024 review of submission by Rinuverse

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  • Draft:Hoy Maharaja (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Help me out about Draft to Publish it Rinuverse (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rinuverse: what help do you require? The decline notice and the accompanying comments tell you what you need to do. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

ya means this movie is releasing on 31 may 2024 for it is stay in my draft or will delete? Rinuverse (talk) 12:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rinuverse: I'm not quite sure what your question is, so I'll answer what I think you're asking. A declined draft will stay in the draft space for at least six months, and more or less indefinitely if it is edited at least occasionally. So if you're unable to find sources to show that this unreleased film is yet notable, then waiting until after its release may be a good idea, in anticipation of more and better sources appearing then. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for understanding my issue and helped me out. Rinuverse (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

13:28, 28 May 2024 review of submission by Bvedavyas2024

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  • Draft:Buragadda Vedavyas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please clearly mention the unreferenced sections Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bvedavyas2024: I'm not sure why you're asking, given that this draft was rejected for lack of notability, but at least the 'Early life and education' section is entirely unreferenced. Also, a lot of this is allegedly supported by election reports, some of which cannot be verified, leaving those sections also unsupported.

I must also ask you, did you ever get around to reading the message I posted on your talk page more than three months ago about autobiographies, and why we strongly advise against creating one? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

13:39, 28 May 2024 review of submission by Martin.hennerfors

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  • 2024 WK League (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello

This page have been updated a bit since the last review/comment. It follows the same reference/sources as all the other WK League seasons and if we cant accept the 2024 seasons all the others need to be deleted to follow a red line/the same logics. Martin.hennerfors (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

the page should have been the draft-page, see Draft:2024_WK_League Martin.hennerfors (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Martin.hennerfors: you don't ask a question, but this draft has been submitted and is pending review. (And no, existing articles would not need to be deleted, even if this one gets declined or rejected.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

14:51, 28 May 2024 review of submission by Jazibrands

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  • Draft:Candy Funhouse (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

my page keeps getting met back with resistance when there are far more companies that do not have valid Wikipedia pages. candyfunhouse is the same business type as dylans candy bar and they have a wiki page. can someone please help edit the page so I can have it posted. Jazibrands (talk) 14:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jazibrands Please let us know of any companies that you feel do not have articles showing them to pass WP:NCORP We clean Wikipedia as assiduously as possible, but poor articles exist a-plenty.

No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy

Please also see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS

Now, you have work to do. Please go to it with a will. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jazibrands: see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; it doesn't matter what other articles may be out there, this draft has to stand on its own legs. And no, we won't get involved in co-editing here at the help desk at the best of times, and certainly not in the case of a paid editor whose job is to edit this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

As you are the marketing associate at CandyFunHouse, I doubt you are going to find anyone here to help you. Theroadislong (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft deleted, user blocked 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

18:12, 28 May 2024 review of submission by 97.144.121.141

• 97.144.121.141 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:IndexNow (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

We've included a lot of sources and citations of published materials about IndexNow. Need assistance clarifying what more is required? This is a digital entity like Sitemaps... 97.144.121.141 (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

All inline links should be removed, please, and turned into references if appropriate, Wikilinks, or external links in a section so named. See Wikipedia:External links. There should be no links pointing to external sources until those in the 'References' section (with the exception of one optional link in any infobox).

We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

You have two conflicting reference schemes.

It is impossible to review this if submitted in this form. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

20:12, 28 May 2024 review of submission by MASTERBING21

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  • Draft:Chatham Ontario (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there, I am working to try submitting my article "Chatham, Ontario" for submission, but I need a little help making it good for submission, is that possible? I also was told that the article already existed as "Chatham-Kent" but Chatham is a city in a county known as Chatham-Kent.

Have a amazing day! MASTERBING21 (talk) 20:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@MASTERBING21 I reinforce the firm suggestion that you merge this with Chatham-Kent instead and thus improve that article 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

21:15, 28 May 2024 review of submission by Neer1al

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  • Draft:Macomb Symphony Orchestra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have included resources about the Macomb Symphony Orchestra.

Multiple newspaper resources and proof of existence. There are no awards to speak of other than the Detroit Music Awards nominations. This is a regional symphony that isn't in the news very often. Not sure how entities/organizations like this document history on a larger scale if any mention in a newspaper is considered trivial. It may be trivial to some but is a bigger deal to others. Neer1al (talk) 21:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Existence is not our inclusion criteria, see also Alan Smithee. Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):

• https://www.macombdaily.com/2024/03/25/shelby-twp-officials-planning-the-first-ever-summerfest-for-late-june/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, no discussion of the orchestra.
• https://www.shelbytwp.org/Home/Components/News/News/324/384#:~:text=Font%20Size%3A-,Summerfest%202024%20features%20Treehouse%20Live%2C%20Macomb%20Symphony%20Orchestra%2C%20drone%20show,the%202024%20Shelby%20Township%20Summerfest./ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop and quote, no discussion of the orchestra.
• We can't use https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2023/04/12/macomb-symphony-to-present-spring-concert-heroes-and-legends/ (too sparse). Too short to cite. Same applies to https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2022/10/20/macomb-symphony-orchestra-to-perform-halloween-delights-at-macomb-center/
• https://www.macombdaily.com/2022/10/18/macomb-symphony-orchestra-to-introduce-its-new-conductor-at-season-opener/ is useless for notability (wrong subject). This is more about the outgoing conductor than MSO, and barely discusses the latter.
• https://www.candgnews.com/news/macomb-symphony-orchestra-to-bring-songs-of-america-to-stony-creek-metropark-132 is borderline. There's slight discussion of the MSO here.

Do you have any offline sources (books, newspaper articles) that discuss MSO in any depth? Sources need not be online (and given this was founded in the mid-70's I'd expect there to be at least some offline sources). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

22:53, 28 May 2024 review of submission by VWellsMicro

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  • IndexNow (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for reviewing our page. We have reviewed other similar pages (Bing Webmaster Tools, Sitemaps) and both have fewer references from most of the same sources. One of our categorizations does appear to be under math and science, this is not correct. Could this incorrect categorization be a reason why we are having difficulties? IndexNow is a digital search engine optimization protocol (IndexNow.org) similar to sitemaps developed by Google, which does have a Wikipedia. Can you make some suggestions how we can correct the issues you are seeing? VWellsMicro (talk) 22:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)