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R2dra

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23 June 2024

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Suspected sockpuppets

• Hashid Khan (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Mightyancestors (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Jhalasss (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Chhabri02 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 2409:4052:238c:4a6c:612:3f29:a727:8db6 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 2409:4052:8ec8:8c3:7d84:785:1130:201b (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
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Hashid Khan is a sock of Rudra Simha who was blocked as confirmed sock of R2dra & Rajanyas. In first place Rudra Simha restored the old revision of Rajputs in Gujarat[1], same attempt again made by new sock Hashid Khan[2], same attempt was also made by Sock IP [3] this IP range was blocked by @Smalljim for vandalizing many wiki pages & LTA. Rudra Simha made edits on List of battles in Rajasthan[4], and Hashid Khan also made edits on same page [5]. Edits of Jhalasss[6] & Mightyancestors[7] overlapping with the blocked IP Range,[8],[9] and with other blocked sokcs Gaurav Bisen Powar[10] & Rajanyas[11] as both these users made edits on Chavda dynasty and inserted word Rajput dynasty.

Mightyancestors in next place also inserted term Rajput dynasty in lead on the pages of Kalachuri dynasty[12], Rashtrakutas[13], Chahamanas of Shakambhari[14] & Pala empire[15].

• • Hashid Khan[16] and Rudra Simha[17] both have quite similar summaries like Added links/Added citation. Vanrajeya (talk) 18:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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23 June 2024

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Suspected sockpuppets

• Mohammad Umar Ali (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Rawn3012 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Hashid Khan (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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• All three heavily edit Indian MILHIST articles pertaining to Mewar and the Rajputs in support of them:
  • Hahid Khan: ([18][19])
  • MuA ([20])
  • Rawn3012 ([21])
• All have voted on the AfD for "Mewar–Delhi Sultanate Wars" with keeps: [22] [23] [24], and MuA and Rawn both voted delete on the AfD for "Maratha–Nizam wars" [25] [26], and the AfD for "Nizam's Carnatic campaigns" [27] [28] (see also that Constructive45 is a suspected sock in the "other group")
• Both also used the exact same quote and link in the same discussion on the Maratha Confederacy talk page ([29] [30])
• All three consistently oppose the other sockgroup (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AdityaNakul) in AfDs and talk pages; see the previous Maratha-Nizam and Nizam's Carnatic campaigns AfDs, in addition to the other evidence below:
• All three edited Ratnahastin's talk page, and Hashid Khan did so mentioning his suspicion of a sock for the "other side" while having only 3 edits and an account age of 1 day: ([31] [32] Rawn: [33] MuA: [34]);

• Rawn, MuA, and confirmed socks Mughalised and BasedMaratha commented on the talk page of the Mewar-Delhi Sultanate Wars article numerous times ([35] [36] [37]), and Mughalised defended MuA as well [38] (Sockmaster R2dra also edited this page [39] but not the talk page) — all of these comments were in the same discussion with ImperialAficionado.

In addition to this evidence, HistoryofIran made a lengthy report on ANI on the conflict between these Indian MILHIST sockfarms which contains more evidence. There is also this sockgroup, who's member Based Kashmiri mass-G5'd, nominated for deletion, and reverted edits of members of the AdityaNakul group; It's not clear if this (R2dra) and the Based Kashmiri group are related, but it's all very messy. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems there was also a filing for Hashid Khan right above this that I failed to see, posted an hour before I posted mine, but mysteriously the posting user only has 6 edits. Either way, more evidence. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Comment for the Administrator: Flemmish has alleged that I am a possible sock puppet of R2dra based on no strong evidence.

1.) Flemmish mentioned that I am heavily involved in articles pertaining to Mewar and the Rajputs [40].

• This is because I am editing the articles related to military history (mostly Indian) on Wikipedia. You can even see my user page [41] in which I added months back that I am interested in history so it's obvious that I will edit history articles. There is no Wikipedia guidelines that only specific users could do that. Moreover this edit [42] (which Flemmish linked) has sources cited beside it, if I were to push my POV why would I cite reliable sources (WP:RS)?

2.) Flemmish then mentioned that I have voted in the AFDs.

• Deletion discussion of Mewar-Delhi Sultanate wars[43]. I am the author [44] of this article which makes it obvious to vote if any user nominates it for deletion.
• The user also mentioned that I participated in other deletion discussions [45], I already told that I edit the articles related to military history (mostly Indian) so if such an article (from Indian history) was nominated for deletion, I participated in deletion discussion. I also provided the reason regarding my take and participation in discussion should not be a problem.
• And I was the one who nominated Nizam's Carnatic campaign (1725-27) article for deletion see this [46] so it is obvious I would be part of the discussion there [47].
• Also, in future too, I might be involved in more such discussions so will this user(or others) always suggest my name as a possible sock puppet?

3.) Regarding the issue that I oppose AdityaNakul;

• I was opposing the editor DeepstoneV (now confirmed sockpuppet of AdityaNakul) as he was constantly reverting my edits without any justification. So, I decided to post these messages on his talk page [48], [49] and [50].
• Moreover, I even asked an administrator help for it see this [51].
• Also, some other editor previously had an investigation regarding whether I was a possible sockpuppet of AdityaNakul with this same evidence of talk page which Flemmish too has used. That investigation didn't find me involved in sockpuppetry [52].
• This is a serious issue, someone in future again could use this same Deepstone v issue and allege me of sockpuppetry so kindly do something regarding this.

4.) Regarding editing Ratnahastin's talk page [53]

• When I nominated Niam's Carnatic Campaign article (1725-27) I asked other users involved in Indian history to put forward their views in the deletion discussion. And Ratnahastin was a part of those users. See this [54],[55], [56], [57]

5.) Regarding comments on Mewar-Delhi talk page [58]

• As, I already told before that this article [59] (Mewar-Delhi wars now redirected to List of wars between the Kingdom of Mewar and the Delhi Sultanate) was created by me and User:Imprial had some problems with it so he wanted to have a discussion with me on the article's talk page [60].
• In response I commented this regarding the discussion [61]. Later, I had a long discussion with Imperial on the article's talk page.
• The comment with Flemmish [62] has linked is one of those comments from the discussion. And I have no authority to stop other users from commenting or participating in the discussion, if someone defends me [63] or support my comment that doesn't confirm that he/she is my sockpuppet or vice-versa. After a draft is accepted anyone can edit it be it R2dra [64] or Flemmish [65] or Padfoot2008 [66]. Since the discussion was initiated by Imperial [67], all were replying to him as he was the only active user in the discussion supporting different from others.

Besides, I would like to ask Flemmish how to have discussion without commenting?

6.) Regarding report by HistoryofIran [68], etc.

• I don't see HistoryofIran's report [69] mentioning me which indicates that he is not suspicious of me being involved in sockpuppetry. This [70] which Flemmish mentioned also doesn't involve me.
  

So, I have answered each of the alleged claims by Flemmish of me being involved in sockpuppetry. I think that now he would also understand that I am not involved in any kind of sockpuppetry.
Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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