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::Somoene must also stop the Turkish ultranationalist user Beshogur from editing further. He gives no reason and cites "personal attacks" [[User:Gypsybores|Gypsybores]] ([[User talk:Gypsybores|talk]]) 19:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
::Somoene must also stop the Turkish ultranationalist user Beshogur from editing further. He gives no reason and cites "personal attacks" [[User:Gypsybores|Gypsybores]] ([[User talk:Gypsybores|talk]]) 19:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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In [[Culture of Japan|Japanese culture]], this gesture is one form of the "[[Kitsune]]'s window" (狐の窓), also called "Kitsune sign" (キツネサイン) or "Kitsune handsign" (キツネハンドサイン). The most widespread [[superstition]] associated with this gesture is that looking through the hole of the gesture would reveal the true form of spirits disguised as humans. These gestures are featured in [[Utagawa Kunimasu]]'s ''Shimpan Bakemono Nendaiki'' (新板化物念代気) in 1829, and Nobuyo Kitamura's ''Kiyū Shōran'' (嬉遊笑覧), published in 1830, records their recreational use by children during the [[Edo period]].<ref>{{cite web|url=https://raindrop.tokyo/article-4331/|website=MIKURI|title=「狐の窓」の方法は？妖怪が見える伝説は本当？危険体験も|access-date=2024-07-05|date=2024-02-07}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E7%8B%90%E3%81%AE%E7%AA%93|website=ピクシブ百科事典|title=狐の窓|access-date=2024-07-05}}</ref> Kitsune's windows appear in modern Japanese media, such as in concerts by Japanese metal idol band [[Babymetal]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://metalhammer.teamrock.com/features/2015-07-21/the-future-is-now-it-s-metal-hammer-273|title=Metal Hammer UK issue 273|publisher = Metal Hammer|access-date=2015-08-14|date=2015-07-21}}</ref> and [[manga]] and [[anime]] featuring [[occultism]] or kitsune as characters. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB08:8B3E:6B00:38F8:2E42:2134:C1E0|2A01:CB08:8B3E:6B00:38F8:2E42:2134:C1E0]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB08:8B3E:6B00:38F8:2E42:2134:C1E0|talk]]) 23:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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The wolf gesture is not a political gesture
The wolf salute is a part of the Turkic culture and mythology. Only because a far-right fascist group uses this symbol in Turkey doesn't means that it is political. It would be better if you truly did some research about this gesture before writing about, this way you're making people think that this is a political symbol, including yourself Berrenniz (talk) 06:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
First Citation
"The referenced source does not label the symbol itself as fascist; but refers to the organization Grey Wolves who uses it as fascists. Kekolataaa (talk) 08:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Descriptors of the group Grey Wolves being falsely cited to define the Wolf Gesture.
The citation (p12) describes Grey Wolves as ultranationalist and neo-fascist, not the sign itself. Author uses said labels to describe Ultranationalist Groups who adopted the sign. Kekolataaa (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
This page is under barrage from Turkish ultranationalists. We must restrict it.
This page is under barrage from Turkish ultranationalists. We must restrict it. Immediately. Or, at least, as soon as possible. Gypsybores (talk) 17:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it will be worse as Turkish fans vowed to all use the sign at the match tomorrow. Lets hope the admins do something Ilamxan (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed.
- Somoene must also stop the Turkish ultranationalist user Beshogur from editing further. He gives no reason and cites "personal attacks" Gypsybores (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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The following paragraph was removed in rev1232778230, apparently arbitrarily, and hasn't been restored yet. Waiting on things to settle down before trying to get it on the page again. 2A01:CB08:8B3E:6B00:38F8:2E42:2134:C1E0 (talk) 23:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
In Japanese culture, this gesture is one form of the "Kitsune's window" (狐の窓), also called "Kitsune sign" (キツネサイン) or "Kitsune handsign" (キツネハンドサイン). The most widespread superstition associated with this gesture is that looking through the hole of the gesture would reveal the true form of spirits disguised as humans. These gestures are featured in Utagawa Kunimasu's Shimpan Bakemono Nendaiki (新板化物念代気) in 1829, and Nobuyo Kitamura's Kiyū Shōran (嬉遊笑覧), published in 1830, records their recreational use by children during the Edo period.[1][2] Kitsune's windows appear in modern Japanese media, such as in concerts by Japanese metal idol band Babymetal[3] and manga and anime featuring occultism or kitsune as characters. 2A01:CB08:8B3E:6B00:38F8:2E42:2134:C1E0 (talk) 23:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- ^ "「狐の窓」の方法は？妖怪が見える伝説は本当？危険体験も". MIKURI. 2024-02-07. Retrieved 2024-07-05.
- ^ "狐の窓". ピクシブ百科事典. Retrieved 2024-07-05.
- ^ "Metal Hammer UK issue 273". Metal Hammer. 2015-07-21. Retrieved 2015-08-14.