Talk:Voyages of Christopher Columbus

Map of the first voyage must be changed

The map of the first voyage is based on Pickering's fringe theory that San Salvador/ Guanahani is Plana crays. I've reviewed an immense amount of academic literature on this topic and can find no support for Pickering's beliefs whatsoever.

Watling's/ Modern San Salvador clearly is the most favored choice among scholars. This is also acknowledged in the Guanahani article which says Watling's "remains widely accepted as the most probable candidate". (The statement is well-sourced too, referencing a 2012 encyclopedia entry which seems to be the most recent scholarly take on this issue)

Some historians have argued for Samana Crays or Grand Turk but even they remain minority viewpoints. Hence, the map must be changed to reflect the broad consensus on the route taken by Columbus.

There may be some copyright issues though. Can we attach this map from BBC? (Only including their "commonly accepted route" of course) Jack234567 (talk) 03:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Pineapple

The article says that Columbus brought back the pineapple on his first voyage, but all the sources say he brought it back on his second voyage. Viriditas (talk) 20:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Cristoforo Colombo

Why does this article only mention his name name in English? 124.170.102.102 (talk) 09:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed I've added a note next to his English name with his name in other relevant languages. Thanks for pointing this out. Carlstak (talk) 14:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

The papal interregnum

Pope Innocent VIII's article says:

• The inscription below his tomb in Saint Peter's states: "Nel tempo del suo Pontificato, la gloria della scoperta di un nuovo mondo" (transl. "During his Pontificate, the glory of the discovery of a new world."). Writer Ruggero Marino, in his book Cristoforo Colombo e il Papa tradito (transl. Christopher Columbus and the betrayed Pope) argues that since Innocent died shortly before the departure of Christopher Columbus on his presumedly first voyage over the Atlantic, this suggests that Columbus actually traveled before the known date and re-discovered the Americas for the Europeans before the supposed date of 12 October 1492.

Innocent died on 25 July 1492. Columbus left for the New World on 3 August. The new pope Alexander VI was elected on 11 August. Is there anything in the literature about the significance of the date Columbus chose to leave, and the fact that is was in the midst of an interregnum? And could that be connected to the para I quoted above? I'd never heard any suggestion that his 1492 voyage to the New World was not in fact his first. What's on the record about Innocent VIII's involvement with Columbus? He's considered one of the weakest popes of the 15th century, and one modern-day critic calls him a "belligerent nonentity". But is there more to his story than meets the eye? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 12:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)