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Section sizes

Section size for Holodomor (46 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	6,839	6,839
Etymology	4,152	4,152
History	14	83,761
Scope and duration	4,985	4,985
Causes	3,967	24,618
Low harvest	1,254	1,254
Collectivization, procurements, and the export of grain	6,378	6,378
Discrimination and persecution of Ukrainians	11,618	11,618
Peasant resistance	1,401	1,401
Regional variation	1,862	1,862
Repressive policies	683	23,772
Preceding the famine	7,675	7,675
During the famine	9,576	9,576
Near the end of and after the famine	5,838	5,838
Torgsin system	1,865	1,865
Cannibalism	2,929	2,929
Ukrainians in other republics	642	6,533
Kuban and the North Caucasus of Russia	5,312	5,312
Kazakhstan	579	579
Aftermath and immediate reception	1,933	1,933
Death toll	15,250	15,250
Genocide question	8,070	8,070
Soviet and Western denial and downplay	2,406	2,406
In modern politics	6,780	29,191
Government recognition of Holodomor	22,411	22,411
Remembrance	154	21,909
Ukraine	4,549	4,549
Germany	1,484	1,484
Canada	5,136	5,136
Poland	1,453	1,453
United States	6,329	6,329
On film	1,281	1,281
Vatican City	532	532
Holodomor memorials	991	991
In culture and the arts	29	2,148
Cinema	1,165	1,165
Literature	845	845
Theatre	109	109
See also	711	711
Notes	9,904	9,904
References	35	35
Bibliography	105,091	105,091
Further reading	150	23,562
Declarations and legal acts	406	406
Books and articles	23,006	23,006
External links	6,759	6,759
Total	304,538	304,538

we cannot derive this information from census data ourselves

User:HandThatFeeds you have reverted my edition[1] saying "we cannot derive this information from census data ourselves", despite this information "between 1926 and 1939, the Ukrainian population increased by only 6.6%, whereas Russia and Belarus grew by 16.9% and 11.7% respectively" is derived from census data by yourselves. So if you have so much knowledge of wiki rules, find the information from reliable source and add it by yourself. Пинча (talk) 23:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW what about this information: [2] -- the article contains wrong numbers calculated by yourselves. So fix it too, please. Thank you. Пинча (talk) 23:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's indeed not OR, but covered by WP:CALC, which says: "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the results of the calculations are correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources." I have checked the calculation and it's correct. And it's also true that we already have other such calculations in the article, at least the cited sentence about population growth. So I think the sentence is a useful addition and can be restored. What do you think, HandThatFeeds? Gawaon (talk) 04:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that, but could do without the snark from @Пинча:. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 11:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I have now restored the edit. Gawaon (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Holodomor

Moved from User talk:Manyareasexpert § Holodomor

– ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I see you reverted my changes. The secondary source bringing the events into connection actually exists and it was mentioned as one of the reference but wasn't made the main thing (Timothy Snyder, "Covert Polish Missions Across the Soviet Ukrainian Border, 1928-1933", 2005). Would it be okay if I rework with making it more prominent and add the primary sources as additional justification, or should I not mention them at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krispe13 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I scrolled through Snyder and he has a chapter on the famine so adding him would be fine. I'm generally against adding something based on primary sources as the article is already pretty large by itself and we have lots of secondary sources covering the subject. So why use primary ones. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History section

History section is a mess. It has Scope and duration subsection (is it history?), Causes (same?), Death toll, Cannibalism? How to organize it better? I moved the last one down below meanwhile per the attention given to it by RSs. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revision as of 20:25, 8 September 2024 edit Manyareasexpert (talk \| contribs) Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers 3,085 edits →History section: new topic Tag: CD ← Previous edit		Revision as of 21:29, 8 September 2024 edit undo Manyareasexpert (talk \| contribs) Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers 3,085 edits m →History section: edit opening comment Tag: CD Next edit →
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	History section is a mess. It has Scope and duration subsection (is it history?), Causes (~~Same~~?), Death toll, Cannibalism? How to organize it better? I moved the last one down below meanwhile per the attention given to it by RSs. [[User:Manyareasexpert\|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert\|talk]]) 20:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)		History section is a mess. It has Scope and duration subsection (is it history?), Causes (same?), Death toll, Cannibalism? How to organize it better? I moved the last one down below meanwhile per the attention given to it by RSs. [[User:Manyareasexpert\|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert\|talk]]) 20:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)