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Previous legal cases

Do all of the previous legal cases refer to Pélicot? There are multiple defendants. Snowman304|talk 04:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one victim, and she has wanted to be publicly identified, and that's her name. The instigator who proffered the other defendants is also a person with that name, so whatever the individual defendant, they were involved with both Pélicots, one as the victim, and one as the facilitator. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate article

Support merging the articles, but also think the title should be more concisely written as "Mazan rapes", as the word "case" unnecessarily limits the article to the court proceedings and is too precise as the article is also about the rapes against the victim that were committed in Mazan. Additionally, the victim is a low-profile individual and, in some jurisdictions, details that can identify the victim of sexual offences are often subject to publication restrictions. WP:BLPCRIME also applies. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The victim has explicitly requested to be referred to by her full name in the press. Jean Abou Samra (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may be so, but Wikipedia is not a newspaper or news website, so editors should be mindful of the Wikipedia guideline too. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, the name is given in most of the sources and in some cases directly present in the newspaper article titles that are quoted in the reference footnotes, so I think there's no point in hiding it in the main article body. Jean Abou Samra (talk) 09:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is the title I am concerned about, not the content in the article. A rape victim's name should probably not appear in a Wikipedia article's title. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of edit by 49.157.46.143

Hi @Global Donald,

Would you mind explaining your rationale for https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mazan_rapes_case&diff=prev&oldid=1244321267 a bit more? I'm not seeing what exactly is problematic with the reverted edit.

Thanks! Jean Abou Samra (talk) 12:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 September 2024

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Mazan rapes case → Mazan rapes – As per Cameron Dewe, "the word 'case' unnecessarily limits the article to the court proceedings and is too precise as the article is also about the rapes against the victim that were committed in Mazan". RodRabelo7 (talk) 17:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject France, WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, and WikiProject Sexology and sexuality have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: As I made the original suggestion. The proposed title is also more concise and more natural without the word "case". Additionally, with many people charged, this is not one case, either, but numerous "cases". - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: As nomination, "case" is redundant as both "rape" and "case" are nouns. Also the French media have dubbed this "Viols de Mazan" (Mazan rapes).--Obi2canibe (talk) 14:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Cameron Dewe and Obi2canibe, especially given that French news sources have mostly used the phrase "Mazan rapes". CJ-Moki (talk) 22:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding list of co-accused?

Pages in other languages include a list of others standing trials in this case - either under their full names or using only initials, with a citation for each name included (https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cas_de_violaci%C3%B3_de_Masan https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_viols_de_Mazan)

I just cleaned up the list on French Wikipedia and would like to add it here, but wanted to check in first that this was allowed on English Wikipedia. E mln e (talk) 06:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Support''': As nomination, "case" is redundant as both "rape" and "case" are nouns. Also the French media have dubbed this "Viols de Mazan" (Mazan rapes).--[[Special:Contributions/Obi2canibe|Obi2canibe]] ([[User talk:Obi2canibe|talk)]] 14:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' per Cameron Dewe and Obi2canibe, especially given that French news sources have mostly used the phrase "Mazan rapes". [[User:CJ-Moki|CJ-Moki]] ([[User talk:CJ-Moki|talk]]) 22:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
+== Adding list of co-accused? ==
+Pages in other languages include a list of others standing trials in this case - either under their full names or using only initials, with a citation for each name included (https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cas_de_violaci%C3%B3_de_Masan https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_viols_de_Mazan)
+I just cleaned up the list on French Wikipedia and would like to add it here, but wanted to check in first that this was allowed on English Wikipedia. [[User:E mln e|E mln e]] ([[User talk:E mln e|talk]]) 06:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)