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Anti-Semitism

Given the backlash to the anti-Semitic posts on the FFF Instagram page that has been widely reported, a section on the controversy should be added. 2601:18C:9001:9B10:4CC2:BA0B:C0D0:82EE (talk) 15:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Before such an addition can be made, you need to present reliable sources for them. If it was "widely reported," that should not be difficult to provide. Also, one should take care that the statements were overtly antisemitic, and not just anti-Israel, or anti-Israeli government. While these are things that often overlap, they are not always synonymous. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is one source which is explaining big gap between FFF movement and Twitter account named FFF: https://www.juedische-allgemeine.de/allgemein/fridays-for-futures-tweets-against-israel/ Jirka Dl (talk) 19:54, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is worth noting that the Instagram page is stated to not be separate and unrecognized by the international movement. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 20:09, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent commentary in German daily Der Spiegel on pro‑Palestine positions by climate activists

Following the commencement of the recent Israel‑Palestine conflict on 7 October 2023, German daily Der Spiegel have run a series of articles examining the pro‑Palestine positions adopted by some prominent climate activists and organizations. As follows. These articles would also class as reliable secondary sources (see previous posting). The translated titles are unofficial.

Beyer et al (2023) on Greta Thunberg and her support for Palestine.^[1] Beyer and Schaible (2023) interview with Luisa Neubauer.^[2] Spiegel (2023) on Thunberg and Palestine where a Dutch protester took the microphone on stage and complained about the use of political opinion at a climate rally.^[3] Speigel (2023) on Fridays for Future.^[4] Schaible (2023) on Fridays for Future.^[5] Dachsel (2023) on Thunberg and Palestine.^[6]

References

^ Beyer, Susanne; Hoppenstedt, Max; Lehmann, Timo; Neufeld, Dialika; Petter, Jan; Rapp, Tobias (18 November 2023). "Die Greta-Frage: Ist Thunberg Antisemitin oder einfach nur naiv?" [The Greta question: Is Thunberg antisemitic or just naive?]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-19.
^ Beyer, Susanne; Schaible, Jonas (17 November 2023). "Wenn Greta Thunberg anruft, gehen Sie ran, Frau Neubauer? — Interview zu Antisemitismus bei Fridays for Future" [When Greta Thunberg calls, do you answer, Ms. Neubauer? — Interview on antisemitism at Fridays for Future]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-19.
^ Spiegel (12 November 2023). "Greta Thunberg ergreift erneut Partei für Palästinenser — Demoteilnehmer in Amsterdam empört" [Greta Thunberg once again takes sides with Palestinians — demonstrators in Amsterdam outraged]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.
^ Speigel (29 October 2023). "Fridays for Future: Luisa Neubauer geht auf Distanz zu globalem Netzwerk" [Fridays for Future: Luisa Neubauer distances herself from global network]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.
^ Schaible, Jonas (28 October 2023). "Fridays for Future: Das Ende der Klimabewegung, wie wir sie kennen" [Fridays for Future: the end of the climate movement as we know it]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.
^ Dachsel, Felix (24 October 2023). "Gaza-Posting der Umweltikone: Wie Greta Thunberg das Klima vergiftet" [Gaza posting by the environmental icon: how Greta Thunberg is poisoning the climate]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

Please comment below. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 15:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fridays for Future Sweden reorients to Gaza suffering

The Guardian newspaper published an opinion piece today, authored by Greta Thunberg and three researcher/activists affiliated with FFF Sweden.^[1] The linkage between the climate crisis and the suffering in Gaza by Israeli forces is presented as follows:

Advocating for climate justice fundamentally comes from a place of caring about people and their human rights. That means speaking up when people suffer, are forced to flee their homes or are killed — regardless of the cause.

From my observations, this change in focus is significant and substantial and not limited of FFF Sweden — and warrants coverage in this Wikipedia article at some future time.

^ Thunberg, Greta; Nilsson, Alde; Mater, Jamie; Frescia, Raquel (5 December 2023). "We won't stop speaking out about Gaza's suffering — there is no climate justice without human rights". The Guardian. London, United Kingdom. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2023-12-05.

I don't think there is a much of a case for covering antisemitism in the context of FFF on Wikipedia — at least, not based on what I have read and seen. But this reorientation in support for the Palestine cause is a clear theme within FFF nationally and internationally (as well as for a number of other climate activist groups and NGOs). Any thoughts perhaps? RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 09:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-Palestinian campaigning by youth climate activists

Two backgrounders provide substantial coverage on this theme: reporting in The Guardian.^[1] And in Der Spiegel international edition.^[2]

^ Niranjan, Ajit; Gayle, Damien; Lakhani, Nina (5 December 2023). "'No climate justice without peace': Gaza becomes flashpoint for climate activists". The Guardian. London, United Kingdom. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2023-12-05.
^ Beyer, Susanne; Hoppenstedt, Max; Lehmann, Timo; Neufeld, Dialika; Petter, Jan; Rapp, Tobias (17 November 2023). "A potential rift in the climate movement: what's next for Greta Thunberg?". Der Spiegel. Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-12-05. Website edition headed: "Has Greta Thunberg betrayed the climate movement?"

This is difficult and vexed material. What is clear is that a large part of the youth climate movement now devotes considerable effort to campaigning for the Palestinian cause in Gaza. The German article also tackles the question of antisemitism, understandable in light of its Nazi history. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 21:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thunberg's views on Palestine should be covered at articles on her. If the wider climate movement is making demands relating to Palestine then that does fit here. (I won't pretend to understand the phrase "No climate justice on occupied land!" but I'm sure there's a source that explains it.) It is not appropriate under BLP to accuse Thunberg of antisemitism for things she has not said, as Der Spiegel does. If she says "I support Hamas" then that's another matter. — Bilorv (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Thunberg does have a paragraph on her views on Palestine, search on "published an opinion piece". And the article on Luisa Neubauer covers her views on that general theme here. The German media also dig into the question of antisemitism in these contexts, but I've not seen any direct accusations in print. The matter of reorientation by substantial parts of the youth climate movement to support Palestinians in Gaza is noteworthy and may deserve coverage in this article at some future point. I am guessing that academic studies on that theme will appear in due course as well? RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 22:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BIPoC for Future

Just noting BIPoC (black, indigenous, people of color) for Future recently founded in Germany. Conduct a web search for details. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 September 2024

The request to rename this article to Fridays for Future has been carried out.

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School Strike for Climate → Fridays for Future – The naming here appears to be a bit of a head scratcher. It resembles a capitalised descriptive title, but is based on a literal transliteration of a phrase in Swedish once held up by Greta. And yet it was never the common name for the climate movement, which quickly adopted "Fridays for Future" as the WP:COMMONNAME for its international actions and campaigning. This is more than evident from Ngrams, which reveals a pretty wide gulf in respective usage. The FFF name is also now incredibly consistent in its usage by the organisation, down to the naming of its chapters, e.g. FFF Sweden, FFF Deutschland, etc., and it's also pretty descriptive, i.e. they protest on Fridays on issues related to the future. There appears to be comparatively little cause, if any, to use the current title, which rises to nothing even approaching a WP:COMMONNAME. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. FFF is WP:COMMONNAME. मल्ल (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I can barely find any sources that use the current title.

Shotgunheist ^💬 17:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom to maintain consistency. Alexius08 (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[beyer-etal-2023-1] Beyer, Susanne; Hoppenstedt, Max; Lehmann, Timo; Neufeld, Dialika; Petter, Jan; Rapp, Tobias (18 November 2023). "Die Greta-Frage: Ist Thunberg Antisemitin oder einfach nur naiv?" [The Greta question: Is Thunberg antisemitic or just naive?]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-19.

[beyer-and-schaible-2023-2] Beyer, Susanne; Schaible, Jonas (17 November 2023). "Wenn Greta Thunberg anruft, gehen Sie ran, Frau Neubauer? — Interview zu Antisemitismus bei Fridays for Future" [When Greta Thunberg calls, do you answer, Ms. Neubauer? — Interview on antisemitism at Fridays for Future]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-19.

[spiegel-2023-3] Spiegel (12 November 2023). "Greta Thunberg ergreift erneut Partei für Palästinenser — Demoteilnehmer in Amsterdam empört" [Greta Thunberg once again takes sides with Palestinians — demonstrators in Amsterdam outraged]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

[speigel-2023-4] Speigel (29 October 2023). "Fridays for Future: Luisa Neubauer geht auf Distanz zu globalem Netzwerk" [Fridays for Future: Luisa Neubauer distances herself from global network]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

[schaible-2023-5] Schaible, Jonas (28 October 2023). "Fridays for Future: Das Ende der Klimabewegung, wie wir sie kennen" [Fridays for Future: the end of the climate movement as we know it]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

[dachsel-2023-6] Dachsel, Felix (24 October 2023). "Gaza-Posting der Umweltikone: Wie Greta Thunberg das Klima vergiftet" [Gaza posting by the environmental icon: how Greta Thunberg is poisoning the climate]. Der Spiegel (in German). Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

[thunberg-etal-2023-7] Thunberg, Greta; Nilsson, Alde; Mater, Jamie; Frescia, Raquel (5 December 2023). "We won't stop speaking out about Gaza's suffering — there is no climate justice without human rights". The Guardian. London, United Kingdom. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2023-12-05.

[niranjan-etal-2023-8] Niranjan, Ajit; Gayle, Damien; Lakhani, Nina (5 December 2023). "'No climate justice without peace': Gaza becomes flashpoint for climate activists". The Guardian. London, United Kingdom. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2023-12-05.

[beyer-etal-2023-9] Beyer, Susanne; Hoppenstedt, Max; Lehmann, Timo; Neufeld, Dialika; Petter, Jan; Rapp, Tobias (17 November 2023). "A potential rift in the climate movement: what's next for Greta Thunberg?". Der Spiegel. Hamburg, Germany. ISSN 2195-1349. Retrieved 2023-12-05. Website edition headed: "Has Greta Thunberg betrayed the climate movement?"

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