Talk:Ionian mode

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Hi. I'm not a wikipedian, just someone who came to read an article and found it frightfully bad. I'm a person who knows a fair bit about music, I know what relative minor or secondary dominant are, I can explain to you why one might ever want a double sharp. But I couldn't make head nor tail out of this article. Having read it, I still can't tell you what the ionian mode is, other than that it is apparently quite similar to major mode (but how it differs remains a mystery). I cannot BELIEVE that someone put up an article about a mode without listing one single concrete example of that mode applied to a scale! If C is the tonic, WHAT ARE THE FRIGGING NOTES OF AN IONIAN SCALE????????? This article is apparently written only for people who already know modes inside and out. I am now going to get up and go in the other room and pull out my music dictionary and actually learn what the ionian mode is, since wikipedia has utterly failed me.

Project for Mode Articles: Standardization and Consolidation

The mode articles are a mess when taken together. The articles need to be standardized and some of the general information consolidated into the Musical mode article and removed from all the articles about specific modes.

a few specific propositions:

corresponding information

I think all the mode articles should have corresponding information in corresponding sections. For example, the intervals that define the mode should be given at say, somewhere near the top of the article in a section called "intervals" or something (whatever, as long as its standard for all articles and maximally descriptive). Also things like if the scale is "symmetric" or "asymmetiric" or whether its a "minor" or "major" scale should be all in one place (perhaps a table would be best for these things).

Information about modes in general

All information that is about modes in general (i.e. applies to all modes) should be moved to the Musical mode article, and not mentioned in the articles about specific modes (all articles should of course be linked to the general Musical mode article). Information about idiosyncratic properties of the modes then will be easier to find that way, and there will be no confused and redundant info (sorta like this paragraph).

Greek vs. modern terminology confusion'

Information about the confusion between the greek and modern terminology should stay in the Musical mode article, with a note at the top of each article--out of the main body--highlighting the terminology confusion (to eschew obfuscation). Perhaps there should be serperate disambiguable articles for the greek modes e.g. a article for Ionian (Greek Mode) and Ionian (Gregorian Mode).

avoiding articl style divergence with later editors not privy to the standardization project

As time passes, people who don't know about the effort to standardize the article no doubt will add information to the article in their own style, perhaps causing the articles to diverge in style over time. To avoid this, we can make a template to go at the top of each talk page that tells editors to keep in mind the style standardization (perhaps a project page--"metawiki pages" I think they are called--with a template and style explanation). Although this may not be that much of a problem, if the style is obvious and is suffieciently elegant to begin with.

Am I getting across the idea here? What do you guys think about such a project? I know there is a way to set up a wikiproject for this sort of thing, but I've never done it before. I'll look into how to do it. Any other ideas on how to make the articles fit better together? Any objections or improvements to the above suggestions? Brentt 09:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC) PS please respond and discuss at the Musical mode talk page

Hypionian

“ The twelfth mode was the plagal version of the Ionian mode, called Hypionian (under Ionian) ”

Shouldn't it be called "hypoionian", if it means "under ionian"? This is a random passerby's observations... could be a spelling mistake, I dunno... Kareeser|^Talk! 03:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)