Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini

Merge Suggestion

Suggest this article to be merged into Mahsa Amini Alternatively, the additional relevant information can be ported from Mahsa Amini to here (as this page has more information) and Mahsa Amini be marked for deletion while renaming this page. Wikiedits421 (talk) 16:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Change name priority

Does anyone understand just how disrespectful it is to be called by a name forced upon you to protect your freedom and then even after death to be referred to as that false, forced name rather than your true identity? Prioritise Jina before Mahsa. Show some respect. I honestly expected better from Wikipedia intellects. SolisKay (talk) 02:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Mahsa Amini into Death of Mahsa Amini

Opening a merge discussion with reference to the previous and unresolved informal thread at Talk:Mahsa_Amini#Merge to Death of Mahsa Amini. The content is duplicated across the two articles. The biography article emphasises that the subject was a "shy, reserved resident" of her hometown who avoided politics prior to her death, and contains details about anniversaries and memorials which are missing from the "death of" article. Belbury (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion (Proposed merge of Mahsa Amini into Death of Mahsa Amini)

• Oppose This article is already starting to get lengthy and I don't think merging in an article about a person who passes Wikipedia's notability guidelines in their own right is the right choice. TarnishedPath^talk 08:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  This article is currently 3200 words, falling below WP:SIZERULE. The anniversary and memorial content should definitely be in this article. If we replaced the current "Victim" section here with the "Early life" content from the biography article, that would only add around 300 extra words.

  Both the death and the subject are certainly notable, but per WP:BIO1E (and other "death of" articles on Wikipedia where the victim was not a prominent public figure prior to their death) we may not need two separate articles to reflect this. Belbury (talk) 08:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:BIO1E: "The general rule is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified" emphasis mine. There is sufficient coverage of both the individual and their role in bringing about subsequent protests as well as the event of her death itself to justify separate articles. TarnishedPath^talk 09:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see that media coverage of Mahsa Amini as an individual, unconnected to the event of her death, has grown over time. The biography article still only has a few sentences about her Kurdish name, her personality and her studies. Where her family have gone into greater detail about her politics and health, that is in response to government statements about her death.

  Mahsa Amini's role in the subsequent protests as an individual seems inseparable from the fact of her death. Belbury (talk) 10:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  There has continued to be coverage of her, her death and the protests/movement for change after her death. All three are notable topics.

  Fresh Iran sanctions two years after Mahsa Amini death

  Two years after the death of Mahsa Amini, a ‘quiet revolution’ is still under way in Iran

  Iran two years after Mahsa Amini's death

  Reflections on the Death of Mahsa Amini & the Irreversible Wave of Dissent in Iran | Wilson Center

  Two years on, honoring Mahsa Amini and the Iranian people’s fight for dignity - JNS.org

  Mahsa Amini: Women's social media posts risking punishment in Iran

  As the world's attention focuses on a regional war, Iran's women are fighting a 'quiet revolution'

  Two years on, Iran may have stifled Mahsa Amini unrest, but dissidence remains - Al-Monitor: The Middle Eastʼs leading independent news source since 2012

  Women in Iran are going without hijabs as the 2nd anniversary of Mahsa Amini's death approaches

  Mahsa Amini: Iran responsible for 'physical violence' leading to death, UN says

  Mahsa Amini died in Iran police custody 1 year ago. What's changed since then — and what hasn't? - CBS News

  Mahsa Amini, the Kurdish-Iranian woman who died in police custody, is awarded EU human rights prize

  Five things to know about the legacy of Mahsa Amini | Chatham House – International Affairs Think Tank

  Mahsa Amini's family banned from leaving Iran to collect top human rights award

  Sakharov Prize: Parliament honours Jina Mahsa Amini and Iranian women protesters | News | European Parliament

  Who was Mahsa Amini, whose death sparked Iran protests?

  Mahsa Amini: The Spark That Ignited A Women-Led Revolution

  https://www.npr.org/2023/12/10/1218439893/iran-blocks-mahsa-aminis-family-from-collecting-a-human-rights-prize-in-her-name

  Mahsa Amini remembered by Sakharov Freedom Prize

  Jina Mahsa Amini and Iranian women protest movement win the 2023 Sakharov Prize | News | European Parliament

  Mahsa Amini honoured with EU’s top human rights prize

  Mahsa Amini awarded EU's Sakharov human rights prize

  Iran bans Mahsa Amini’s family from traveling to receive the European Union’s top human rights prize

  Mahsa Amini’s name is ‘secret code for freedom’ says mother as EU presents award TarnishedPath^talk 10:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support there is several overlapping paragraphs including the family,

death and early life. If both pages are merged it will be not necessarily bigger. Shadow4dark (talk) 15:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both article are notable and have there own contents which are related directly to them. It is quite natural some paragraphs be overlapping because of the nature of the subjects. It is wondering why some users want to merge these articles but there are same articles in Wikipedia like George Floyd and Murder of George Floyd and those users are not interested to merge them or even providing discussion for it. However theses articles are related to political matters in Middle east and maybe some people who are in the opposite side want to merge these articles but Wikipedia has it's own rules. ThanksAlijenabH (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)