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Tim Pool edits

MP, I would suggest raising your concerns related to the Pool article on the talk page. I think your concerns may be valid but probably need to be translated into Wiki policy/guideline based arguments. Also, consider that rephrasing material is likely easier for other editors to accept vs removal. It would be helpful if those who oppose your changes would give better reasons but since you are the person making a change from the stable version of the text, per Wiki policy the burden to get consensus falls on you, not them. One final thing, and I haven't see you do this so this is only a heads up, when posting on the talk page be sure to stick to the facts of the article, not the editors. If, as an example, you think a sentence comes off as biased or not-IMPARTIAL, then say, "this sentence is not impartial". Don't say, "[editor] is trying to disparage Pool" or "[editor] is pushing a biased POV". My feeling is the Rittenhouse material has enough references to make it hard to remove as UNDUE though I'm not 100% there. You could run a RfC but it would take a better argument than just, "biased". Springee (talk) 13:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee:I appreciate the head's up. I actually do not think that I had run afoul of some of the specifics you mentioned, although I have others. I also am not an expert on the Wikipedia rulebook, which puts me behind the 8 ball. Either way, being reverted by an editor who gives a reason which is blatantly false on its face by any definition (such as claiming that I had pegged NBC as "NRS", which anyone can see is false) is more than a little irritating. I spend considerable time figuring out how to improve an article, only to have someone revert it without spending even a moment figuring out what he is doing. If nothing else, such behavior is amazingly rude.

Whatever. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, as they openly admit, but we shouldn't have bad actors actively trying to undermine the work of those who are actually trying to make WP into something useful. Matza Pizza (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I understand the frustration. It's always best when someone reverting a change that includes a long edit note/justification replies in kind. Still, the burden is on you, not them. I would suggest starting a specific talk page topic. Try to lay out the issues you see and also try to find a compromise solution. Springee (talk) 14:00, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee:I did create a Talk page about this topic - it's the one we have all been writing on. I started it after disputing the reliability of the Tim Pool article. But yeah, it is what it is. Certain editors - not naming any names now - have earned a reputation of wholesale reversions based upon an a mix of arrogance, nastiness, and unrecognized bias. I probably need my head examined for spending as much time on editing as I have to begin with, considering that there are those who get off on destroying others' work without valid reason. My getting worked up this morning is a sign that I should remove myself from such matters for a while. Matza Pizza (talk) 14:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest reverting the edit where you say "violent protesters". Just as it's problematic to imply Rittenhouse was acting in someway other than self defense, we shouldn't imply the protesters were violent. My personal opinion is the first one was acting aggressive and provoking but I hadn't seen him do anything that would qualify as violent. It's easy to make a case that the other two were acting in good faith to detain someone fleeing the scene of a crime. Flip it around and say, if they had all lived could a legal case be made against them? For the latter two, one who did live, I would say no. Springee (talk) 16:14, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee:Fair enough. Problem is, I'm exhausted, and not everyone is trying to work this out satisfactorally the way that you are. Can you figure out a way to lighten the accusatory tone against Rittenhouse - and by extension, Pool - while reversing my edit? I have slept a whopping 45 minutes in the last 24+ hours, and I need to get some shut eye.

Since you have been so friendly, helpful, and accomodating, I will ask you to come up with something to make the paragraph more appropriate. And if you can't, and just simply revert it to the hang-Rittenhouse version? As long as it comes from you, I'll feel a lot better about it. But hopefully you can find something - anything - to change the horribly unfair tone used to describe Rittenhouse's actions.

Thank you, as always. Matza Pizza (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee:I goofed up the ping just above, thus again demonstrating that my WP technical skills are around on the level of my proficiency in computers. It isn't good :) Matza Pizza (talk) 16:32, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I don't have a good suggestion on Rittenhouse but do revert those. It shows good faith on your part and that your intent isn't to edit war (wp:3RR). FYI, and perhaps you already know this, if someone types something in all caps like BOLD, that means they are referencing a policy/guideline/other page. So BOLD references wp:BOLD. If you use the search bar and type "BOLD" you will get Emphasis (typography). Including "wp:" in front tells the system you are looking for a wikipedia page, not an article page. Anyway, the problem you are going to run into is that page is politically contentious. As such we all have to be on good behavior and follow the rules. What are the rules you might ask, well they are "the rules". You just have to learn them... but they aren't really written down in some easy to use place. They are a mix of policy pages, guideline pages, essays etc. I think a lot of potentially good editors leave because they see something wrong, try to fix it, get thwarted by a seasoned editor who may not be "correct" but knows how to navigate Wikipedia and gets the troublesome newbe branded a POV pusher or similar. Net result more entrenchment, less diversity of views. A good rule of thumb that an admin taught me is only 1 revert per day. See the 3RR link to understand what counts as a revert and understand that multiple changes back to back only count as 1 change. Hope that helps. Springee (talk) 16:40, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee:I will follow your suggestion because it came from you. Yes, it seems obvious that some people give up on trying to contribute to Wikipedia, because it can be made utterly maddening by those who would prefer to bully instead of raise up and cooperate - and I suspect the overlap rate for that group and those who fail to recognize their own biases is very high. Yes, if there was a print version of the WP Constitution and Guidelines, I would want to acquire it. Learning by jumping around to different pages on my computer is not quite my thing. Matza Pizza (talk) 16:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

In defense of those people, they often aren't bullying so much as they can be frustrated. Some articles are non-stop battle grounds. Some level of compromise is reached then a new editor adds/removes something where a compromised was carefully reached and it frustrates the experienced editors. Wikipedia has a good page about assuming good faith wp:AGF. It's helpful on both sides. Honestly, the best way to learn is to work on non-controversial topics first. Still, if you are going to work on the hard stuff, it's best do most of your work on the talk pages vs editing first. Springee (talk) 16:53, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee: I appreciate your giving everyone the benefit of the doubt; the world would be a better place if that were common practice. As to me, I have a pre-history encountering the occasional overbearing administrator. The situation you described is different than some of what I once experienced in a previous lifetime, before I set up my account. As is the case with Tim Pool, some folks helicopter in with no background and little-to-no understanding, and use their status to bully others. Even a small number of such types can ruin the experience for a large number of people. Matza Pizza (talk) 17:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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@BeenAroundAWhile:Yeah, I've gotten a bit spare with my edit summaries, haven't I? In a previous lifetime, I used to write things like "improved grammar and readability" again and again, until I noticed that no one else seems to bother when it is that obvious. So I switched to explaining only when it wasn't obvious, aka when I am not fixing a typo or improving grammar and readibility. Matza Pizza (talk) 12:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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Why are you picking on Abby Phillip? She is a successful journalist, and her page should properly reflect her career. I upgraded her article to show her accomplishments up front, and carefully hewed to Wikipedia's rules as I did so. I don't know why you are trying to downgrade her career. Matza Pizza (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth Holtzman

Hello, you have added unsourced and unnecessary information to Elizabeth Holtzman. "Holtzman's parents immigrated from Russia. Her father was a trial lawyer, her mother the head of Hunter College's Russian department. Her twin brother, Robert, was a neurosurgeon." is left unsourced. "Holtzman is very reticent to discuss her personal life. She has a reputation of being intellectual and somewhat aloof." is an unnecessary statement. The rest of the "personal life" section is already mentioned within the article. Jon698 (talk) 01:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Read the source I provided: Every word of it is in there. Certainly the information I added is relevant, such as the results of the election in which she ran for the Senate. Why would you revert that? You have made baseless and biased edits and accusations against me, thus violating Wikipedia's rules. If you are unable to edit an article without lying and without bias, you need to leave the article alone and let others address it.

Matza Pizza (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Some of the content you added was copied from The Washington Post, and thus was a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Please don't add copyright material to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 00:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, do I know you? I grew up in Massapequa, NY, and back in the 60's my mother "renamed" it Matzahpizza because of the large Jewish and Italian American populations there. Or is your choice of handle just a coincidence? AlexFeldman (talk) 10:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

My name is indeed a reference to Massapequa. I have no idea who nicknamed it thus, or whether or not your mom is the only one who has staked that claim, but yes, the idea is that it was populated by a mix of Jewsand Italians.

No, you don't me, sorry. But thank you for reaching out. Matza Pizza (talk) 06:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

PS - It's a long way from LI to Boise. Matza Pizza (talk) 06:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• I meant to write that you don't KNOW me, but skipped that rather important word, "know". Whoops. Matza Pizza (talk) 06:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Bare URL refs

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It's great that you are expanding articles and adding references ... but please please please can you fill the references using {{cite web}}? The WP:Bare URLs which you add (e.g [1]) are obscure to readers and prone to WP:Linkrot.

You shouldn't be leaving problems like this for other editors to clean up after you. For help on how to fill a citation, see WP:HOWTOCITE, and {{cite web}}. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I can try, but I'm dense at anything that involves knowledge of tech. Since seeing your note to me, I have only made a single edit in which I needed to add a source, as I find the whole process intimidating. I know that scaring me off of making future edits is certainly not your intention, but I'm afraid that has been the effect nonetheless. Presumably I'll get the hang of it at some point. I do wish there would be a 'printed' handbook of all of Wikipedia's rules, instead of online explanations, with links and crossreferences going simultaneously in 1000 directions. I'm lousy at trying to figure that stuff out. But anyway, I appreciate your reaching out. I can't imagine what it's like to make literally millions of edits. Matza Pizza (talk) 18:55, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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hi, this Jayity. You removed my edit citing Brock Purdy's nickname as Mr. Relevant. I think you're a little arrogant removing my edit when you clearly misread what I wrote. Purdy WAS nicknamed that, and you thought I said Mr. Irrelevant, which is the general nickname for last picks. Thus, I will be adding that edit back, and you will be reported if you remove it again. Have a great day. Jayity (talk) 15:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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This is sourced and I provided a source that backed it up. It seems that my editing permissions have been removed entirely anyway. So much for assuming good faith. You'd do a lot better if you'd admit that you misread what I wrote. Your deletion message talks about how I misused "Mr. Irrelevant" which you'd know isn't true if you read it properly. Jayity (talk) 17:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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What does "on a peg" mean? [2] Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 12:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Standard baseball language for a good, hard, accurate throw.

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