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Tim Sheehy (businessman)

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This is actually a second AFD. The outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Sheehy (American politician) was a strong consensus to redirect, with two "delete"s and no "keep"s. This new article was created as a redirect to the same target [1], on the grounds that in the Timothy Sheehy disambiguation page he's "not a politician yet". Another editor came along a week later and recreated the last article from that new redirect. A Google search for him, minus the word "Senate", turns up no significant coverate in reliable sources as a businessman or a soldier. The US is now three weeks away from a national election, and all of the major candidates are getting heavy press coverage. db-repost was declined, and the declining admin took a straw poll of editors from the last AFD at Talk:Tim Sheehy (businessman), and all have upheld the last consensus so far. So this article should be deleted, as it's really a renamed repost of Tim Sheehy (American politician). If Sheehy wins, then that article should obviously be un-redirected and expanded. Wikishovel (talk) 13:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Politicians, Military, and Montana. Wikishovel (talk) 13:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Draftify Sheehy does not have sufficient notability as a political candidate and businessman; Sheehy has never held public office. Should Sheehy win, we can make the draft an article. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 17:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not voting on this AfD but this does make far more sense, to throw my own two cents in here, since he does have potential to become notable very soon. Don't delete the draft with such a high probability of him being elected within the next 3 weeks and 2 days. EytanMelech (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per Wikishovel. Sheehy is not independently notable from Bridger Aerospace, nor does he pass WP:NPOL just by being a candidate for political office. Keep the redirect to the 2024 Senate campaign. If he ends up winning in November, we can re-assess notability then. Bkissin (talk) 17:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Restore redirect to 2024 United States Senate election in Montana Obvious and open consensus rounding, especially with a different article title, is unacceptable. Nate • (chatter) 21:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Restore redirect >>> 2024 United States Senate election in Montana. Djflem (talk) 07:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep.

There are likely thousands of undecided voters in Montana who don't know much about Sheehy, so they'll be coming on Wikipedia to look up information on him. Why would we disenfranchise them by deleting his page???

This is not like Delaware's senate race where it won't matter. This is a major senate race where almost every outlet says Sheehy is favored. It would seem that by deleting this page and denying valuable information to voters, it means you're seeking to help his opponent win. I had no idea Wikipedia was a partisan site seeking to help one candidate win by making the other seem less serious, but here we see i suppose? 2601:CF:0:9A0:B227:9473:F80D:C5D5 (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC) — 2601:CF:0:9A0:B227:9473:F80D:C5D5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 2601:CF:0:9A0:B227:9473:F80D:C5D5 (UTC).

Please see WP:ITSIMPORTANT. Wikishovel (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep - He is a candidate for US Senate from Montana. Putting aside my belief that this even in itself merits an article creation, he has additionally been covered in a lot of sources, both local and national and even international. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Zlad! (talk) 03:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

KEEP

Tim Sheehy is a major party candidate in a Senate race with major national attention. This race has received millions in spending on advertising, and voters in Montana deserve easy access to basic information on the candidates running in their race. It should also be noted that in an extremely contentious and likely close election, Tim Sheehy is the most likely of any Senate candidate to flip a seat. There are pages for far less notable figures who stood no chance of winning. There seems to be no reason to delete his page except for partisanship.Is — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooter3 (talk • contribs)

I'm not American, and the outcome of this election means nothing to me, so partisanship (and an anonymous poster above accused me of the same) is not the problem here. As for pages about less notable people, please see WP:WHATABOUTX. Wikishovel (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Strong keep He is ahead in the polls, and is pretty likely to be Montana's next senator. Why delete? Im a democrat myself, and I think that thousands of undecided voters will look at both pages. Wikipedia shouldnt be biased, especially in a major tossup election. Lukt64 (talk) 03:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:ITSIMPORTANT. It's true that he's ahead in the polls, and if he does win, then as I said in my nomination at the top, Tim Sheehy (American politician) should be unredirected and expanded. Wikishovel (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and restore the redirect. I have absolutely no idea why this was restored, as people notable for just being candidates have no presumptive notability. SportingFlyer T·C 04:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep I've always believed being a major party nominee for federal office should be noteworthy enough to have an article. AvRand (talk) 07:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, but the consensus at WP:NPOL from a far higher number of editors than you and I decided otherwise. Wikishovel (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

NPOL states: Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline.. Djflem (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep As the creator of the page (as well as a Democrat living in Montana), I believe that he is, without question, notable enough for Wikipedia, even if he loses. If he wins, I would probably be in favor of moving the page to Tim Sheehy (American politician) or a new page titled Tim Sheehy (senator). If he loses, I still believe he's notable enough for a Wikipedia page because he founded Bridger Aerospace and was a former Navy SEAL. MontanaMako (talk) 15:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOTINHERITED: articles about heads of notable companies regularly get redirected, if they're not notable independently of the company. Not meeting guidelines for notability still applies, even if notability is claimed for three separate things. Wikishovel (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep His aerospace company has a Wikipedia article because it's notable, and he has had numerous articles written about him as a candidate in one of the two most important Senate races of 2024 (Montana and Ohio, since West Virginia is guaranteed to flip after Manchin left). Bill Williams 20:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOTINHERITED: articles about heads of notable companies regularly get redirected, if they're not notable independently of the company. Wikishovel (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - In Nevada, the Republican nominee, Sam Brown, has his own wikipedia page. It was created when he first ran for Senate in 2022. Before then, he never ran for office, he was only a military captain. Tim Sheehy is the same thing - He has never held office before and was just a navy seal and CEO of a company. However, being a nominee of what is probably the most important Senate race this year, he deserves an article to inform interested Americans more about him. 2600:1017:B8BC:A39A:4D4F:D187:2698:4225 (talk) 00:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC) — 2600:1017:B8BC:A39A:4D4F:D187:2698:4225 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please see WP:WHATABOUTX and WP:ITSUSEFUL. If Sam Brown is judged to fail Wikipedia's guidelines for notability, then that article should also be nominated for deletion. Wikishovel (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep based on coverage that he received prior to filing for candidacy. Calwatch (talk) 21:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Calwatch: can you provide some examples please? In a search for his name, excluding the word "Senate", the coverage in reliable sources is quite poor. Wikishovel (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

A search earch with navy seal, Bridger Aerospace, Mudlsingers, Afghanistan, or any of a number of combinations will provide many many hits and articles about Sheehy, so whats the purpose of the suggestion? Djflem (talk) 06:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect >>> Bridger Aerospace, the company he founded.Djflem (talk) 06:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Non-elected status is not an exclusionary measure, consensus is that candidates are not presumed notability, not that they are presumed non-notable. There are many exceptions and this may be one of them. Djflem (talk) 07:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)