Talk:Keffiyeh

Arafat's wasn't traditional

The main article says:

It would later become a trademark symbol of Yasser Arafat, who was rarely seen without a keffiyeh. Arafat would wear the keffiyeh in the traditional manner, around the head and wrapped by an egal, but he also wore in the neckline of his military fatigues.

Granted the tail end isn't grammatical enough to know how to even correct... However, I've heard that Arafat's keffiyeh was unique: he always wore a split in the front (even visible in the photo on this page) to symbolize the divide between the West Bank and Gaza. Since I heard that a decade (or two) ago I've always found this detail to draw my attention when I see pictures of him or of other keffiyehs.

I'm not going to make this edit myself, but I'm sure that the words "traditional manner" are therefore inaccurate.

Palestinian national symbol

On 12 December 2023 Fgnievinski added at the beginning of the Palestinian national symbol section "This section duplicates the scope of other articles, specifically Palestinian keffiyeh. Please discuss this issue and help introduce a summary style to the section by replacing the section with a link and a summary or by splitting the content into a new article.". About a minute later at Talk:Palestinian keffiyeh#Duplication) Fgnievinski added "Section Keffiyeh#Palestinian national symbol duplicates Palestinian keffiyeh. Thus, the former should be merged in the latter. A summary could be left behind, in summary style.".

In March at Talk:Palestinian keffiyeh#Duplication) Alitheboss55 replied "I think this article should be merged with the main Keffiyeh article. as this article describes the same pieace of clothing but is only referencing its significance in Palestinian culture, it does not need its own article and should be part of the main article".

There doesn't appear to have been any discussion here. Mcljlm (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Please don't duplicate the discussion about the duplication of content; kindly keep the discussion centralized at Talk:Palestinian_keffiyeh#Duplication. Thanks. fgnievinski (talk) 01:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

In your note Fgnievinski you wrote "Please discuss this issue" without indicating discussion should take place at Talk:Palestinian_keffiyeh#Duplication. It cannot be assumed that everyone seeing it will assume the discussion is at Palestinian keffiyeh; it didn't occur to me and I only came across your section there by chance a while after starting this section. If the section here is merged with Palestinian_keffiyeh there'll not be any indication here that the matter was discussed. Mcljlm (talk) 14:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Dead Link, archived here:

Please update the Bram reference with the following archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20231201140959/https://blog.nli.org.il/en/hoi_keffiyeh/ --Scharb (talk) 19:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit request: interesting references

Ancient Hebrew depicted on Egyptian stele wearing a similar garment

The 1903 Encyclopaedia Biblica by Cheyne and Black mentions the Kefiyyeh in the "Turban" article, noting that such a head-covering was worn by Shishak's Hebrew Prisoner at Karnak. (shown)

An 1898 travel guide to Syria and Palestine recommends purchasing and tying a keffiyeh under the hat because it "protects the neck and cheeks admirably from the sun" and notes that its popularity in Damascus in a yellow and red striped variety.

The popularity of the red-and-yellow keffiyeh is also mentioned in the 1893 Cyclopedia Biblica by McClintock and Strong.

According to the 1877 Dictionary of the Bible by Smith, the modern kefiyyeh has a possible biblical predecessor found in Ezekiel 13:18 "mispachot" but equivocates that translations vary and the word may refer to a different type of veil.

Cook's Tourists Handbook for Palestine mentions that the traveler to the Silk Bazaar in Damascus might wish to purchase "one of those gay head-dresses that has charmed them so often in Palestine"

"Sudra" in the Bible has sometimes been translated as "Keffiyeh".

Beaumont, in his 1868 travelogue "Desert Wanderings," expresses he must praise this "most invaluable article of costume for the country and climate," pining, "even here in England, in some of our July days, I have, when confined to the more conventional hat, sighed for the more useful and, some may think, more graceful keffiyeh."

I searched on Google N-gram Finder to find the earliest available instances of the word "keffiyeh," before it was politicized, and the results were very interesting. --Scharb (talk) 21:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Scharb (talk) 21:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)