Talk:Abraham Lincoln

Most Oates citations fail verification

The brief of this is that most of the Oates 1974 references seem like they're not supported by the book listed in the Bibliography and what my preliminary explorations were into what the proper citations might be.

I was able to find a (probably) different version of Responses of the Presidents to Charges of Misconduct available in the Internet Archive, with the Lincoln section between pages 97 and 107. Further, I found that the scope of the text was limited to just actions taken while president based on p. xxviii.

Most of the citations don't seem supported like they could ever be supported in text by this Oates book, since they are things that happened before Lincoln became President. The only one that seemed related was citation 207 Oates 1974, p. 115. which is largely supported by pages 99–101 of the archive copy, though I don't see anything about a telegraph.

I kinda wonder whether these citations are from some other Stephen B. Oates book and just cited as Oates 1974 instead? I did notice in this diff that both {{sfn|Oates|1974|p=226}}, {{sfn|Oates|1974|pp=15–17}} were introduced, replacing ref names that referred to Oates1994, but the other Oates sfns that were introduced in this change were originally named either Oates1974 or "Oates1974", so I don't know what their deal is.

<ref name=Oates1994>{{Cite book|url={{google books |plainurl=y |id=Dqti86cewuYC}}|title=With Malice Toward None: The Life of Abraham Lincoln|last=Oates|first=Stephen B.|date=June 30, 2009|publisher=Harper Collins|isbn=9780061952241}}</ref> is what those two citations used to refer to, but I don't know whether this is the right version of the book, nor how to cite it (it's odd that it was referred to as Oates1994 even though the google book is from 2009 and it was originally published in 1977). I do know that it's available on the archive though it has a different ISBN.

Anyways, that leaves 5 Oates citations that I can't explain, namely 83, 89, 119, 130, and 152 as of this revision. GrapesRock (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Tom Hanks?

While it is good trivia, I'm not sure what relevance there is to pointing out Lincoln's familial relationship (citation?) to Tom Hanks. It might be relevant to point out that Hanks is related to Lincoln on Hanks page, but on Lincoln's it should maybe be a "fun fact". Just my opinion, I'll leave it to the experts (Doris Kearns Goodwin, where are you?) to sort out. Chris van Hasselt (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)