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Change "United States of America" to "United States" 4.39.220.106 (talk) 18:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done _signed,Willondon (talk) 18:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

British English

No mention of MLE or estruary English? MLE in particular is spreading to many cities in England. Definitely worth a mention. Bigbotnot2 (talk) 20:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable examples of Norse influence

"Other core Norse loanwords include "give", "get", "sky", "skirt", "egg", and "cake", typically displacing a native Anglo-Saxon equivalent."

How is "give" a Norse loanword, when it is common all over the West Germanic languages? (Dutch and Low German "geven", High German "geben" etc.) "skirt" (with a shifted meaning) can also be found in German "Schürze", probably stemming from Middle Low German schörte, from Old Saxon skurtia!

"cake" is "Kuchen" in German.

Granted, some originally used West Germanic words might have been given up and later re-introduced via Norse words of the same etymology...94.219.14.131 (talk) 02:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Pretty easily:

skirt and shirt are cognate doublets, but are of Norse and Anglo-Saxon origin respectively.
give displaced its Anglo-Saxon doublet, which fell out of use as yiven during the Middle English period

And so on. Remsense诉 02:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

External link

Will the following link be accepted: Free English Grammar and Vocabulary Lessons? תיל"ם (talk) 04:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not appropriate to include. This article's main goal is describing English and explaining characteristics about it, not teaching the language. The external links currently on the article are for giving more information describing English that cannot be included in the text of the article (namely, archives of sound recordings). IndigoManedWolf (talk) 05:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent figures

The lead section mentions >2 billion total speakers, whereas the infobox states that there are less than 1.5 billion. Sure, there are countless organizations publishing figures, each with their own way of estimating and different definitions of someone being able to speak English. However, I think the figures presented in the lead section and infobox should at least be the same, perhaps - if necessary - with a note or link to a subsection in which it is explained why there are such large ranges in estimates. Maxeto0910 (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While the scholars with the 2 billion figure are recognizable to me, it's clear they were not really rigorous in the journal cited. I've switched the lead figure to Ethnologue. Remsense ‥ 论 00:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Instrumental case

The reference to the instrumental case being lost in the Middle English period is surely wrong. This case was largely lost already in Old English. Does the author mean the dative? 86.190.145.222 (talk) 20:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. In Quebec, French is the sole official language. English is not official, and has no status in that province. Kindly update the map and shade Quebec a very light blue, and not the current blue it is. Thanks 2605:8D80:502:A954:7880:F88:64E7:930A (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done English is an administrative language in Quebec, which is also included in the map. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zd 2403:6200:8890:5758:D8D4:2B02:4BD2:79C8 (talk) 18:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Thanks [[Special:Contributions/2605:8D80:502:A954:7880:F88:64E7:930A|2605:8D80:502:A954:7880:F88:64E7:930A]] ([[User talk:2605:8D80:502:A954:7880:F88:64E7:930A|talk]]) 23:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
 :{{not done}} English is an administrative language in Quebec, which is also included in the map. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 20:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
+Zd [[Special:Contributions/2403:6200:8890:5758:D8D4:2B02:4BD2:79C8|2403:6200:8890:5758:D8D4:2B02:4BD2:79C8]] ([[User talk:2403:6200:8890:5758:D8D4:2B02:4BD2:79C8|talk]]) 18:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)