Talk:Bush White House email controversy

Proposed merger into Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy

This is an article about a domain name, which really is a minor footnote to the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. It's not at all unusual for organizations to have domain names that are used for email only. howcheng {chat} 19:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you badly misunderstand what's going on here. See this article: [1] Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 03:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I get it. The use of an RNC-hosted email server is the significant thing, not the actual domain name of the email server itself. That's why gwb43.com doesn't deserve an article. howcheng {chat} 06:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, but it shouldn't be merged into an unrelated controversy. This article applies to Abramoff, too. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 17:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's safe to call this proposed merger dead. -- Yellowdesk 01:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources for expanding on this article

Perhaps some of the content from these can be incorporated here. -- Yellowdesk 04:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

• Stolberg, Sherl Gay Missing E-Mail May Be Related to Prosecutors New York Times' April 13, 2007. Retrieved April 13, 2007.

• Loven, Jennifer (Associated Press) Bush aides' use of GOP e-mail probed The Boston Globe, April 11, 2007. Retrieved April 13, 2007.

• BBS News Karl Rove RNC Emails Missing Prior to 2005 April 12, 2007. Retrieved April 13, 2007.

• Hamburger, Tom Party-issued laptops now a White House headache Los Angeles Times April 9, 2007. Retrieved April 13, 2007. 24.41.39.124 06:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merger of 2007 White House email controversy into Gwb43.com

• Against A more general title would be better, something like: Bush administration email controversy, if it rises to "controversy."
  The domain gwb43 is merely one aspect of this story. Better would be to rename this article, and have a redirect pointing to the renamed version of gwb43.com. -- Yellowdesk 14:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

And I proprose the move/change in name below. -- Yellowdesk 19:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I support the merger after gwb43.com has a better name. -- Yellowdesk 00:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

As the nominator of the merge, I agree with this. Quadpus 01:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment the e-mail thingy is not limited to one controversy. We have disappearing e-mails in Abromoff, Plame and now attorneygate. Either somebody is utterly incompetent or it is evidence of something more sinister . Nomen Nescio^{Gnothi seauton} 15:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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• I merged all of the information that was not redundant. Someone can check it over. I'll turn 2007 White House email controversy into a redirect in a week or so, unless someone gets to it sooner. -- Yellowdesk 17:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me Quadpus 18:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I went ahead and converted it into a redirect. Just in case anyone wants to see the history, here's how to get at the page:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=2007_White_House_email_controversy&redirect=no

-- Yellowdesk 02:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed move to "Bush Administration email controversy" or another name.

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Result of the move discussion was move to: Bush White House e-mail controversy -- Yellowdesk 11:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)}}

Originally proposed new name: Bush administration email controversy.
Revised proposed name Bush White House e-mail controversy
The result would cause gwb43.com to continue to live on, and redirect to the new name.

This method of operations at the White House and Administration seems not yet to be quite a controversy, but I cannot think of a better word.
A proposal for a better name is invited. Meanwhile, I'll start the conversation with this particular new name proposal.
The topic covered with this article is bigger than the domain name, "gwb43.com", since it touches on:

1. several embarassing episodes or controversies,
2. the inability of the Bush administration to provide requested documents and communications in response to Congressional subpeona or request
3. potential violations of the Hatch Act and of the
4. Presidential Records Act as well.

-- Yellowdesk 18:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussion:

1. E-mail should be hyphenated in this request, to correspond with the title of the e-mail article. Dekimasuよ! 12:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

This can be handled with a redirect. I have not typed "E" "DASH" "MAIL" in years, and there are a lot of others that don't either. That article redirects from "email" as well. -- Yellowdesk 16:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

1. I thought the controversy only had to do with people working at the White House, not for the rest of the Cabinet. If that's the case, then it should be "Bush White House" and not "Bush Administration". Joeldl 07:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Good Point. -- Yellowdesk 17:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

• I have taken the two above suggestions and incorporated them into a revised name: Bush White House e-mail controversy
  

Support

1. Support as the proposer, for the reasons stated above. -- Yellowdesk 18:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
2. Support it would seem the Bush administration has had trouble finding e-mails in several incidents.[2] A more detailed discussion is warranted and that should be in an anrticle with a relevant name. Nomen Nescio^{Gnothi seauton} 19:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
3. Support. As I said above, the domain name in and of itself is unimportant. howcheng {chat} 20:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
4. Sure Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka

Oppose

Neutral

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Redirects:

Also created redirects from: Bush White House email controversy,
George W. Bush White House e-mail controversy
George W. Bush White House email controversy

Yellowdesk 12:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

References improvement requests

• A real citation to source this statement is needed. A link to the domain is "original research." Is there a published source that acknowledges this?
  -- Yellowdesk 19:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

  Communications by federal employees were also found on georgewbush.com and rnchq.org, but unlike these two servers, gwb43.com has no Web server connected to it—it is used only for e-mail.

Use of e-mail

Trying to collect sources for the different controversies. Please add any you find.

• Dismissals

• Plame affair

• Election

There is more than ample documentation to show that on Election Night 2004, Ohio's "official" Secretary of State website – which gave the world the presidential election results – was redirected from an Ohio government server to a group of servers that contain scores of Republican web sites, including the secret White House e-mail accounts that have emerged in the scandal surrounding Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’s firing of eight federal prosecutors.[3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nescio (talk • contribs) 11:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC).