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Question from DavidHosle (11:25, 1 September 2024)

How can I create a new wikipedia page? --DavidHosle (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DavidHosle! There's two parts to this: how can you technical-wise and how can/should you content-wise?

Content-wise, creating an article on Wikipedia as a newcomer is pretty hard – it's like trying to run a half marathon on your first day of training. You can't write an article about yourself, can't promote yourself or someone else, and should avoid editing about a subject you have a conflict of interest with. If you still want to create an article, you have to meet two minimums: first, the subject has to be notable by Wikipedia's content definition, and the article should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

Technical-wise, you can't create an article before your account has reached a certain age and number of edits (four days and ten edits, I believe), but you can create a draft, and I would recommend this – you can get feedback from experienced editors about an article that way before publishing it.

Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hauntedgravestones (17:54, 1 September 2024)

How do i create a wiki --Hauntedgravestones (talk) 17:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hauntedgravestones! Take a look at Wiki hosting service. Let me know if you have any other questions about editing Wikipedia! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Pearljacs (12:27, 14 September 2024)

can i find my dobbelganger --Pearljacs (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Pearljacs! Wikipedia has an article about dopplegangers, but I'm afraid I can't help you with much else related to that. Let me know if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

template removal?

Hello Perfect4th, and thank you for your mentorship. I'd be grateful if you could take a look at this P.G. O'Dea article, where a template was added, suggesting that some citations may not verify the text. The citations themselves are legitimate and come from 1940s and 1950s newspapers. However, the URLs provided (which link to visual access of the source via Wikimedia Commons) seem to be causing the issue.

I believe the citations would not have been questioned had the URLs not been added, but the URLs were included only to allow readers easier access to the visual sources. Could you kindly review the template and the discussion on the talk page?  I’d appreciate your guidance on whether the template is necessary or if it could be removed, considering the legitimacy of the sources themselves.  Thank you for your time and assistance! Kokatoni (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kokatoni! I'm sorry for taking so long – I was unexpectedly busy these last few days. Looks like you've had a good conversation on the talk page of the article, which was exactly the right venue. In general in my experience, screenshots are not really verifiable, so we can't really count them as reliable sources, but adding the sources on their own should work.

If you ever have more sources questions that get specific and you're looking for more eyes (or your mentor disappears off the face of the earth), you can also take a look at the reliable sources noticeboard, where some folks can take a look at source questions for you. You're also always welcome to drop by here (and I'll try to answer a bit faster next time)! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

thank you for the pointers, @Perfect4th! Much appreciated Kokatoni (talk) 18:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Of course! Let me know if you have any other questions, and happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Template Creation

Hello. I need help creating a template. I want it to show a specific team on the log table but showing only 5 teams. the template is Template:2024-25 South African Premiership. how do i go about it?

Greg (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Greg! Are you trying to pattern the template off of a season's league team navigational box somewhere? I looked through Category:Association football navigational boxes and it doesn't seem that creating one for a single season is common practice on Wikipedia. However, there is a template for a league that links to all the teams in the league for a season, such as {{Template:Ghana Premier League}}. Will that format do what you're looking for? If not, do you know of an example of what you're trying to do? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Perfect4th.Here is an example of what i am trying to do:

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification or relegation
1	Mamelodi Sundowns (C)	30	17	8	5	42	22	+20	59	Qualification for Champions League
2	Kaizer Chiefs	30	17	6	7	48	27	+21	57
3	Orlando Pirates	30	14	10	6	40	29	+11	52	Qualification for Confederation Cup
4	Bidvest Wits	30	14	10	6	33	22	+11	52
5	SuperSport United	30	14	8	8	43	26	+17	50

Updated to match(es) played on 2 July 2020. Source: Premier Soccer League
Rules for classification: 1) Points; 2) Goal difference; 3) Goals scored; 4) Head-to-head points; 5) Head-to-Head goal difference; 6) Head-to-Head goals scored; 7) Playoff; 8) Relegated (R); 9) Qualified to the next round (T)

But for the 2024-25 Season. GREG (talk) 19:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Greg, I must admit I have never seen that markup before, so I've asked here over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, and I've pinged you to that discussion so you can follow it as well. Hopefully one of the experienced editors there can give us a hand. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Kingofthewetcats (19:20, 7 October 2024)

Can you block user Ss122? He got me blocked for 24 hours because he bribed another moderator into blocking me. He was edit warring on the Odetari page, against a valid edit I made. --Kingofthewetcats (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kingofthewetcats. The folks on Wikipedia who have blocking ability are called admins; I am not one and cannot block anyone. You should also never cast aspersions of bribery as it can be a violation of one of Wikipedia's five pillars, No Personal Attacks.

I took a look at the Odetari article and the reverts in that history. While no one should edit war, especially not 3+ reverts, the best advice I can offer you is to not edit war yourself. The only person whose actions you are accountable for is your own – you can't control other people's actions. If you reach a point where you could be said to be edit-warring, discuss it on the talk page.

That being said, it does look like Wikipedia's external links guideline says not to link everything in a link to an external site (exact text: the lists themselves should not be composed entirely of external links). You could certainly add a general link to Odetari's YouTube channel in a new External Links section instead though.

Let me know if you have any other questions, and happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Koribabori (23:16, 20 October 2024)

Hi, I was wondering if I took pictures how would I upload them? --Koribabori (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Koribabori, and welcome! There's a tutorial on this help page that walks you through uploading and using pictures (& you can check out Help:Pictures if you want a more detailed explanation). You'll want to use the Commons option for pictures you take yourself. Let me know if you have any questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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What are reliable sources? - NoBrainFound

Please reply to this with an answer or approximately correct answer, I will respond soon. NoBrainFound (talk) 00:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, NoBrainFound! The short definition of reliable sources is sources that are independent, published, and have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. So an article should be based on sources that are generally considered to be correct (e.g. an article about a biology process based on a biology textbook). The longer definition can be found at reliable sources, and I'd highly recommend reading at least the Reputable section there. However, if you're looking for how to cite sources, Referencing for beginners should give you a good overview. Let me know if you have any more questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 00:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Made a new work-in-Progress draft named network

Check my new work in progress draft! See if it is correct and check me with a rating! NoBrainFound (talk) 20:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Warning: I know that there is a article named network, but it barely has any info. NoBrainFound (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, NoBrainFound! That reference (source) is definitely more on track, but I'm not sure which article you're talking about that has barely any info. If you're referring to Network, that is because it is a disambiguation page – that word could refer to multiple different topics, so the disambiguation page's job is to briefly describe and link the different topics so that they're easier to find. Looks like you're referring to the linked topic Computer network – is that the article you looked at? You could see if there is a place on that article where the information in your reference would be useful. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I was referring to Network, but I didn’t know there was a Computer network, I will sincerely apologize to the owner of the computer network page and let them know. Sincerely NoBrainFound. NoBrainFound (talk) 21:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

No need for an apology! Articles aren't owned by anyone anyway – we all work on many different articles here, and just because someone created an article doesn't mean that they take control of it or even have to watch it very closely (though many do). The important thing is to pay attention to feedback and try to listen and learn. Many new editors feel like the best way to contribute to Wikipedia is to create a new article, but that's not the only way or even the best way to start.

I always feel like another editor, Bonadea, said it best in a Teahouse conversation here: ...It is a little unfortunate that many newly-registered editors seem to believe that the best and only way to contribute to Wikipedia is to add new articles. It's unfortunate for two reasons. First, there are many other editing activities that are as important as (or more important than) creating new articles: for instance adding information to existing articles, updating references, fixing errors, adding links between Wikipedia articles, removing inappropriate text or sources, etc. Many of these things are a bit tricky, and it can be easy to get them wrong by (for instance) adding a source link to a website that is deprecated or adding too many Wikipedia links. But that's usually okay! Every single experienced editor has made a bunch of mistakes along the way (and I suspect all of us still make bloopers from time to time), and very few mistakes are truly egregious. Second, creating a new article is pretty much the hardest thing to do for a new editor – mainly because it involves all the tricky stuff such as evaluating notability, writing neutrally, using sources responsibly, picking the right sources, formatting the references, including a reasonable amount of detail in the text, etc. Once you have made a couple of thousand edits, most of those things will be much easier. And there will still be no shortage of notable topics to write about! :-)...

If you'd like help figuring out what to edit about, you can let me know what kinds of things you're interested in and we can try to find something you'd like to edit. Just respond here or on your talk page! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

New article not for submission yet

Protoverse is the article, check the talk page for help. NoBrainFound (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, NoBrainFound! Which talk page are you watning me to check? I can't find an article or draft article about Protoverse. I did see the conversation at the reference desk (permalink), but that conversation doesn't seem to refer to that subject.

When you are referring to a page on Wikipedia, whether it be an article or a talk page or a project page, you can link it by surrounding the page title with [[]], just like in your drafts and normal articles. You can link to, for instance, the Teahouse like this: [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]]. So you can link the talk page you'd like me to check by surrounding it with square brackets, and then it'll be easier for me to know where to check and help you out :) Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 04:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Fahadotaibi (00:49, 5 November 2024)

Hi, I was working tirelessly to added citations and reliable sources for Shaqra University page, all credible sources, but someone who wasn't happy about giving a balanced view of reality deleted all my content. If Wikipedia agrees with this manipulation of content, I will stop editing for Wiki. Wiki now is a PR content only it seems. Thanks. --Fahadotaibi (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)