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The result was delete. I am willing to restore to draft space if the original creator would like to continue to work on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Molecule Art (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Absolutely no notability of this term is shown in the article; it mostly appears to be a gallery of a few drawings. A BEFORE search of the term was fruitless as it doesn't appear to be an actual recognised term and I'm just getting lots of results for art of molecules. Fails WP:GNG. CoconutOctopus talk 18:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- I understand. It is not well known at all. It is very niche, my hope is to expand that niche and to make it more known.
- Here are some sufficient links to examples of molecule art. If you would like me to include these as references and citations to strengthen the integrity of the article, do let me know.
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- https://cen.acs.org/education/science-communication/Chemistry-Pictures-Painting-pigments/102/web/2024/08 (Pigment molecules)
- https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/natural-products/Chemistry-Pictures-scent-ual-sketch/101/web/2023/01 (Scent molecules)
- https://pdb101.rcsb.org/sci-art/goodsell-gallery (Proteins and simplified molecular mechanics)
- https://www.treasuresofvidya.com/wallart/lsd-wall-art (Wall art with Lysergic Acid compounds)
- https://www.tiktok.com/@uokram (Only does a form of molecule art)
- https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/Molecularts(Etsy account only sells molecule arts)
- https://s7d1.scene7.com/is/image/CENODS/20220331lnp20-chembro?$responsive$&wid=700&qlt=90,0&resMode=sharp2 ("Chembroidery" image)
- https://cen.acs.org/synthesis/biocatalysis/Chemistry-Pictures-Chembroidery/100/web/2022/03 (Chembroidery website)
- https://www.etsy.com/listing/682490099/science-embroidery-kit-love-hormone (Chembroidery for sale)
- https://cen.acs.org/materials/photonics/Chemistry-Pictures-Fluorescence-twist/99/web/2021/02 (Florescent molecule art)
- https://cen.acs.org/synthesis/Chemistry-Pictures-Structure-refinement-fructo/97/web/2019/06(Fruit based molecule art) Cmspeedrunner (talk) 18:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Etsy and similar sites are not reliable sources; neither is TikTok. I'm also not seeing evidence of any use of the specific term "Molecule Art" on these sources, rather just examples of art that happens to use molecules in it, which certainly exists, but I don't believe is notable. CoconutOctopus talk 19:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I understand Etsy and tiktok are not good wikipedia citation or reference sources, but in the conversation about being recognised as an art form, the evidence presented is sufficent. It is referred to as "[name of molecule] - art", "Molecularts", "Chembroidery" and "Molecule art" in a few already listed places as a generalisation. Would it not be useful to define an umbrella term?
- What would this art be defined as?
- List of art movements is a lengthy list with some entries being an increment different to others and having little established use. Cmspeedrunner (talk) 19:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cmspeedrunner: Wikipedia is not designed as a place to write an article about everything that is "recognised as an art form," you must demonstrate notability. The article wasn't brought to this deletion discussion because the nominator said it was a hoax--then evidence that it at least exists would be much more useful, but that it has "absolutely no notability." JJPMaster (she/they) 19:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have demonstrated the notability above with the links. Coconut Octopus replied by saying it was invalid due to the lack of the term "Molecule Art", this does not demonstrate a lack of notability but a lack of a centralised definition, which this article is attempting to do. Cmspeedrunner (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cmspeedrunner: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary or a place to "centralise[] [a] definition." To demonstrate notability, you must establish that your topic has significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable secondary sources, not just that something similar to what is described in the article exists. JJPMaster (she/they) 20:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have demonstrated the notability above with the links. Coconut Octopus replied by saying it was invalid due to the lack of the term "Molecule Art", this does not demonstrate a lack of notability but a lack of a centralised definition, which this article is attempting to do. Cmspeedrunner (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cmspeedrunner: Wikipedia is not designed as a place to write an article about everything that is "recognised as an art form," you must demonstrate notability. The article wasn't brought to this deletion discussion because the nominator said it was a hoax--then evidence that it at least exists would be much more useful, but that it has "absolutely no notability." JJPMaster (she/they) 19:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Etsy and similar sites are not reliable sources; neither is TikTok. I'm also not seeing evidence of any use of the specific term "Molecule Art" on these sources, rather just examples of art that happens to use molecules in it, which certainly exists, but I don't believe is notable. CoconutOctopus talk 19:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too soon. I’ve seen molecule art used in STEAM education, but I’m not sure if it’s catching on. Bearian (talk) 04:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete but allow draftification if the first major contributor wishes. Like Bearian says, this subject could become notable later. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, yet to meet the notability guidelines as aforementioned. Perhaps could refer to WP:NMG. Pygos (talk) 10:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this "art movement" or "art form" does not meet notability criteria per WP:GNG for inclusion in the encyclopedia. A BEFORE search does not find any art historical or art critical coverage for this movement. A Google Books search finds zero hits, and a search of Oxford Art Online, The Concise Dictionary of Art Terms, Encyclopedia of Aesthetics and the Oxford Handbook of Aesthetics show no results for "Molecule art". I noticed that all the images used in the article were uploaded as the article creator's "own" artwork and released as the copyright holder. If that is the case, then WP:NOTAWEBHOST might also apply. Netherzone (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- List of Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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1) As far as I can tell, we don't have any other article that is about "List of paintings of x origin being held in museums in y country". This feels like WP:ARBITRARYCAT, and it's really not notable that Western European paintings specifically are held in Ukraine when Western European paintings are held in museums around the world and when Ukrainian museums have collections of paintings from around the world.
2) Most of the history discussed in the article is not about Western European art in Ukraine specifically, but about the history of artworks in Ukraine in general (several mentions of art museums with Oriental art). This is an interesting topic, but it doesn't justify the existence of an article dedicated specifically to Western European art in Ukraine.
3) The article has been marked as completely lacking sources for 15 years, probably because there is a lack of sources dedicated to the topic of "which Western European paintings are held in Ukraine" (only one I could find was a book published in 1981, but the information in that list is almost certainly out of date after 40 years).
Previous deletion discussion was closed as no consensus.
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- Delete: I tend to agree with the nom, this isn't really helpful when Western European art is held around the world. I really don't see notability for most of the museums, they aren't that well-known. We're not listing paintings in the Louvre or the MoMA, that are world-famous. Oaktree b (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the list part of this article is unhelpful. National museums house stuff from across the entire globe, it's what they do, and which museums house what isn't really encyclopedia material. Where there's a particular documented controversy about a country's culture being housed in another country's museums (Elgin marbles is an extreme individual case) then we can have an article, but I don't think there's any special controversy about the fact there are Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums. So I agree to this extent: the list could be deleted. But the introductory material to the list, about the history of museums, galleries, and art-works is actually quite encyclopedic and interesting. Could the article be trimmed of its "list" material and status, and moved to a more appropriate title? Elemimele (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:CROSSCAT. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment imo the problem with the suggestion is that that portion of the article remains unreferenced, so while it is interesting and possibly valid as a renamed article, I would want to see it appropriately sourced - or sourced at all - before making that determination. Are there other articles we could merge it into that already discuss the topic? Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a single source, but I still stand by my comment. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Reluctant Delete. The lack of sourcing means even the (very interesting) prose part of this is not salvageable. Toadspike [Talk] 10:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 12:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- In Honor of a Lifetime of Sexual Assault (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTNEWS, followup of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Statue of Donald Trump (Philadelphia). No evidence that (or reason why) this protest will have more sustained, enduring notability than the countless other protests happening every day and being reported on in news articles. Fram (talk) 09:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Aside comment about the Trump articles in general. Based on Category:Trump family and subcategories therein, I suspect AFD will have numerous Trump-related articles up for deletion. — Maile (talk) 15:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now and potentially merge with pages describing other Trump statues. While the Portland and Philadelphia ones are confined to a particular timeframe, I think there is notability in the fact that statues have popped up since 2016 and perhaps pages can be merged into a single "Trump Statues" page with some editing to remove extraneous details. Nnev66 (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep This article seems properly sourced. I would also support a merge to some relevant article. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Maybe an article like sculptures of Donald Trump could make sense? Clearly there is a lot of coverage on the numerous works of art (both positive and negative) which depict Trump. And while the individual pieces might be problematic from a NOTNEWS standpoint, the overall subject of Trump in art almost certainly has encyclopedic value.★Trekker (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Public art depicting Donald Trump," perhaps. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENT. Will anybody remember these that didn't live in Philly or Portland in a week? A month? A year? Grahaml35 (talk) 06:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per GNG, subject has received in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 01:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. asilvering (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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This is an article dedicated to a single Stolperstein, which is a Holocaust memorial stone, placed in the UK. There have been over one hundred thousand of these stones placed, and the single stone placed in the UK is already covered in the inclusive article List of places with stolpersteine, and in fact that article doesn't even link here in any way. FrederalBacon (talk) 00:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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- NOTE Reason for the nom is that this is essentially very specific listcruft, where the only thing in the list is a single item that is already covered elsewhere. FrederalBacon (talk) 00:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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- it was the very first stolperstein in england and therefor has a unique meaning is an important symbol. it is very nessesary for people to know it.--Donna Gedenk (talk) 11:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Possibly List of Holocaust memorials and museums § United Kingdom could be expanded into a full article along the lines of List of Holocaust memorials and museums in the United States, as there are 156 search results for "Holocaust" in the Imperial War Museum's War Memorials Register. The contents of this page could then be a section there. Ham II (talk) 08:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This particular Stolperstein is unique because it is the only one in the United Kingdom. This has made this particular one the subject of signifcant coverage, and has also made it the site of activist activities which get in the news such as [1], [2] Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, I agree with 4meter4 on this. There is coverage, so we can have an article. The fact there are a lot of Stolpersteine elsewhere doesn't matter. This is the English Wikipedia so we are allowed to focus extra attention on things of especial relevance to those living in English-speaking countries, of which the UK is one. The first-and-only Stolpersteine on UK soil has very high cultural significance. Elemimele (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Flag of Lebanon. No separable notability. —Ganesha811 (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Maronite flag (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is most likely based on original research. There are no reliable sources about a distinct "Maronite flag." The white flag with a cedar is simply an earlier version of the Flag of Lebanon. Syphax98 (talk) 12:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The page has multiple sources. Request is just being done by user who does negationist edits to anything Maronite. [3] Red Phoenician (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also, user failed to notify me of the proposal. Red Phoenician (talk) 01:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- The sources don't talk about a distinct "Maronite flag". --Syphax98 (talk) 10:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- And please just talk about the sources and don't try to label me. I could do the same thing by pointing out the nature of your contributions (we are discussing it here), which are clearly associated with ethnonationalist ideas, deprecated here on Wikipedia. I am active on the Italian-language Wikipedia, not here. Here on the English-language Wikipedia I am limiting myself to these topics, because I was surprised by how much certain users have imposed certain clearly POV ideas in recent years. --Syphax98 (talk) 11:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Three of the sources distinctly talk about a Maronite flag. Please review all the sources before making claims. Red Phoenician (talk) 02:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- The crwflags website couldn't be considered a reliable source. The Lebanese Armed Forces website does not refer to any "Maronite flag" and calls this version "العلم اللبناني في الفترة الانتقالية (1918-1920)" ("The Lebanese flag in the transitional period (1918-1920)"). The Minbladeh website (also non reliable anyway) makes no reference to a "Maronite flag" and defines this as the "Flag of the region of Lebanon after the fall of the Ottoman Empire (1918-1920)". Some sources refer to the fact that this version was used widely by the Maronite community (which was the main religious community in favor of the formation of an independent Lebanon"), but sources rarely refer to it as the "Maronite flag". The article itself refers to the fact that this flag was designed by Shukri El Khoury and Naoum Labaki, active in the Mahjar (an Arab cultural association); the activity of these two intellectuals was never aimed at creating a separate Maronite identity, but rather an Arab and Lebanese identity that transcended religious boundaries. --Syphax98 (talk) 14:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Three of the sources distinctly talk about a Maronite flag. Please review all the sources before making claims. Red Phoenician (talk) 02:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- And please just talk about the sources and don't try to label me. I could do the same thing by pointing out the nature of your contributions (we are discussing it here), which are clearly associated with ethnonationalist ideas, deprecated here on Wikipedia. I am active on the Italian-language Wikipedia, not here. Here on the English-language Wikipedia I am limiting myself to these topics, because I was surprised by how much certain users have imposed certain clearly POV ideas in recent years. --Syphax98 (talk) 11:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The page has multiple sources. Request is just being done by user who does negationist edits to anything Maronite. [3] Red Phoenician (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: this is not the "Maronite flag", it is simply the first version of the Lebanese flag, in use between 1918 and 1920. Some sources refer to the fact that this version was used by many Maronites who were campaigning for independence of Lebanon (being the community most favorable to independence, unlike for example the Sunnis who wanted union with Syria) and this can be written in the article relating to the flag of Lebanon. There is no trace of the use of this flag after 1920. --Syphax98 (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- As nominator, you shouldn't "vote" in this AfD. Your nomination already counts as a "vote" to delete. The closer will simply evaluate this as another comment. Toadspike [Talk] 16:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Flag of Lebanon: possibly adding the few sourced statements to the target. Owen× ☎ 14:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Flag of Lebanon. I am having trouble verifying some of the sources, including the French pdf archive and the Academia.edu link. However, assuming good faith on the quotes provided, I see two reliable sources that mention a Maronite flag. This isn't enough to establish notability, and it's even less adequate to justify a separate page from the Flag of Lebanon article, which is basically the same topic. Any reliably sourced information here can be merged there if the creator, Red Phoenician, desires. Toadspike [Talk] 16:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Flag of Lebanon per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 17:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. About me; Talk to me. Farewell fellow editor... 00:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alliance Graphique Internationale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article based on primary sources and fails WP:ORG for lack of third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Keep. There’s an entire scholarly book about the organization AGI: Graphic Design Since 1950 (2007, W. W. Norton & Company) by Elly Bos that’s held in numerous university libraries such as https://primo.rowan.edu/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=01ROWU_INST:ROWAN&search_scope=MyInst_and_CI&tab=Everything&docid=alma995254273405201&lang=en&context=L Seems like a notable international professional non-profit organization.4meter4 (talk) 17:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's one source. Do you have WP:THREE? LibStar (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Found SIGCOV to substantiate WP:ORGCRIT at Art and Industry - Volumes 58-59 (1955) p. 2, Gebrauchsgraphik - Volume 36 (1965) p. 62, Domus: architecttura, arredamento, arte - Issues 669-672 (1986) p. 27. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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