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November 14

Portal:Current events/2024 November 14

November 14, 2024 (2024-11-14) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes Fifteen rescue workers are killed during an Israeli airstrike on the Regional Civil Defense Centre's headquarters in Baalbek, Lebanon. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Defence Ministry claims that Russian forces have captured the village of Voznesenka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Anadolu Agency) Odesa strikes, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure One person is killed and ten others are injured in Russian airstrikes on an apartment building and energy facilities in Odesa, Ukraine. (Reuters) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Sixteen people are killed and 15 others are injured in Israeli airstrikes against residential buildings in Damascus, Syria. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad announces that a number of its militants are among the fatalities. (Al Mayadeen) (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Balochistan In Balochistan, Pakistan, two soldiers and three insurgents are killed during a raid in Harnai District. Separately, two civilians are killed and three injured after an explosion in Ziarat District. (TRT World) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa A Pakistani Taliban commander accidentaly detonates a car bomb at his house in Mir Ali, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing himself and six other people. Fourteen others are also wounded. (AP) Haitian crisis Doctors Without Borders reports that at least two patients are dead after police officers and vigilantes attacked ambulances in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. (Semafor) (CNN) Arts and culture 25th Annual Latin Grammy Awards Dominican singer Juan Luis Guerra is the biggest winner with four awards. (Billboard) It is announced that the Kingda Ka roller coaster, the world's tallest roller coaster, will be retired at the Six Flags Great Adventure amusement park in New Jersey, United States. (KYW-TV) Business and economy The Onion, an American media company known for its satirical news content, acquires InfoWars, with the intent of rebranding the site into a parody of itself. (The New York Times) Disasters and accidents 2024 Pacific typhoon season More than 24,000 people are evacuated as Typhoon Usagi makes landfall in Baggao, Cagayan, Philippines. (DW) Health and environment A study published in the medical journal The Lancet reports that the number of adults who have diabetes globally has increased from 200 million people in 1990 to around 800 million people in 2022. The study also reported that around 40% of adults with diabetes are not receiving treatment for the disease. (DW) (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election Sri Lankans vote in a snap election for the 225 members of the 17th Parliament of Sri Lanka. (Morning Star) (DW) Nauru launches an investment initiative which offers Nauruan citizenship in exchange for investment in climate change mitigation. (RNZ)

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(Ongoing) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Vice regent (talk · give credit)

 VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

This is a proposal to replace the ongoing item Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) with 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. There was consensus at Talk:Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present)#Options that the scope of the former article should end at Sep 30, 2024 and events after Oct 1, 2024 should be covered in the latter article. Multiple weeks have passed and no one has objected. I think changing the ongoing will also redirect editors to add updates to the appropriate article.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Sounds good to me, this probably should've been done with the invasion started. Scuba 00:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Support There is consensus, and this will direct editors to the appropriate article. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Per @Scu ba Rynoip (talk) 08:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per the talk page consensus. The Israeli invasion article is more current, and should therefore be the one we use on the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 09:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

November 13

Portal:Current events/2024 November 13

November 13, 2024 (2024-11-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Six Israeli soldiers from the Golani Brigade are killed in a three-hour gun battle with Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon. (Le Monde) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Insurgency in Balochistan Twelve Pakistani Taliban gunmen are killed and six wounded in two separated shootouts with soldiers in the districts of Kech and North Waziristan. (AP) Business and economy United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis British DIY retailer Homebase collapses into administration, threatening up to 2,000 jobs. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Indo-Pakistani smog New Delhi, India, reports its 15th consecutive day with a "very poor" recorded air quality index due to significant air pollution causing zero meter visibility smog. (The Hindu) 2024 Spanish floods Thousands of Spaniards living near river banks are evacuated following the issuing of AEMET's maximum weather alert in the Province of Málaga, Costa del Sol, and the Valencian Community caused by a new cold drop system. (The Independent) International relations Israel–Turkey relations Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announces that Turkey has suspended all diplomatic relations with and will not develop any further relations with Israel. However, the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, will continue to operate. Israel's foreign ministry denies any change in its diplomatic relationship with Turkey. (JNS) (Newsweek) (Middle East Eye) Law and crime 2024 Brasília attack Two explosions occurs near the Supreme Federal Court building and the Praça dos Três Poderes in Brasília, Brazil. The perpetrator dies by suicide bombing, being the only fatality. The Federal Police announces an investigation into the explosions, while the Attorney General's Office calls the situation "an attack against the Supreme Federal Court and the Chamber of Deputies". (G1) (CNN) Bulldozer Justice The Supreme Court of India rules that it is unconstitutional for the government to demolish property belonging to people suspected of crimes without a legal process, a practice common in states ruled by the Bharatiya Janata Party. (The Times of India) (DW) International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines, Philippine drug war The Philippines says it is bound help the International Criminal Court if the international court seek custody of former President Rodrigo Duterte through Interpol over alleged crimes against humanity committed during the Philippine drug war. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Second presidential transition of Donald Trump Outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden meets with President-elect Donald Trump in the White House and pledges a peaceful transition of power. (Reuters) 2024 Somaliland presidential election Citizens of Somaliland vote for the President between incumbent Muse Bihi Abdi of the Kulmiye party, House of Representatives speaker Abdirahman Mohamed Abdullahi of the Waddani party, and Faysal Ali Warabe of the Justice and Welfare Party. (VOA) (DW) Israel–Hamas war protests Crowds of pro-Palestinian protesters gather in Paris, France, against a gala raising funds for the Israel Defense Forces and included guests such as Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich. (France 24)

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RD: Theodore Olson

Article: Theodore Olson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready, some statements needs citations. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 00:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Roy Haynes

Article: Roy Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 37.159.35.155 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American jazz drummer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Well written, comprehensive and well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready Interesting person, but orange template in the section Discography. Grimes2 (talk) 16:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  The Discography section is probably large enough to be moved to it's own article? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Good idea, found this source for all recordings: https://www.jazzdisco.org/roy-haynes/catalog/ Is it reliable? Grimes2 (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Have raised at Talk:Roy Haynes. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Roy Haynes discography now created. All remaining entries are sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  4 more {cn} tags have now appeared, and look problematic. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Daim Zainuddin

Article: Daim Zainuddin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ThePrint
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Thegreatrebellion (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: . Malaysian politician and former Minister of Finance Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article in sufficient quality. Tofusaurus (talk) 04:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

November 12

Portal:Current events/2024 November 12

November 12, 2024 (2024-11-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 40 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, including ten in a double tap strike on a designated humanitarian zone in the Al-Mawasi refugee camp in Rafah Governorate. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 14 people are killed and at least 15 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Ain Yaaqoub, Akkar Governorate, Northern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Ecuadorian security crisis November 2024 Guayaquil prison riot Seventeen people are killed and 15 more injured after a prison riot at the Litoral Penitentiary in Guayaquil, Ecuador. (AP) Haitian crisis The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issues a temporary 30-day ground on all U.S. airlines from flying to Haiti after gangs shot at a Spirit Airlines aircraft that was attempting to land at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, yesterday. The airport is also closed indefinitely in response to the shooting. (Miami Herald) (Scripps News) Red Sea crisis The Pentagon reports that several missiles and drones launched at the USS Spruance and the USS Stockdale by the Houthis are shot down. (BBC) Somali Civil War Al-Shabaab militants ambush and kill two South West State soldiers who were travelling on motorcycles on the highway between Wanlaweyn and Afgooye in Lower Shabelle, Somalia. (Hiiraan Online) Sudanese civil war The United States Department of the Treasury sanctions Rapid Support Forces general Abdel Rahman Jumma, alleging that Jumma is the "primary party" responsible for the violence against civilians and human rights abuses in West Darfur, Sudan. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture 2024 Booker Prize English novelist Samantha Harvey wins the Booker Prize for her novel Orbital. (BBC News) Spanish writer Álvaro Pombo wins the Miguel de Cervantes Prize. (El País) Disasters and accidents 2024 Indo-Pakistani smog The Pakistani Health Department reports that at least 1.8 million people in Punjab, Pakistan have become sick with respiratory and eye irritation ailments caused by chronic, record-breaking air pollution. (AP) Louisville factory explosion Two people are killed and 12 others are injured in an explosion at a food coloring factory in Louisville, Kentucky, United States. (KCRG-TV) (AP) Twenty-six people are killed when a bus carrying a wedding ceremony participants falls into the Indus River in Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan. (Anadolu Agency) (NBC News) Law and crime Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse A U.S. jury awards US$42 million to three former detainees of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, thereby holding Virginia-based military contractor CACI liable for their role in the torture and mistreatment of the detainees. (AP) Anglican Communion sexual abuse cases Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the symbolic head of the Anglican Communion, resigns over his handling of barrister John Smyth's sex abuse scandal. (NPR) (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Mauritian general election Opposition leader and Labour Party candidate Navin Ramgoolam is elected as Prime Minister of Mauritius, with his coalition Alliance du Changement winning 60 of the 66 National Assembly seats. Former Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth resigns following his party's defeat in the election. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Timothy West

Article: Timothy West (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Thryduulf (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Serial Number 54129 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The prose seems well referenced but the same cannot be said of the filmography etc sections. Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Updated and well referenced throughout. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Hopefully we now have a happy Thryduulf  :) SerialNumber54129 19:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  The couple of sentences starting West was a supporter of the Talyllyn Railway are tagged as needing a citation but at a glance everything else looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready Getting close. Just a couple of CN tags. Very sad news. I remember him from the old BBC production of Edward VII. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Marked Ready Fixed the last few cites (including the Talyllyn!). Black Kite (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen: Fyi, Thryduulf opposed until around 200 citations had been added. I added them; it took about three hours. For the record. SerialNumber54129 23:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added and credited, thank you. Stephen 00:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ken Shorter

Article: Ken Shorter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs substantial expansion with only one source in the header and an entirely unsourced filmography. No information whatsoever regarding death other than month. Sampaioe (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The Booker Prize

Article: Orbital (novel) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The novel Orbital by Samantha Harvey wins the Booker Prize. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, New York Times, BBC, Financial Times
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Golan1911 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit) and Create a template (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Prestigious literary award Golan1911 (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support The article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN, but currently lacks a synopsis. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weakest oppose The article is just barely sufficient, but given this is an English writer, there has to be interviews with her discussing the work. (eg like [2]) There is definitely room for expansion that would be nice to see before posting. --Masem (t) 03:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until article is a little more fleshed-out out, but support on principle, per WP:ITN/R. –DMartin 03:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose neither the novel or event article meet WP:ITNQUALITY currently. Also the WP:ITNR page says that "Booker Prize" is ITNR, so does that not mean that the 2024 Booker Prize article should be the bold link? Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Having separate year articles for the booker prize seems really weird, because there's no major ceremony or anything. Sure, details of the shortlist and the like are important but I don't see why this can't be done on a list page, with any further details (such as "first X to win") being on the book/publication page. I do know in the past we have usually highlighted the book as the target. — Masem (t) 13:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Targetting the book article (Orbital) is fine, provided it has been updated with a referenced paragraph about the prize. The award is given to that specific piece of work, it's not part of a broader corpus or lifetime achievement. There's only one winner and not much more could be added to 2024 Booker Prize. What would *not* be OK is using Booker Prize or Samantha Harvey as the bold link. Modest Genius ^talk 14:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    • If we intend to target the book article every year, we should note that at WP:ITNR (as we do for many other ITNR items). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support. The article is very light, but does just about meet our minimum requirements. I'd like to see some secondary sources for the plot summary per WP:PLOTCITE, but it's not a disaster without them. Modest Genius ^talk 14:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Horgan

Article: John Horgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News
Credits:

• Nominated by Mellohi! (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian diplomat and politician, Premier of British Columbia from 2017 to 2022, ambassador to Germany from 2023 to 2024. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 19:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Soft oppose, several sections not sourced yet. Transformative figure within the context of contemporary BC politics, he will be missed.Ornithoptera (talk) 20:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support; article looks well-sourced. -insert valid name here- (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Vardis Vardinogiannis

Article: Vardis Vardinogiannis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek business magnate. 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Justin Welby resigns

Article: Justin Welby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up an abuse scandal in the Church of England. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up the John Smyth abuse scandal.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Baldwin de Toeni (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

wait? I don't know the terms that may be being used, but I think we could wait until Welby's successor is named to post it. Being the most important ecclesiastical figure (after British monarch) of an important worldwide branch of Christianism, I do consider this change ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't need to wait. Welby's resignation is the story. Mjroots (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The reason for the resignation is important. In this case, I prefer to blurb the resignation, not the successor. Grimes2 (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

It will take weeks, if not months, to name a successor anyway. Agree that the story is the resignation itself. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Please don't associate the Anglican church with the Catholic church. Scuba 15:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

an important branch of Catholicism The Church of England is rather famously *not* a branch of Catholicism. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

that's what I'm saying. Scuba 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm replying to Alsoriano97. AusLondonder (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

totally right, I was talking about Christianity, not Catholicism. My bad. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

np, sorry for the confusion. Scuba 16:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article ok. Grimes2 (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft Oppose with only 26 million baptized, and of that only 5.5 million practicing members as of 2010, the Anglican church isn't a major world player in global religions. When the United Methodist Church with it's 5.9 million practicing members repealed bans on LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage we didn't include that in ITN, so why would we include the Anglican leadership change? Scuba 16:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Strongly disagree. I think your numbers are for the Church of England specifically. The worldwide Anglican Communion has about 85 million practitioners, making it the third largest Christian denomination (communion) after the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodoxy. The bishop of Canterbury is the closest thing to its pope or (even closer analogy) ecumenical patriarch. Also, this is a pretty rare change, he's been in the position for over a decade. We posted his appointment in 2012. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

And: The methodists are a separation from the Church of England. Grimes2 (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Lutherans are a separation from the catholic church, but you wouldn't call them catholic. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I was unaware of his appointment in 2012, I wasn't editing at the time, but rules and norms change, especially in the decade + since then. Again, there are only 26 million baptized Anglicans, but sure, lets consider the Episcopalians whose entire church is a rejection of the CoE and the Archbishop and the Crown, and other groups like them, as Anglican for some reason to boost that up to 86 million.

There are ~1.3 billion Catholics of ~2.4 billion Christians. That means only 3.58% of Christians (and again that's with bloating their numbers considerably) are Anglican. That simply isn't a large enough congregation. We don't post leadership changes for Methodists, Baptists, or other protestant denominations. Why should we with Anglicans?

Also Archbishop of Canterbury isn't even the top of the Anglican church's leadership, the King is. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We in fact did post the leadership change for the largest branch of Mormonism in 2018, which "only" has 17 million adherents. For comparison, the median population of UN member states is around 9 million.

The British monarch is the head of the CoE, not (the rest of) the Anglican Communion. And the Episcopal Church in the US is definitely not a "rejection" of the CoE and the Archbishop of Canterbury — it's in full communion with the CoE and looks at the Archbishop of Canterbury as a figurehead, like the rest of the Anglican Communion does. Episcopalians do reject the Crown as an authority, but once again that only undermines your argument about the King being at the top of the hierarchy. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Mormons aren't Christian and haven't been recognized as such by any mainstream christian group.

The Episocpoalins where literally founded as a rejection of the oaths of loyalty to the crown and CoE, their governing body is the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America. Scuba 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Whether Mormons are considered Christian or not is actually kinda irrelevant to the argument as far as ITN is concerned; they are a broadly comparable religious body and we posted their change in leadership. And as I said, Episcopalians reject the crown, but they have always been inspired by and in communion with the CoE. The Episcopal Church website talks about Justin Welby extensively. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh I agree, the Mormon president changing shouldn't be included in ITN.

Wrapping all vaguely Anglican churches together as being under the direct administration of the CoE is a backhanded way to bloat CoE numbers. Scuba 17:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Grimes2 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The news item is about the Archbishop of Canterbury ultimately. He is relevant to the Anglican Church as well as CoE. So including Anglican membership is relevant. The actual numbers of CoE specifically do not matter. La Ovo (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. The archbishop of Canterbury is the principal head of the Church of England and the leader of the worldwide Anglican church community. Notable religious figure and the circumstances of his resignation is newsworthy as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article seems good enough; there are two {{cn}}s but not about any important claims. I agree with others who say that this meets the significance threshold. He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. While the Anglican Communion is not as tightly knit in terms of dogma or organization as, say, the Catholic Church, Anglicanism is one of the main traditional branches of Protestantism and the Communion's 85 million adherents are nothing to scoff at. Welby played an important role in trying to keep the Communion from falling apart due to disagreements over LGBT matters and other issues. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Should "abuse scandal" in the hook be piped as abuse scandal so readers will know what's being referred to? Ericoides (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to leave that to the posting admin's discretion. We could possibly lose the initial "The" too. Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:EASTER 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 19:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The resignation of a politically connected head of a major Christian denomination (and the unofficial head of the third-largest Christian tradition) is a big deal, especially considering that it demonstrates a continued role sexual abuse plays in disrupting upper hierarchies across Christian denominations. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I can't say I know this story inside-out, (or even at all) but covering up sexual abuse is a crime in the UK, so would be something we can't say definitely happened without a confession or conviction. Is this exactly what reliable sources are saying, that he was "covering up an abuse scandal"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  John Smyth (barrister) is the article with the details. Secretlondon (talk) 19:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support His resignation is significant for the reasons outlined above, and is being covered in various media as a major news item. In response to the comment above, "covering up" might not be the best phrase. Maybe something like: The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. Please create an altblurb in the template. Grimes2 (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

"Cover up" is explicitly used in the BBC source used in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt Significant resignation of a major religious figure in a major religious denomination following a scandal would justify ITN inclusion. Alt blurb is moderately better worded than the original blurb. Article itself looks fine, though the few CN tags should be fixed ASAP. Sampaioe (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. I've phrased the blurb similar to the current BBC headline, "Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby resigns over Church abuse scandal", replacing "over" with "as a result of" because "over" might be misunderstood by non-native speakers as describing a physical position. Sandstein 20:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Great, just the paperwork to do now. Mjroots (talk) 06:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Remove (post-posting objection). I do not believe this should have been posted yet, as coverage from the BBC suggests that Welby has announced his resignation but is still in post: 'It was not immediately clear when the archbishop would leave his post but the process of finding a replacement is likely to take at least six months.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.D.Hope (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose pull - While Welby remains in office for now, he will not be remaining in office until a successor is appointed. It is customary for there to be a reasonably long vacancy in see in such circumstances. Welby has indicated that he will step down once he has fulfilled a number of outstanding duties, but the announcement itself is the story. (The appointment of his successor will probably hit the headlines, but it's a largely separate process.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb should be amended to something like '...has announced his intent to resign', in that case. The blurb as currently written implies he is no longer in office, when as far as I can tell he is still archbishop. A.D.Hope (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose pull Resignations which are 'effective immediately' are the exception and not the rule. Most high-profile resignations allow for some sort of grace period in order to ensure an orderly transition. If the argument is purely semantic as opposed to notability-related, then go and gather support at WP:Errors for changing "resigns" to "announces his resignation". Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've been told at 'Errors' to come here to resolve the issue, so which should I do? A.D.Hope (talk) 18:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• If the issue is that he has not officially resigned yet, we can change the blurb to "...announces his resignation". Natg 19 (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm okay with changing the wording to "announces his resignation" if it makes people happier. I don't think it should be pulled. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Blurb altered to "announces his resignation". I don't think anything else needs to be done here. Black Kite (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Zhuhai car attack

Article: 2024 Zhuhai car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A vehicle-ramming attack kills 35 people in Zhuhai, China (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed after a vehicle-ramming attack
News source(s): BBC News [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

35 people are a lot. I think the article should be expanded a bit. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Besides the article being far too short to be of quality, this appears to be due to a domestic issue rather than something terrorism-related (the driver was allegedly upset at a divorse ruling that went against him). This is the type of event that is likely not to have long-term enduring coverage and fails NOTNEWS. --Masem (t) 12:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Motivation is not relevant for a mass casualty event. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Lean support Article needs work, but once it reaches start class I'm in favor of a blurb. This is all over the news, much more so than the relatively unknown regional terrorist attack that is currently at the top of the fold. Domestic mass murders are still notable, especially in a country where fatalities are unlikely to reach more than a dozen. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Wait and support when article is good enough Arguably a more exceptional event than an attack by a longstanding terror group, which we posted (and should have, to be clear). Bremps... 14:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I'd argue that this is more significant than an attack by an existing group - those are almost to be expected at this point, and 35 people is an enormous amount for a vehicle attack. Minerman30 (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support on significance if article is not a stub. An unusual event attracting international coverage. Very high number of casualties for an incident of this type. AusLondonder (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle oppose on quality Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Topic is a mass casualty event in China. The article is a bit a awkward, and I've re-written some of it. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unless motive is revealed to be terrorism or similar. Tragic, but ultimately unlikely to have any far-reaching consequences. –DMartin 03:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Motive does not matter when it comes to mass casualty events. Even then, the motive could fall similar to it. 35 people died from one person ramming them over, that's a pretty large consequence from one person. BlondArkhangel (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Motive is very important, as there's a significant difference between a terrorism-related attack and something that is related to domestic violence. The latter is not likely going to have the long-tail of enduring coverage since there's little else to be said about it, whereas a terrorism-related attack will have a significant followup of seeking out the agency that carried it out and any possible enforcement actions. This is why we have NOTNEWS, not every story, even carried by many internaional papers, is necessarily a good encyclopedic topic. — Masem (t) 05:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

So if someone blew up a building killing thousands because his wife left him, you'd count that as domestic violence and not a major event? It's the single biggest mass casualty event in China since 2014. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

To add onto this, a reason why the article may not get significant enough coverage is because of the vast censorship by Chinese authorities. I think this article could spark enduring coverage about China's security and mental health of their people as well as the definite censorship that can be observed by people outside of China. BlondArkhangel (talk) 05:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Motivation is important it will likely determine whether enduring coverage of the event will be there or not, which is the notability standard for news event articles. A terrorism event will draw far more govt response to prevent it, which establishes that tail of coverage, whereas something done by an upset person on a whim is unlikely going to move many needles. That may change in the future in this case but right now the question of the event's notability is in question since it's still working only off primary news source coverage — Masem (t) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support Major event and shocking. High casualty amount. After a bit more work the article would be ready. Elios Peredhel (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support and want to note for the record, in case it is relevant for further nominations, that if a mentally ill person killed 35 people with their car in downtown New York City, we absolutely would not be seeing an opposition faction form because the issue is "too domestic". "Too domestic" strikes me as another way of saying "this is Chinese news, so it's not important enough for ITN". There is no basis in logic or ITN policy for that proposition. This needs to make the main page. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. I think general consensus is that this article ought to be posted ASAP. Those who didn't support the article originally were mostly because of the of substance in the article. However, there is significantly more information and the general opinion seems to be posting it.

If someone could do the steps in putting this article ITN that would be amazing BlondArkhangel (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that the main reason for opposition was the quality of the article, but it has been heavily re-written and expanded since then. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The expansion is in fluff, like media mentions and non-action reaction statements. This is a major problem of how news event articles are written today. It's great for Wikinews but not Wikipedia. — Masem (t) 20:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

If you have suggestions on how to improve the article then go to the talk page and make said suggestions. I myself try to trim "Reaction" sections, and merge them into other sections such as "Aftermath" or in the event itself. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to move it to Wikinews and only move it back if it is an event that shows enduring coverage. (this is also true for a good percentage of new news events articles, as editors are failing to follow NOTNEWS and NEVENT) Masem (t) 21:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The purpose of ITN is:

1. To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
2. To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
3. To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
4. To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.

This is likely being searched by people who have heard of the event as it has been broadcasted on multiple news outlets. Your suggestion on improvement is due to the lack of time passed that proves it has enduring coverage so I'd say the article itself is of decent quality. Some people could also be unaware of the incident and may find that 35 people being killed from apparent road rage would be a cruel, but interesting article to read about. BlondArkhangel (talk) 23:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

But WP is not a newspaper. Just because an event happens doesn't mean WP should cover it, as events that only get a burst of news coverage are not considered notable per WP:N and WP:NEVENT. Readers coming to WP to try to catch up on news from an encyclopedia are absolutely at the wrong place. Masem (t) 05:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I think ITN is about exposing our readers to high quality information on international topics, a bit like you might hear in the headlines on BBC World Service. Secretlondon (talk) 15:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support major event. Mass casualties. Article of decent quality. Definitely fit for ITN. Zinderboff(talk) 05:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support It’s a significant event (& the Chinese censorship makes it seem more notable) & the article’s quality is good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted as there is clear consensus for doing so. Schwede66 18:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Terrorism or not, this is significant. Should be good to go, thus. –Angga (formerly Angga1061) 20:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Song Jae-rim

Article: Song Jae-rim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Soompi
Credits:

• Nominated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Royiswariii Talk! 11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a lot of expansion and has quite a few unsourced roles. Estreyeria (talk) 14:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Most of the English language sources are going to be limited as they're obituaries that give summaries of his life, rather than details on his career. I expanded a bit with the CNN and Korea Times articles. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

November 11

Portal:Current events/2024 November 11

November 11, 2024 (2024-11-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 30 people are killed in Israeli strikes across the Gaza Strip, including at least 20 in the Nuseirat refugee camp. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 44 people are killed and 88 more injured during Israeli airstrikes across Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Mykolaiv strikes, Zaporizhzhia strikes Five people are killed and 18 others, including five children, are injured in Russian air strikes on Mykolaiv and Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (DW) (Arab News) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods 2024 Spanish floods Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez announces an additional €3.76 billion (US$4 billion) aid package to the Valencian Community which was affected by deadly floods in October. (DW) A mud volcano erupts in Turbo, Colombia, forcing the preventative evacuation of 109 households. (El Espectador) International relations 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference The COP29 climate conference opens in Baku, Azerbaijan. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Zhuhai car attack Thirty-five people are killed and 43 more injured during a vehicle-ramming attack outside a stadium in Zhuhai, Guangdong, China. The perpetrator is in a coma after suffering serious injuries. (BBC News) Haitian crisis Several airlines suspend flights to Haiti after a flight attendant was injured when a Spirit Airlines aircraft was hit by gunfire while attempting to land at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, and was diverted to Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic. (BBC News) The International Criminal Court announces an investigation into prosecutor Karim Ahmad Khan over accusations of sexual misconduct previously reported by The Guardian in October. (BBC News) (The Guardian) In Italy, the Carabinieri Art Squad seizes more than 2,100 forged artworks worth more than €200 million (US$215 million) that were intended to be sold at auction houses across Europe and also uncovers two art forgery workshops in Tuscany and Venice. (DW) One of the friars who was assaulted in a monastery in Gilet, Province of Valencia, Spain two days prior, dies after failing to recover from serious injuries. (RTVE) Politics and elections 2024 Japanese general election Shigeru Ishiba is sworn in as the 103rd prime minister of Japan following the first runoff vote in thirty years. (Kyodo News) (Mainichi) Haitian crisis Alix Didier Fils-Aimé is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Haiti, replacing Garry Conille, amid worsening security in the country. (Reuters) Māori protest movement Hundreds of Māori people begin a nine-day march from Cape Reinga to Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand, to protest the proposed Treaty Principles Bill which would redefine the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. (The Star) (The Guardian)

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RD: Frank Auerbach

Article: Frank Auerbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Ham II (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-born British painter. Ham II (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Removed orange template, ISBNs added. No cn left. Grimes2 (talk) 13:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Robinson

Article: John Robinson (American football coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach, 2nd most wins in Los Angeles Rams history. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Needs a lot of sourcing work, especially for the Coaching career section. Natg 19 (talk) 01:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 10

Portal:Current events/2024 November 10

November 10, 2024 (2024-11-10) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine November 2024 Moscow drone attack One person is injured and at least 36 flights are diverted when 34 Ukrainian drones strike Moscow, Russia. (CBC News) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 40 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, including at least 24 in the Jabalia refugee camp in North Gaza Governorate. The IDF claims they killed a top Palestinian Islamic Jihad commander in the strikes. (Reuters) (The Times of Israel) (The Washington Post) An Israeli airstrike on a house in Gaza City kills Wael al-Khour, a minister in the Hamas-run government, along with his wife and their three children. (NBC News) Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal Qatar withdraws from ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel as mediator due to "a refusal to negotiate a deal in good faith" from Hamas and Israel. (CNN) (AP) (The Guardian) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon An Israeli airstrike in the village of Aalmat, Byblos District, Lebanon, kills at least 23 people, including seven children, and injures six others. (AP) Mexican drug war Ten people are killed and seven others are injured in a mass shooting at a bar in Querétaro, Mexico. (CBS News) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency Five Basij officers are killed after a shooting by suspected Jaish ul-Adl gunmen in Saravan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. (AP) Disasters and accidents A Mww 6.8 earthquake strikes off the coast of Bartolomé Masó, Cuba, causing landslides and damage to buildings in the region. (CNN) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests November 2024 Amsterdam attacks More than 300 pro-Palestinian protesters are forcibly removed and 50 others are detained by Dutch police for participating in a rally in Amsterdam, Netherlands, in violation of a ban on demonstrations that was implemented following the attacks on Maccabi Tel Aviv fans on Friday. (Reuters) Tuskegee University shooting One person is killed and 16 others are injured in a school shooting during a homecoming weekend party at Tuskegee University in Tuskegee, Alabama, United States. (NBC News) Politics and elections 2024 Mauritian general election Citizens of Mauritius vote for the 66 seats of the National Assembly. (Reuters) Constitutional crisis in Somalia Ahmed Madobe, the President of the state of Jubaland, Somalia, appoints a regional electoral committee, with Somalia's Interior Ministry calling the committee unauthorized and urging clans to fight for their rights. Jubaland subsequently suspends relations with the federal government. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online) Members of the Jamaat-e-Islami party announce that they have prevented former Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and the Awami League party from holding a rally in Dhaka, Bangladesh, to commemorate Noor Hossain Day. (AP) Sports 2024 NASCAR Cup Series In auto racing, Joey Logano of Team Penske wins his third NASCAR Cup Series championship. (ESPN)

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(Posted) RD: Barbara Aland

Article: Barbara Aland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ (in German)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Internationally influential Protestant theologian who worked with her husband on critical editions of the Greek New Testament. There were no sources for the short bio when she died, but are there now. Still limited sourcing for the publications, but that should not be hard. I need to travel for a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Added ISBNs and OCLCs to the work section. Article should pass RD requirements. Grimes2 (talk) 15:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Prime Minister of Haiti

Article: Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Transitional Presidential Council appoints Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (pictured) as the acting Prime Minister of Haiti after dismissing Garry Conille. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
• Created by Patar knight (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Davemck (talk · give credit), Clime047 (talk · give credit) and Patar knight (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Articles are a bit stubby Bremps... 23:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality of the article. Also, I don't think we should post a acting prime minister, if it was an official prime minister elected I think we should post. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Just another event in Haiti's turbulent political life — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

soft oppose this is the 4th acting prime minister since Haiti collapsed. Maybe we should start omitting them, but there is an argument to make per ITN/R since this is a head of government. Scuba 17:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Emphasis on the word acting. 64.114 etc 22:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Mauritian general election

Article: 2024 Mauritian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Labour Party wins the 2024 Mauritian general election with their leader Navin Ramgoolam (pictured) to be named Prime Minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alliance du Changement, led by Navin Ramgoolam (pictured), wins the Mauritian general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ The opposition, lead by Navinchandra Ramgoolam (pictured), wins a landslide victory in the 2024 Mauritian general election
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sundostund (talk · give credit)
• Updated by N Panama 84534 (talk · give credit), Fajarpa7 (talk · give credit) and Jedi Master Wysk (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated, the results have yet to be added, but this is ITN/R when it's ready Scuba 15:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Enough returns are in that the loser conceded. Article seems fine. Bremps... 23:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hold until we have some sense of the vote totals. At that point, procedural support as ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Ready but still not posted ? Shouldn't get staled Varoon2542 (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: National election and the article is in good enough shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support : Various reputable sources, national and international, relevant for the historically only stable democracy of Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support As per above! Sharrdx (talk) 18:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per above, wonderful work by the editors in their thorough coverage of a lesser-known but nonetheless important election. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Mauritian General Elections always receive international attention in both French and English language media who always remind that it is Africa's only stable democracy Varoon2542 (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article updated, results are in, and additionally notable for yet another incumbent getting tossed out. Melmann 22:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bruce Degen

Article: Bruce Degen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Toweli (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Illustrator of The Magic School Bus (book series). Thriley (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - missing citations under "Selected Works" and for other statements throughout, and needs copyediting throughout. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've made some edits to the article, is it good enough to be posted now? toweli (talk) 17:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. The article is now fully sourced. toweli (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 9

Portal:Current events/2024 November 9

November 9, 2024 (2024-11-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Balochistan 2024 Quetta railway station bombing At least 26 people, including fourteen soldiers, are killed and more than 62 others are injured in a suicide bombing at a rail station in Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan. The Balochistan Liberation Army claims responsibility for the attack. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war At least one person is killed and two others are injured in a raid by Israeli forces in Aqqaba in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 40 people, including several children, are killed in Israeli airstrikes on several cities in Lebanon. (Reuters) Boko Haram insurgency Fifteen Chad National Army soldiers are killed and 32 others are wounded in clashes with Boko Haram militants near Lake Chad. At least 96 Boko Haram militants are killed and 11 others are wounded in the operation. (Reuters) (DW) Colombian conflict A soldier is killed and 16 other people are injured during two separated motorcycle bombings in Jamundí and Cauca Department, Colombia. (Infobae 1) (Infobae 2) Sudanese civil war The United Nations Security Council sanctions the head of operations of the Rapid Support Forces and the force's West Darfur commander for their human rights abuses and for promoting violence in Sudan. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Spanish floods Tens of thousands of protesters demonstrate in Valencia, Spain, to demand the resignation of President of the Valencian Government Carlos Mazón for his handling of the warnings and subsequent management of last week's deadly floods. (AP) International relations China–Indonesia relations Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto sign several cooperation deals worth $10 billion seeking partnership in key areas including water conservation, marine resources, and mining. (Bangkok Post) (Reuters) North Korea–Russia relations Russian President Vladimir Putin signs into law the North Korean–Russian Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership, a mutual defense pact with North Korea. (Reuters) Law and crime A man injures four friars at a monastery in Gilet, Province of Valencia, Spain, before fleeing the scene. (ABC.es) Politics and elections 2024 Bolivia protests The constitutional court of Bolivia prohibits former President Evo Morales from running for office in any position, thereby preventing him from contesting next year's election. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Bobby Allison

Article: Bobby Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BurnItDown49 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NASCAR driver and 3-times Daytona 500 winner. 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Tone problem and some sections are uncited. Rynoip (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose more sourcing needed, and is way too slanted to negative aspects ("Cale Yarborough fight" has 5 paragraphs which is WP:UNDUE compared to the rest of his career, and "Career wins controversy" violate WP:Controversy sections). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Delhi Ganesh

Article: Delhi Ganesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 58.175.9.121 (talk · give credit), 2601:18e:d004:6e70:c8c2:f424:d0b4:e632 (talk · give credit) and Raghavan2010 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian actor and having done versatile roles in over 400 films. Has won Tamil Nadu State Film Award Special Prize and Kalaimamani Awards. Abishe (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose filmography and television sections are unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Judith Jamison

Article: Judith Jamison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American dancer, article in good shape. I honestly still don’t have a good sense of when we blurb, but she was a historic figure in the arts. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb The article is well sourced and of high quality, but she simply isn't notable enough for a blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. 5th level vital article. Updated and well-referenced. gobonobo ^{+ c} 05:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Nothing to complain. Grimes2 (talk) 05:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Quetta bombing

Article: 2024 Quetta railway station bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, at least 26 people are killed and 62 are injured in a Balochistan Liberation Army suicide bombing at the Quetta railway station. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Al Jazeera, NPR, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack in Pakistan. Article seems short but adequate. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Notable, long enough, and seems to be well-sourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: Major fatal terror attack at one of the largest, busiest and most important train stations in the province of Balochistan. Bloxzge 025 ツ (talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support, major notable event. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Inconsequential ITN nomination, this doesn't appear to be a major headline on BBC, AP, CNN, etc. Additionally, it's unclear on how this will have any significant impact with the security theatre in this region of Pakistan. It's my understanding is that this group has been terrorizing this region for quite some time. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

The bombing impact was that it significantly increased security measures across Quetta and suspended train operations Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

These are short term impacts. Ideally we're looking for long-term impacts, and this doesn't seem to have moved the needle on the state of terrorism in the region. Masem (t) 18:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Major terrorist attack, significant casualty numbers. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Major attack, massive casualties. Made headlines in The Guardian, so some foreign sources clearly found it important. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's in the news, a substantial attack with not insignificant casualties. Article is reasonable quality. AusLondonder (talk) 20:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Ram Narayan

Article: Ram Narayan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ram Narayan, who popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument, dies at age 96 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ram Narayan, who won the Padma Vibhushan for playing the bowed instrument sarangi, dies at age 96
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Hekerui (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian musician, popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument Hekerui (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. There is a photo here. Are we going with blurb? BilboBeggins (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  I tried to add something blurb-wise Hekerui (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb RD only, Not on par with head of state in terms of notability or otherwise globally known household name to warrant a blurb.31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD since its a featured article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Ravi Shankar was blurbed and this chap seems similar. And it’s an FA. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Can you seriously not take decisions from more than ten years ago as a reference? A lot has changed in ITN since then. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Shankar was far more famous and influential worldwide than Narayan. Black Kite (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  plus ça change... Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article is of high quality, and gives a reasonable good reason why he was considered a great figure in their field. Masem (t) 15:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Agree that the article is high quality, but I think he is not notable enough for a blurb, compared to Ravi Shankar. Grimes2 (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb article is of high quality. Scuba 19:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb death not notable as event This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb As a featured article, this is clearly of high enough quality for RD, but he's just not notable enough for a blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb Seems transformative figure to me. Also, 77 Wikipedia articles is impressive. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb being transformational is not sufficient to rise to a death blurb. it's unclear what his impact or legacy will be nor is his death being covered all that much internationally. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - The Japanese basketball (or was it baseball?) blurb is 9 days old (and counting). If there isn't other thing to blurb, why not this? 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  The Moldovan election news is 10 days old... 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb – Top of his field. ArionStar (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 8

Portal:Current events/2024 November 8

November 8, 2024 (2024-11-08) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes, Kyiv strikes, Odesa strikes One person is killed and at least 38 others are injured in Russian airstrikes in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Odesa, Ukraine. (AP) Terrorism in Yemen A Yemeni government soldier opens fire on Saudi troops in Seiyun, Yemen, killing two and injuring one other. Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and the Houthis are suspected to be the perpetrators of the attack, however no group claimed responsibility. (AP) 2024 Mozambican general election, Human rights in Mozambique Human Rights Watch reports that at least 34 people have been killed and at least 66 others have been injured in the past three weeks in police crackdowns of violent protests following the Mozambican presidential election. Mozambican police fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters in the capital city Maputo, with the Army later deployed to end the protests. (Al Jazeera) (DW) November 2024 Amsterdam attacks, Antisemitism in Europe Pro-Palestinian locals attack supporters of Israeli football team Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. after a match with AFC Ajax in Amsterdam, Netherlands, following instances of anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab chants and vandalism by Maccabi ultras. At least 30 people are injured, with five hospitalized, and 62 people are arrested. Dutch authorities condemn the attacks as antisemitic with the government of Amsterdam subsequently banning protests and demonstrations in the city for three days. (CNN) (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) Arts and culture 67th Annual Grammy Awards American musician Beyoncé receives eleven nominations for the 2025 Grammy Awards, making her the most nominated artist in the award's history with 99 total nominations. (AP) Disasters and accidents At least two people are killed and twelve others are missing when a fishing boat capsizes off the coast of Jeju Island, South Korea. (The Korea Herald) Health and environment Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest The Brazilian environment and climate change ministry reports that deforestation in the Amazon rainforest decreased by 30.6% compared to last year, the lowest level in nine years. Additionally, deforestation in the Cerrado tropical savannah region decreased by 25.7%, the first decrease in five years. (AP) (Semafor) International relations South China Sea dispute President Bongbong Marcos signs into law the Maritime Zones Act and the Archipelagic Sea Lanes Act which defines the maritime entitlements of the Philippines and set designated sea lanes and air routes. China protests against the laws which is linked to territorial disputes in the South China Sea. (Reuters) (Nikkei Asia) Ukraine–United States relations The United States lifts its ban on deploying military contractors to Ukraine, thereby enabling American companies to directly assist with the maintenance and repair of U.S.-made weapons, such as F-16 fighter aircraft and Patriot air defense systems. The U.S. says that its contractors will be positioned far from the front lines and will not engage in combat with Russian forces. (CNN) Law and crime Hurricane Milton Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season A Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) employee is fired for having told relief workers to not aid those who supported then-Republican candidate in the upcoming 2024 United States presidential election, Donald Trump. (CNN) Security incidents involving Donald Trump, Iranian interference in the 2024 United States elections The U.S. Justice Department announces that they have formally charged an Afghan national who confessed to a murder-for-hire plan linked to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps targeting president-elect Donald Trump. (CNN) Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is released from prison early after serving six months for perverting the course of justice. (RNZ)

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RD: Dorothy Allison

Article: Dorothy Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT: Dorothy Allison, Author of ‘Bastard Out of Carolina,’ Dies at 75
Credits:

• Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American writer. Died on the 6th but her death was announced on the 8th. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems to be well sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 11:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Trevor Sorbie

Article: Trevor Sorbie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British celebrity hairdresser. 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article seems well-cited. It's not red-tagged or orange-tagged. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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(stale) RD: Alan Rachins

Article: Alan Rachins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post Los Angeles Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American Actor. News of death might be a bit stale but still nominating. TNM101 (chat) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is generally well-cited, with the notable exception of the filmography section at the end. All of it is pretty easily verifiable from google searching. However, in many cases even the target articles do not have a proper citation or even a mention re: Rachins appearance. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest close STALE. Death was reported on 11/2 (over a week ago). Latest nominations right now are dated for 11/4. Suggesting close since this is stale. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: June Spencer

Article: June Spencer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RyTellyFan91 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: English actress. Fats40boy11 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support She was playing Peggy Woolley on The Archers before I was born and before the late Queen came to the throne. And she was still playing the part at the age of 103. Just posting her name is quite inadequate to convey the nature of her legendary feat. Just why is it so hard to post a few words or a picture to explain this to our readers? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure many outside the UK will know who The Archers were, and even then it only applies to those who listen to Radio 4 or grew up with it. I think you could make a case of reforming RD altogether, but this would merit a much wider discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Amsterdam attack

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Article: November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli soccer fans are attacked in Amsterdam, injuring 10. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mass pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel violent assaults takes place in Amsterdam, injuring 10.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are attacked in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa Leagueassociation football match.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans clash with locals in Amsterdam after a Europa League football match.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, pro-Palestinian protestors, and other local residents are attacked during unrest in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.
News source(s): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html
Credits:

• Nominated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article about a recent attack against Israeli citizens after attending a football match. It marked the beginning of a pogrom there. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: I've added another blurb related to the topic; given that Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam was created six minutes before November 2024 Amsterdam attacks makes me rethink twice and do two nominations (articles will me merged) in the hope that one of them gets promoted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - I have not seen any RS using the term 'pogrom'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I have removed comments violating WP:ARBPIA and added warning for that area to this nomination. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support notability but strong oppose blurb and altblurb1 firstly this is Europe, so why use the term soccer, secondly we are an encyclopedia we should be specific, and thirdly, these aren't random Israelis being attacked they are Maccabi fans who are politically right-wing and one the most supported clubs in Israel, which brings a whole new dimension. Also Ajax's fanbase whom they played against also is somewhat known to have pro-Israeli sympathies, so I added altblurb2 which omits Ajax from the blurb as there is no indication their fans were involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, barring any significant deaths, this is part of what's in the ongoing topics related to the Israeli conflicts. --Masem (t) 12:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  We don't need deaths to make an event significant. Also this happened far away from the Middle East. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wait @Masem I tend to agree with Abc here, WP:MINIMUMDEATHS seems like a relevant essay. However, I'm leaning towards oppose at the moment because it's still unclear if this is going to have any long-term ramifications. For example, if Israel decides to incur on Dutch sovereign soil with her military forces as a result, this would certainly seem blurb worthy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I just wanted to inform people who do happen to notice that MINIMUMDEATHS is bluelinked that of course the intention is not to codify a minimum deaths threshold; and there is no guideline regarding "minimum deaths" in any shape or form. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, but at the same time, we have, within the ongoing, at least three articles covering worldwide rise of violence and other actions against Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims (Antisemitism during the Israel–Hamas war, Islamophobia during the Israel–Hamas war, and Anti-Palestinianism during the Israel–Hamas war). This is not an isolated case, and seems more comparable to the protests on American colleges (which we didn't post). As Kcmastrpc, if this escalates to be more an international incident, that would be different, but right now, it appears that the immediate situation resolved. --Masem (t) 13:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think the scale and level of violence and reaction is much larger than usual though, especially given this was a relatively high-profile football match too Abcmaxx (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Doesn't seem important enough for ITN at the moment; also, it doesn't appear to have been all one-way [4]. Black Kite (talk) 13:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Disagree here, it has had official responses from various politicians, so it has caused a diplomatic incident. Such events are rarely one-sided given an organised and politicised group of football fans were involved. Also the pogrom redirect looks to be heavily WP:LOADED and WP:POV I think this should be deleted. I have added altblurb3in order to give a neutral balance. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Everything gets political responses nowadays, the way we write event articles, which is a problem. Reactions really should be focused on actual involvement and steps, and not just stern words or statements of thoughts and prayers, but event articles tend to attract and grow those like kudzu. There's a lot of weight in claiming these reactions are significant that is in the CRYSTAL territory as well. — Masem (t) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes but this is making global headlines; I'm not sure what other involvement you can reasonably expect other than mass arrests and government intervention to bring their citizens home, which is what happened here. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Tons of events get global headlines, but WP is not a newspaper and ITN is not a newsticker. And if that's the extent the actions that result from this event, that's also pushing it towards being a footnote within the larger context of the Israeli conflicts. — Masem (t) 19:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Right but you can't set such a high threshold that only elections and tragic events with x amount deaths get posted, we are already getting to a point where it's becoming near impossible to post anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose given the earlier disruptions by Israeli fans attacking people in Amsterdam aren’t mentioned idk how anybody could think this is a NPOV. Also oppose on notability. nableezy - 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose alt blurbs 1-3 on NPOV concerns The level of coverage this is receiving puts this on a similar notability footing to the US College Protests, but Europe's version. I supported posting the protests and support this too. However, I am sympathetic to the NPOV concerns. Looking objectively at the reporting, there is evidence that at least some Maccabi fans were targeting or vandalizing houses and businesses with the Palestinian flag and that Arabs in the area (including a taxi driver) were assaulted prior to the game starting. Omitting this from alt blurbs 1-2 is a NPOV concern. On the other hand, there is obvious video footage that later in the night (after the game had ended), coordinated violence on a much larger scale was directed at the Maccabi fans leaving the stadium; alt blurb 3 leaves the reader with the oversimplified impression that the Maccabi fans "clashed" (i.e. caused violence) with locals. The net result of this is that I support alt blurb 4 (which I have added). Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose clashes between opposing football fans in Europe is very commonplace. This is just given more attention due to the current Middle East situation. No deaths, or major number of injuries. If posted, alt3 is the most neutral blurb to use. To me, "clashes" implies violence / fighting on both sides with no indication of who started in. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Who is opposing Maccabi here? This isn't football-based violence, it's ethno-political Abcmaxx (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurbs 3 and 4; oppose the others. What makes this particular Hooliganism noteworthy is that it's explicitly ethnic violence: Israeli fans engaging in anti-Arab demonstrations in the Netherlands of all places, and residents responding with violence. Also, a lot more than 10 were injured, as of current reporting. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Natg 19. If it's posted, ALT4 is the best - the rest of them all have NPOV problems going in either direction. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose looks like football hooliganism, I can't remember us posting instances of this to ITN before. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Per Natg 19 and Scuba, no deaths so far Hungry403 (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, violence and football hooliganism by one group after being instigated by the other. RachelTensions (talk) 04:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - football hooliganism + WP:POV; all of these blurbs portray the israelites as victims here without showing what they did for this to happen. The background section in the artile is literally bigger than the section on the attack Abo Yemen✉ 05:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Massem above. Yakikaki (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Describing an incident of football hooliganism as the "beginning of a pogrom there" in the Netherlands is completely false and ridiculous. Football hooliganism is not uncommon in Europe. The article itself states that "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans had been filmed beforehand burning a Palestinian flag, chanting anti-Arab slurs and not observing the moment of silence for victims of 2024 Spanish floods." The incident was not an "attack" - the article has serious NPOV issues. AusLondonder (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support This is very clearly NOT just football hooliganism, and none of the major media are presenting it as thus. Even the pro-Palestian Guardian is calling it "attacks on Israeli football fans" (The Guardian). The blatant POV of some of the commentators here, and their both-sides-ism, is despicable and should be discarded. Khuft (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Only in the headline. The source you are citing to argue against "despicable both-sides-ism" goes on to repeatedly describe "incidents on both sides" and "fights on both sides" with both anti-Arab racism and antisemitism being causes of the fighting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you even read the article? No-one is denying there were incidents started by the Maccabi fans, but the incidents thereafter targeting Maccabi fans were way more significant and shocking. The article quotes the mayor of Amsterdam, for instance, as follows: “Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.” It's not me saying this - it's the actual mayor of the city where this happened. Khuft (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did see that the politician placed the blame squarely on one side without acknowledging the other. The police, the source you posted, and reliable sources more generally, acknowledged that incidents and fights occurred on both sides. This discussion about how the story should be framed is better suited for the talk page (where such a discussion is already happening), it's not going to be blurbed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability as this doesn't even make the list of the most significant events that could be described as spillovers of the Israel-Palestine conflict, strong oppose every proposed blurb except alt4 as terribly misleading. Alt3 is at least not POV, but it's not a very informative description of the event. Seems like we're past the point of WP:SNOW anyways.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Doesnt appear notable enough for a blurb at this time. Noah, BSBA^Talk 20:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted RD) RD: John Nott

Article: John Nott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  The last National Liberal MP, John Nott, who was the UK defence secretary during the Falklands war, dies at age 92. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Shacharrz (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Quite a prominent and memorable figure in his day Andrew🐉(talk) 00:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Not a serving politician, certainly not a household name. OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Neither of those are criteria that ITN has used to consider for blurbs. — Masem (t) 14:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD article quality good enough, not too sure about blurb though. Rynoip (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• I can't say that I like how his books are referenced, but that would not stop me from posting this. The two citation needed tags that I've placed are of bigger concern. Schwede66 02:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose on quality Some cn tags and Books section needs some sources. Oppose blurb not significant enough to warrant blurb. I mean, Colin Powell didn't get blurbed for Pete's sake. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• RD only, per Orbitalbuzzsaw 31.44.227.152 (talk) 07:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, no indication of any impact or legacy beyond simply being connected to the Falklands war. Support RD, I tagged one bit of trivia in the death section (re surviving members of the Thatcher cabinet) but that's not a showstopper. --Masem (t) 12:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb - not quite a Churchill or a Kissinger. The party also seems to have been defunct since 1968. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Not quite?! Not at all. Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb - I concur with TDKR that Colin Powell comes to mind as the primary comparison point. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, Oppose Blurb article looks good, but being minister of defense during a war 40 years ago doesn't make you notable enough for a blurb. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb - The article is of sufficient quality to meet RD requirements, but given his role as a former Defence Secretary rather than a head of state or high-impact contemporary figure, a blurb feels unwarranted. His contributions do not reach the level of widespread historical impact typically needed for a standalone blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Not a figure of sufficient notability or impact to warrant a blurb. Keep in mind that the nominator here opposed the recent blurbing of a national constitutional referendum on European Union membership. AusLondonder (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  @AusLondonder: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 18:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Huh? AusLondonder (talk) 02:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

November 7

Portal:Current events/2024 November 7

November 7, 2024 (2024-11-07) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of North Gaza, Refugee camp airstrikes in the Israel–Hamas war At least twelve Palestinians are killed and several others are injured in Israeli airstrikes on a school used to shelter displaced people in the Al-Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) Military aid to Israel during the Israel–Hamas war, Israel–United States military relations The Israeli Ministry of Defence announces that it has signed an agreement to acquire 25 F-15EX fighter jets from Boeing as part of a $5.2 billion aid package from the U.S. government. At least four jets will be delivered annually beginning in 2031. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia strikes Four people are killed and 33 others are injured when Russian guided bombs hit residences, an apartment building, and a medical center in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters) Sudanese civil war 2024 eastern Gezira State massacres At least 73 people from the village of al-Hilaliya, Gezira State, Sudan, are killed by unknown causes during a siege of the village by Rapid Support Forces militants. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah launches drones at the Israeli Defense Forces base in Kfar Bilu and the Haifa naval base in Haifa, Israel. No casualties are reported. (Al Jazeera) (Saba News Agency) Disasters and accidents 2023–2024 South American drought The United Nations reports that almost a half million children in the Amazon are currently experiencing significant food and water scarcity due to prolonged droughts. (The Guardian) 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, 2024 Cuba blackouts Cuba experiences a nationwide blackout as Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Artemisa Province. (Al Jazeera) International relations Russia–United Kingdom relations International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine The British government announces 56 sanctions on individuals and entities based in countries including China and Turkey, as well as on the Africa Corps mercenary group, in order to target Russia's military-industrial complex and restrict the supply of military equipment to Russia. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) France–Israel relations Israel Police forcibly enter the French-administered Church of the Pater Noster compound in Jerusalem and detain two French consulate employees. French foreign minister Jean-Noël Barrot cancels his visit to the site while the French government summons the Israeli ambassador in response. (Le Monde) (AP) Law and crime Chinese intelligence activity abroad Germany arrests an American citizen suspected of spying on the U.S. military for China while working at a U.S. military installation in Germany. (Al Jazeera) Police in Argentina charge three people in the death of English singer Liam Payne. (Sky News) (People) The Federal Bureau of Investigation announces an inquiry into a widespread text message harassment campaign targeting Black Americans with threats of enslavement. (CNN) (NBC) Politics and elections 2024 German government crisis Volker Wissing, Germany's transport minister and the former Free Democratic Party (FDP) general secretary, announces that he will leave the FDP but will remain in the Scholz cabinet. (SZ) Second presidential transition of Donald Trump U.S. President-elect Donald Trump announces Susie Wiles as his White House Chief of Staff, the first woman to serve in this position. (ABC News) The Labor Ministry of Ecuador temporarily suspends Vice President and ambassador to Israel Verónica Abad Rojas until April 2025 for failing to comply with an order to leave Israel due to security concerns in Gaza. (Reuters)

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(needs attention) RD: Jürgen Becker (poet)

Article: Jürgen Becker (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Georg Büchner Prize recipient. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

(needs attention) RD: Christine Görner

Article: Christine Görner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): her website
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German soprano who excelled in operetta, musical, film and entertaining music, especially one beloved operetta film. The article just survived a deletion suggestion, so became well sourced. Her death is reported only on her personal website, but what else can we expect about a woman who - if we believe the German Wikipedia - suffered a stroke 5 years ago and since lived in Italy with her son, where she died (on 30 October, but the first trace appeared here on 7 November) and was buried. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good to me. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pim Sierks

Article: Pim Sierks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DVNH (NL)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Dutch pilot. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 05:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Until sourcing issues are fixed. Anopisthograph (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Elwood Edwards

Article: Elwood Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WKYC
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Voice of America Online's "You've Got Mail." Death reported 7 November. Thriley (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose orange tagged and 3 cn tags Rynoip (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good now. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, article has no outstanding issues with sourcing now. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 07:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

support can't see any glaring problems. Scuba 21:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Issues have been fixed, and I can't find any reason not to post. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is now well sourced. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support LGTM. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tyka Nelson

Article: Tyka Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Marybrewster (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sister of Prince. TNM101 (chat) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is tagged and her career section is rather short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

oppose yellow and orange tags. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Until issues are resolved and tags removed, per above Anopisthograph (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Richard A. Cash

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Article: Richard A. Cash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Richard A. Cash, who pioneered oral rehydration therapy to save millions of lives, has died at the age of 83 (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MaynardClark (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The subject died in October but the NYT didn't publish an obituary until Nov 3. I'm not sure how much credit belongs to this doctor in particular but oral rehydration therapy has saved more than 50 million lives and was described by The Lancet as "the most important medical advance this century". So that's quite a big legacy which merits some attention and perhaps even a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest close Way too stale. His death was reported by The Washington Post on October 26th. NYT was late to the party, but his death was well reported before. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Amended to RD Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as stale his death was first reported on 24 October [5], which is more than 7 days ago. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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