User talk:GreenLoeb

Conservatism in the Usa

Nixon was a moderate, he has Gerald Ford as vice president who was a liberal, he promoted state regulation in the economy and contributed to the civil rights platform of the modern liberal agenda, he was a classical liberal, conservative liberal or a moderate. Johnymin (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for messaging me. However, we have already established consensus on the US Conservatism talk page in the past as regards Nixon's inclusion. I could offer you several accounts of Nixon's role in the conservative movement and his essential conservatism: "Age of Entitlement" and "Regime Change, American Style" by Christopher Caldwell, Nathan Pinkoski's piece on Nixon in the pages of Compact magazine, Rick Perlstein's four-volume history of postwar conservatism, especially the second volume "Nixonland" and the third volume "The Invisible Bridge." I can offer more if you remain unconvinced after reading all of these. In any case, Nixon was essential to the rise and formation of postwar conservatism; he was the fiercest anti-Communist in the House of Representatives before he became VP; he pursued classically conservative policies when it came to IR realism, peace through strength, cultural politics, and the Wars on Drugs and Crime. State regulation is frankly in no way "anti-conservative" unless one defines conservatism to basically just mean whatever libertarian agenda is being pushed by the Kochs; tariffs, pro-labor policy, industrial policy, and nationalistic regulation were key parts of conservatism before Reagan, and are becoming key to contemporary conservatism once more as we see the ill fruits born by four decades of globalization. I'm tagging @Trakking and @Biohistorian15 here since they were involved in previous conversations on this topic. I am readding Nixon once again; please do not remove him unless you can establish consensus to do so, and in future please post these queries to the relevant talk page rather than to my personal one. Thank you kindly. GreenLoeb (talk) 20:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Being anti communist doesn’t make you conservative, you Americans are highly polarized and bipartician, what you call fiscal conservatism , centrism and moderate conservative is called liberal in the rest of the world. He spoke to a big tent public, going from liberalism to conservatism, but you associate liberal to modern liberal that in the rest of the world is kind of moderate social democracy or justicialista Johnymin (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Justicialism* Johnymin (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean also that Nixon tried to do associate himself with some modern liberal positions, different from Reagan or Bush, even Bush is a liberal conservative Johnymin (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Being a classical or conservative liberal is not an insult, that’s because the Democratic Party co-opted the term when in the XIX century they were the conservative party Johnymin (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Why are you addressing me like I am retarded? I don't think conservative liberal is an insult, man, I am a political theory PhD., not a rouge commenter on InfoWars. GreenLoeb (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Your downtalking to me with this "Oh you simple minded Americans" bullshit makes clear your fundamental lack of seriousness. I can tell you, having worked on and spent years reading academic history on US conservatism, my position has better backing than yours. I gave you multiple sources, and you are replying to me with Political Compass Meme-tier references to minor ideologies. You are thinking in terms of minor factions; sure, okay, whatever. The fact of the matter is that Nixon was deeply important to the history of movement conservatism in the United States, and there is just no papering over this. GreenLoeb (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

But not Roosevelt Johnymin (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)