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:::Checkuser can clearly confirm through private check that these accounts are not associated and they did above but apparently you have a problem since they are contributing in Pakistani television series which is against your motive so you might be an [[WP:UPE]] or [[WP:COI]]. No offense intended.[[Special:Contributions/182.182.117.98|182.182.117.98]] ([[User talk:182.182.117.98|talk]]) 20:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Checkuser can clearly confirm through private check that these accounts are not associated and they did above but apparently you have a problem since they are contributing in Pakistani television series which is against your motive so you might be an [[WP:UPE]] or [[WP:COI]]. No offense intended.[[Special:Contributions/182.182.117.98|182.182.117.98]] ([[User talk:182.182.117.98|talk]]) 20:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::You can report me at [[WP:COIN]] regarding the conflict of interest you believe I have. As far as - "Checkuser can clearly confirm through private check that these accounts are not associated" - this has already been stated numerous times about how the sock farms associated with this filing (the ones I blame simply for contributing to Pakistani television series). Based on the many filings, I am sure care is being taken to avoid a CU which is why I provided so much behavioral evidence. Note that I have at least one and a half pages of a Word document with additional evidence but have not listed as of yet in order to not clog up the process. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 20:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::You can report me at [[WP:COIN]] regarding the conflict of interest you believe I have. As far as - "Checkuser can clearly confirm through private check that these accounts are not associated" - this has already been stated numerous times about how the sock farms associated with this filing (the ones I blame simply for contributing to Pakistani television series). Based on the many filings, I am sure care is being taken to avoid a CU which is why I provided so much behavioral evidence. Note that I have at least one and a half pages of a Word document with additional evidence but have not listed as of yet in order to not clog up the process. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 20:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::The obvious reason I feel Sunuraju is '''not a sock rather an independent account is cause she created [[Noor Jahan (2024 TV series)]] using [[WP:AfC]] which is contrary to Nauman or Jha or other sock farms who rather directly created an article or simply move a draft'''. It clearly indicates, she doesn't even know to move a draft. From Sunuraju's contribution history, I've observed they are doing it through [[WP:AfC]] which is fair enough. But since you're saying you've '''additional evidence''' put it forth so check user can decide accordingly. Again '''merely on the basis of behavioral edits blocking a user is completely unfair unless there's an apparent evidence of [[WP:Sockpuppetry]] or [[WP:UPE]] which can be verified technically.[[Special:Contributions/182.182.117.98|182.182.117.98]] ([[User talk:182.182.117.98|talk]]) 21:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)


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Sunuraju

For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sunuraju/Archive.


06 November 2024

– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.

Suspected sockpuppets

Based on information privately emailed to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org by @Saqib:, the previous SPI report, and recent editing behavior, I believe these accounts are connected. In the very least MEAT but likely SOCK. The November 2 SPI filing showed "technically unrelated" but also suspicions that they could be a network of people working together. The email evidence would be useful for this case. In full disclosure, I was forwarded that evidence privately and believe that evidence shows a connection to a much larger group of editors. @Girth Summit: as well since they were involved in the previous SPI filing. I am including a WALLOFTEXT of behavioral evidence as I believe they are avoiding CU detection based on their knowledge with SPI with previous filings under another sock farm.

  • User:Sunuraju created Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum, a page previously G5d from the StayCalmOnTrees Sock farm (previously Nauman335). The day it was created, it was sent back to draft space and is now at Draft:Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum. User:Sunuraju worked on the draft until November 5 but then today, user:Israrhashim1 did two edits to the draft, approximately 1.5 hours prior to Sunuraju coming and resubmitting the draft. Appears to be working in tandem. This was also part of the last SPI filing for another named user.
  • Today, User:Sunuraju edits the page Sunn Mere Dil (now at draftspace). The page was created by User:Israrhashim1 on October 27 and then edited between November 4 and 6th by user Faymas. Two minutes after I sent this to draft, user Faymas is back editing the draft. Now all three editors in the same topic area, one of whom has few edits (see last bullet point below), are working on the same page/draft. NOTE - The page was created by Israrhashim1 and then that user moved to draft space (appears based on edit summary they meant to create it as draft). The draft was then edited by Faymas until eventually moved to mainspace by Faymas, then edited by Sunuraju within 24 hours of that move.
  • November 4, user Faymas edits the page 9th Hum Awards, a page created by Israrhashim1 on September 28. While it is not uncommon for users to edit the same pages, it is suspicious that the editing pattern does appear to be tied to each other.
  • As of this filing, user Faymas has 43 total edits, 28 of which are to the same pages edited by Israrhashim1. CNMall41 (talk) 06:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This all appears to be part of the same StayCalmOnTrees sock farm although they are likely very careful about how they are going above it, likely because of the MANY filings of that sock group. Here is some additional that shows a connection: Faymas editing Jo Bichar Gaye on November 5th. Page created by now blocked sock of SCOT, user:Qwef1234. Eight of the 43 total edits from Faymas are to pages created by Qwef1234. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Adding new account above. Today, Faymas moved Draft:Sunn Mere Dil to Sunn Mere Dil, the same page edited by only Faymas, Sunuraju, and Israrhashim1. After the draft was moved, editor Camilear (created on October 25) made edits to the page. User Camilear also re-created Alisha Parveen on November 1, a page previously deleted at AfD where a keep vote from Skt34 was later found to be a SOCK of Nauman335 (StayCalmOnTrees).
  • User Camilear then moves redirect Amar Nayak to Draft:Amar Nayak and requests speedy deletion. Page already exists under Amar Kumar Nayak (same but under name variation). That page was then edited in the same time frame by user Crunchyjeet who is also editing Draft:Amar Nayak. Looks like coordinated editing. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding more behavioral evidence as based on the email sent, I believe accounts are being careful not to use same IPs. Faymas creates page Ali Raza (actor) on November 11. This was previously declined as draft which was created by globally blocked user:Alzahra-ali.
  • November 9-11, user Faymas editing many pages related to Green Entertainment, including recreation of the Green Entertainment page that was deleted a few months back purusuant to and AfD discussion. Green Entertainment was the main focus of StayCalmOnTrees socks. Also on November 11, Sunuraju requests on the Faymas talk page about creating pages for Green TV. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • November 10, 2024 - Unusual activity for a newer user Faymas (10 day old account with 237 edits) to move a draft to mainspace that was edited by the other named users in this report (Sunuraju, Israhashim1), despite that draft being declined at least three times prior. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding a few more users that could be sock or could be meat. User:Asad Siddiqui23 created on November 5th, created dozens of redirects for shows related to Hum TV, a network heavily promoted by the StayCalmOnTrees SOCK farm (under Nauman335 prior to the merge of the two SPI cases). User also added these redirects and other Wikilinks to Hum TV. Looking at some of the added pages, they are all recently edited by the accounts Tanveer.Solangi, Yigitergun01, and Hanif.Aslam. All three are using the same type of device and app to edit (Android), which if you look through the StayCalmOnTrees SPI is the same device used by many of the socks. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Today (the 11th), Sunuraju creates Draft:Gentleman (Pakistani TV series), a page previously G5d as part of the StayCalmOnTrees sock farm (when it was Nauman335). --CNMall41 (talk) 23:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • User Sunuraju also asks about recreation of Draft:Pagal Khana, one that was G5d as part of the StayCalmOnTrees sock farm. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe not necessary at this point but adding the creation of Nadaan (TV series) which was started last month as a draft by ip 2404:3100:1C26:FF2A:FE:32FF:FEA7:4118. Moved to mainspace by Faymas on the 11th and then edited by Sunuraju on the 12th. Checking the ip history, there were a total of four edits, one to page Ullu Baraye Farokht Nahi which was also edited recently by Hanif.Aslam and Taveer.Solangi (the two accounts added to this SPI earlier today). That IP takes you down another rabbit hole which I will not list as this is already a larger WALLOFTEXT. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

i am one of the not sockpuppets, I was not aware that Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum was created one of sockpuppet farm of user who got blocked and thought created Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum on wiki because of drama was huge hit across on South Asia by , I had mistakes at my early life at wikipedmia during my 14 year career and i had gramamr issues --Sunuraju (talk) 09:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even they have involved me also, they all are thinking that i am sock of other account, some are thinking that i created page of Alisha Parveen which was deleted by discussion, but even as i can say its more than one year passed and even one of the admin has declined the deletion of that pages because this page was now created by me and, i dont know previously who created the page, for now she has sufficient reference to make this page live, then also some users are thinking I am sock, You can check IP range, I can clearly say that there is no comparision between my edits and the edits which done by other three users, and if CU team still think that i did anything wrong then you can block my account, but from my side i have not done any wrong edits to any of the pages. Camilear (talk) 09:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i had joined to Wikipedia in 2010 before my 16th birthday Sunuraju (talk) 09:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments within minutes of each other is not suspicious. I am sure that based on the private evidence emailed to Wikipedia users have been careful not to use anything that would alert a CU which is why behavioral evidence was listed (and emailed). While we are here, can you both disclose any connection you have with user:Captain Assassin!?--CNMall41 (talk) 17:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dont have any connection. Camilear (talk) 17:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i didnt have connection with Captain Assassin Sunuraju (talk) 01:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I joined Wikipedia in 2010 for added Malayalam films then korean actors and other things, I had grammar issues and I thought add draft of paksitani dramas for helping people — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunuraju (talk • contribs) 2024-11-14T02:29:06 (UTC)

@Girth Summit:, @Izno:, Thank you for all your work here. Glad to see additional accounts were uncovered. I do have private evidence I can email that has already been emailed to the "paid" email address. I can send it to you via email link as well so as not to OUT, but I believe after you see if you will see how this is also related to a user (Captain Assassin!) and that these socks are trying to make an attempt to avoid the CU process (hence the likely proxies or other devices - could be using an Agent Changer). Either way, I would be glad to provide even more evidence of how Sunuraju is connected via behavioral evidence if it helps. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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18 November 2024

– A user has requested CheckUser. An SPI clerk will shortly look at the case and endorse or decline the request.

Suspected sockpuppets

Previous SPI still open awaiting behavioral evidence review. In the meantime, user:Sunuraju brazenly leaves a talk page message for me asking if they should move Draft:Mein (TV series) to mainspace. Note that Mein (TV series) was G5d in November 2023 after being created by user:WikiiUsee (a sock of the Jha09 sock farm). Did not realize that after the page was deleted, it was recreated in draft space by an IP (likely LOUTSOCKing). user Sunuraju edits the draft today in between edits from newly created account user:Munch03. They only have 22 edits but as suspected, they have edited the same pages as Sunuraju and the other sock farms listed in the above SPI. This includes Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri (now up for AfD where Sunuraju has voted !keep), Mein (a disambiguation page that both accounts edited today), Fairy Tale (Pakistani TV series) (edited six days apart but back to back edits - also edited by user:AmabrSariya who is a Nauman335 sock as well as other socks), Kabhi Main Kabhi Tum (created by sock blocked in SPI above), Sehar Khan (edited by both Munch03 and now blocked sock Faymas from above), and Draft:Sunn Mere Dil (edited by both Sunuraju, Munch03, and other socks listed in the above SPI filing. At this point, I think they are just toying with us. Note that a CU may not find anything. As stated in the previous SPI and the private evidence that was emailed, SOCKS are being careful to avoid CU detection based on the many SPI cases they are related to in the Helloo 68 and Nauman335 sock farms. CNMall41 (talk) 11:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

look I am not one of socks ok and joined Wikipedia in 2010 by added articles include Malayalam films like Dhruvam and why you removed the current programming section of Ary Digital, Aye Ishq E Junoon and Bismil are now aired on tv and YouTube and Ary News is not part of nEWSORGINDIA is actually Pakistani news sources by --Sunuraju (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been digging and now see why the mass creation of the pages. I removed a lot of these from the Ary Digital page a few months back as being unsourced. Now seems like a big push by socks to create these pages so they can be placed back on that page. --CNMall41 (talk) 13:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, at this point I feel it's WP: BLUDGEONING to keep finding a way to involve a user (in this case User:Sunuraju) with other socks. Whereas, in my opinion User:Sunuraju is distinguishable from other socks. If you're giving benefit of doubt to the connected articles then you should also observe how bad Sunuraju is at grammer, where as Munch03 and other sock farms never stated it. Infact, I feel User:Munch03 is a sock account of User:Faymas which belongs to Nauman farm, not User:Sunuraju. All in all, if you try to connect anyone who's editing Pakistani television series based on behavioral editing to other sock, it is merely an accusation to an editor. In that case, "User:Israrhashim" (who has been editing Pakistani television series) and "Libraa2019 and Mushy Yank" (who also voted keep in Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri) should be a sock too if you're considering behavioral edits. Draft:Mein (TV series) is a popular Pakistani television series garnering million of views on its episode therefore users wants to create its page but due to involvement of Nauman sock farm, the title have been tainted. And I completely agree with User:Izno here, even if there are any concerns for Sunuraju, it should be properly looked into rather than just restricting it to behavioral edits (which is not even similar, just area of interest is common which is quite a reasonable thing here). This is my honest opinion, with all due respect to everyone involved. PS. I'm not connected to Sunuraju or Nauman Socks in anyway, I said what I felt, Thank you.182.182.52.21 (talk) 18:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to accuse me of BLUDGEONING despite reporting an obvious WP:DUCK in good faith, please take it to WP:ANI. I also fully believe you are not associated with Sunuraju (heavy sarcasm intended) given the only edits you have outside of this SPI is to Noor Jahan (2024 TV series), a page created by Sunuraju. I also highly doubt @Mushy Yank: (courtesy ping since you brought up the name - no comment at the moment regarding Libraa2019) is a sock simply for voting in an AfD. The behavioral evidence with Sunuraju is more than just a single AfD vote. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly what I expected as your answer. I have edited in other articles too but you're just too inclined to somehow block every single person whose area of interest is "Pakistani television". May be you're WP:COI since you've been blaming users who are simply just contributing to Wikipedia in good faith. Result of above SPI is clearly an indication of that where you tried to have a block on IsrarHashim, Sunuraju when these people were not even involved. And I don't even care if Sunuraju gets blocked, I just voiced my opinion.
Checkuser can clearly confirm through private check that these accounts are not associated and they did above but apparently you have a problem since they are contributing in Pakistani television series which is against your motive so you might be an WP:UPE or WP:COI. No offense intended.182.182.117.98 (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can report me at WP:COIN regarding the conflict of interest you believe I have. As far as - "Checkuser can clearly confirm through private check that these accounts are not associated" - this has already been stated numerous times about how the sock farms associated with this filing (the ones I blame simply for contributing to Pakistani television series). Based on the many filings, I am sure care is being taken to avoid a CU which is why I provided so much behavioral evidence. Note that I have at least one and a half pages of a Word document with additional evidence but have not listed as of yet in order to not clog up the process. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The obvious reason I feel Sunuraju is not a sock rather an independent account is cause she created Noor Jahan (2024 TV series) using WP:AfC which is contrary to Nauman or Jha or other sock farms who rather directly created an article or simply move a draft. It clearly indicates, she doesn't even know to move a draft. From Sunuraju's contribution history, I've observed they are doing it through WP:AfC which is fair enough. But since you're saying you've additional evidence put it forth so check user can decide accordingly. Again merely on the basis of behavioral edits blocking a user is completely unfair unless there's an apparent evidence of WP:Sockpuppetry or WP:UPE which can be verified technically.182.182.117.98 (talk) 21:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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