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On 20 March 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Kai (entertainer). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 8 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: move (non-admin closure). SSTflyer 05:21, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kai (singer) → Kai (South Korean singer) – There is also a Canadian singer called Kai now reflected at Kai (Canadian singer) Neither is more prominent than the other. Kai (singer) to serve as a redirect to Kai disambiguation. werldwayd (talk) 11:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support WP:PRECISE ambiguous disambiguation is a bad idea. The current title should redirect to the disambiguation page -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Kai (singer) is quite clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Kai (singer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filpro (talk • contribs) 00:51, 13 April 2016
Support Even if one of the two topics is more prominent, ambiguous disambiguation causes confusion so it should be avoided. —innotata 21:09, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Innotata. It's confusing otherwise. Random86 (talk) 21:24, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Innotata and Random86. Agree that it would be confusing otherwise. Gottagotospace (talk) 23:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, WP:INCOMPLETEDAB results in confusion. Kai (singer) needs to redirect to the dab page Kai.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:00, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 1 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:40, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kai (South Korean singer) → Kai (singer) – After Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai (Canadian singer) was closed as delete, this is the only notable singer named Kai. SST flyer 12:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom as there are no other singers to disambiguate with. PC78 (talk) 02:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support seems straightforward enough. Brother Twisted (talk) 10:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2017

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Not done: Blank request. —MRD2014 📞 What I've done 03:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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please state that kim jongin(kai) and krystal have broke up cause noboby feels that this is real couple Vidisha.2k2 (talk) 11:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. No source supplied. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 20 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 09:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– "birth year" not needed per WP:PTOPIC! This discussion like Thriller-type RM. -St3095 ^(?) 04:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 16:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose These disambiguators are unnecessarily confusing, both are entertainers and both are musicians. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:09, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; I agree with the user above. Musician and entertainer could easily refer to either of them so it's not really disambiguating anything and distinguising between the two. Alex (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree that Kai (musician, born 1981) should be renamed. From WP:BANDDAB: Use "(musician)" when the person is known for their work in other musical fields, like writing songs or producing music for other artists. This does not appear to be the case for Kai (1981), whose article only mentions singing, radio DJ, actor, and reality competition judge. So Kai (entertainer, born 1981) probably. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose more evidence that the Michael Jackson album ought to follow en.wp rules. All this constant disruption to save "(Michael Jackson album)" appearing on a Michael Jackson album? Why are we making this album an exception that disrupts the entire project? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose also note that there is Kai (Canadian singer) so I don't see enough of a case for a PDAB[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal

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Not moved. This is not a merge proposal but a requested move identical to the one above. That one resulted in a very clear consensus against the move, which the opinions expressed in this discussion agree with. Lennart97 (talk) 13:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge Kai (entertainer, born 1994) into Kai (entertainer) and Kai (musician, born 1981) into Kai (musician). Birth year not needed in these titles of two articles. -St3095 ^(?) 05:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per the discussion closed less than a week ago.

I would have !voted oppose in that discussion. That and this proposal are guaranteed ways to accumulate bad links, which give readers wrong information and degrade the encyclopedia. Narky Blert (talk) 09:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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awards

he’s nominated best male artist at 2021 mama awards. and he won best male artist at 2021 Asian Pop Music Awards 2001:448A:2002:F265:A883:D560:6D1A:2B4 (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Add information to Television series

Add "I Live Alone" to the TV show and specify the date of the show Kai appeared on.WXY0224 (talk) 22:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@WXY0224: Kai was only a guest on I Live Alone. We don't list guest appearances. Alex (talk) 23:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2022

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"Change this article's main heading to Kai and also include his signature" BBH506EXO (talk) 14:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Please link to an uploaded image of the signature to be added to the infobox before requesting for the signature to be added. Thanks, Terasail ^[✉️] 14:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmh (song)

Someone who can add more information about Kai's solo debut song Mmmh, please do contribute and thanks in advance! EndlessKai (talk) 08:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Several changes needed

- New World was a show on Netflix, so it should be under "television" not "web show"

- He became a model for beauty brand Charmzone in 2022

- In 2022, he became a model for the health and beauty chain Olive Young alongside Hwasa

- Under music videos, he has a guest appearance in Girls Generation-TTS Twinkle

- Under collaborations, add Hot & Cold from the 2022 Winter Palace SMTOWN : SMCU Palace album

- "Kai has been selected as the first Gucci Eyewear Men Global Ambassador in Korea." this line can be deleted as his Gucci ambassadorship is already mentioned under "Entertainments"

- "Entertainments" should be relabelled commercials, endorsements or brand ambassadorships because that section has nothing to do with entertainment Exokaifan (talk) 18:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Exokaifan Netflix like any other OTTs are streaming media/service on web therefore it is correct that "New World" which is a Netflix show is under a web show. About Charmzone I would agree as you provide a reliable source and also about Olive Young but provide a reliable source. We don't list guest appearances on filmographies. Provide also a reliable source about "Hot & Cold". I will or other experienced editors to edit the content about "..Gucci Eyewear Men Global Ambassador.." and the last part about Entertainment section. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 01:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how articles are qualified as reliable but these are from Korean media:

Articles about Charmzone:

https://www.cstimes.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=487718

https://www.ftimes.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=16627

http://www.ikunkang.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=35263

Articles about Olive Young:

http://www.newspost.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=101810

http://www.shinailbo.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=1599357

http://www.fnnews.com/news/202209150858481361

Articles about Hot and Cold as well as it's Spotify page where the credits are visible:

http://enter.etoday.co.kr/news/view/234922

http://www.tvdaily.co.kr/read.php3?aid=16720127881663303010

https://star.ytn.co.kr/_sn/0117_202212260927364183

https://open.spotify.com/track/1oy2B6xsqSwCRBBynYtaUl?si=7d7ddcb9a5b64b6e Exokaifan (talk) 22:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The personal life section: On May 3, 2023, SM Entertainment announced through Exo's official fan club that Kai would have fulfill his military mandatory service as a social service worker on May 11.

should have a "would have to fulfill" as it is grammatically incorrect otherwise 97.115.34.122 (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 16:52, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnotes

@RachelTensions Can you elaborate why hatnotes are unnecessary in this article? 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 22:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. WP:NOHAT: when the article name is not ambiguous a hatnote is not needed. "Kai (entertainer, born 1994)" is an unambiguous article title because we've added disambiguators to it.

A reader who is following links within Wikipedia is unlikely to end up at Water (wuxing) if they were looking for other meanings of water, since water does not redirect there.
In this context, a reader who is following links within Wikipedia is unlikely to end up at "Kai (entertainer, born 1994)" when they're actually looking for "Kai (singer, born 1981)" (or one of the other Kais).

It'd be different if one was at "Kai (entertainer)" or "Kai (singer)" because those would be ambiguous with other articles, but we've got a double disambiguator on these so they are very unambiguous. RachelTensions (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguators

Noticed this a few weeks ago and meant to bring it up... we have multiple "Kai" singers that use inconsistent disambiguators... some use nationality, some use year of birth. According to WP:CONSISTENT, they should all use the same disambiguator. Hoping we can workshop together to determine what would be the most ideal options and then proceed with a full RM once we've worked things out.

Right now:

Kai (Canadian singer) - a singer
Kai (musician, born 1993) - a singer, producer, guitarist, etc. - fitting of the disambiguator "musician"
Kai (singer, born 1981) - a singer with a fairly extensive musical theatre background as an actor, probably fits "entertainer" more than just "singer".
Kai (entertainer, born 1994) - a singer who has acted in a few roles but would be primarily notable as a singer

Some notes:

Per WP:NCPDAB, "years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators, as readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it." But, we might have to.
Per WP:SINGERDAB, an RFC has established consensus that ""(entertainer)" "should be restricted to cases where a subject's notability across different areas of entertainment is roughly the same".

Some options:

Option 1 - get rid of years of birth entirely (probably not ideal because the two South Korean Kais would still be ambiguous, but if a hatnote stops us from having to complicate things further then so be it):

Kai (Canadian singer) → stay as is
Kai (musician, born 1993) → Kai (Japanese musician)
Kai (singer, born 1981) → Kai (South Korean entertainer)
Kai (entertainer, born 1994) → Kai (South Korean singer)

Option 2 - use years of birth for everyone (again probably not ideal per WP:NCPDAB, but might be the cleanest way to do it)

Kai (Canadian singer) → Kai (singer, born 1990)
Kai (musician, born 1993) → stay as is
Kai (singer, born 1981) → Kai (entertainer, born 1981)
Kai (entertainer, born 1994) → Kai (singer, born 1994)

Option 3 - get rid of years of birth except for the two South Korean Kais:

Kai (Canadian singer) → stay as is
Kai (musician, born 1993) → Kai (Japanese musician)
Kai (singer, born 1981) → Kai (South Korean entertainer, born 1981)
Kai (entertainer, born 1994) → Kai (South Korean singer, born 1994)

Option 4 - least amount of moves:

Kai (Canadian singer) → Kai (singer, born 1990)
Kai (musician, born 1993) → stay as is
Kai (singer, born 1981) → stay as is
Kai (entertainer, born 1994) → stay as is

I'm open to other suggestions as long as we can get the four articles to some sort of consistent naming convention.

Pinging users who seem to be recent caretakers of these articles for their input: @Btspurplegalaxy, @Windborne Rider, @Snowman304, @RDWolfgang (I don't see any recent consistent contributors for 1981 or Canadian) Also pinging other users I currently see on my watchlist who I know edit similar articles: @Orangesclub, @Nkon21, @Paper9oll, @Seefooddiet, @PepeBonus RachelTensions (talk) 23:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Think 3 is the best of those options; the South Korean ones are both singers so not including birth year would be confusing seefooddiet (talk) 23:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this take -- Dantus21 (talk) 00:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I choose option 3; differentiate between nationalities is more easier than birth years. PepeBonus (talk) 04:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Think 3 is the best of those options; the South Korean ones are both singers so not including birth year would be confusing [[User:seefooddiet|seefooddiet]] ([[User talk:seefooddiet|talk]]) 23:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
 ::Agree with this take -- [[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]] ([[User talk:Dantus21|talk]]) 00:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
+:I choose option 3; differentiate between nationalities is more easier than birth years. [[User:PepeBonus|PepeBonus]] ([[User talk:PepeBonus|talk]]) 04:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)