Talk:Biniverse

Article Rating

FYI: I just changed the article rating from B to C using WP:Rater. Royiswariii (talk) 12:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I think you have meant "from C to B", but no worries. Thank you for the recent ratings on Bini-related articles and Kaia (group).

Just a friendly note: You might have noticed that the Rater tool’s dialog includes a machine-generated prediction of article quality (from ORES) in the lower right corner. While this prediction can be helpful for quickly assessing the quality of articles, it's important to remember that it should be taken with a grain of salt as human evaluation of article quality is continually needed. You can also find this note at Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Assessment#Rater and User:Evad37/rater#Assessment advice. If you need guidance on assessing content quality, you can refer to the grading scheme table found in Wikipedia:Content assessment. AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 13:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your friendly note! I always check Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Assessment#Rater and User:Evad37/rater#Assessment advice since the rater was a prediction and need a human evaluation for that. Royiswariii (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Grand Biniverse

Is the Grand Biniverse considered part of the initial Biniverse concert series, or is it a separate event? My understanding is that the initial Biniverse refers specifically to the series of concerts that began at the New Frontier Theater and expanded to regional venues in the Philippines and a North American tour. By contrast, the Grand Biniverse seems to be a distinct concert event set for the Araneta Coliseum, likely designed to be a larger, standalone show following the initial Biniverse run.

Could anyone confirm if the Grand Biniverse is indeed meant as an independent follow-up rather than part of the original Biniverse series? Especially since it is mentioned in Biniverse § Araneta Coliseum that the Grand Biniverse would be a different show from the previous Biniverse concerts. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It was my understanding that it is a culminating act. Borgenland (talk) 05:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Further, it remains to be seen whether sufficient sources exist to document GBV as a stand-alone. Borgenland (talk) 05:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Grand Biniverse set list

Bini members Sheena and Colet performed both Billie Jean and Smooth Criminal during their duo performance, but most reliable sources generalized them as a "Michael Jackson medley". Is it fine to explicitly list the two songs under the set list or remove them since the sources don't explicitly mention them? To conform with Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth (Wikipedia:Verifiability)? AstrooKai (Talk) 14:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I am inclined to remove on grounds of WP:OR. Borgenland (talk) 14:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hoping tho that the follow up to this article [1] mentions the exact song. Borgenland (talk) 14:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I have read that source earlier. Unfortunately, I think it's not a reliable source (in case it will be used in future date), since it's primarily the author's opinion or POV about the concert (since they use "I" as way to express their opinion).

For now, I will remove the entry of Colet and Sheena's duo performance on the set list per WP:NOR and WP:V. I do looking forward for a follow-up or update on the existing reliable sources to explicitly mention Sheena and Colet's songs on their duo performances. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not reliable if one wishes to wants to find adjectives, but it can stand for a matter-of-fact who-what-where-when query. Borgenland (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I see. Just want to let you know that I have removed the duo performance from the set list for the said reason.

Anyone who wishes to ask me regarding this may do it on this thread. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

There's also a problem with B HU U R but the ref still needs to be salvaged if only to specify when Vice Ganda attended. Borgenland (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

The note about Vice Ganda's attendance, as well as Regine Velasquez's may be also removed if we would consider both WP:NOR and WP:V. Not just because they're not explicitly stated in the cited article, but they also seem to be a self-interpretation by the editor who added them based on their experience of the concert. Also, per WP:FULLCITE, all content must be verifiable, and that includes the source explicitly stating the material. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

GBV Image

Is there a poster than can be used for GBV? Just like in the NFT. Borgenland (talk) 14:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

There is. In fact, it was actually added in the article back then but was removed. You can re-add them if it's fine, but the image file was removed per WP:F5. You can upload it again. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I'm planning to add an infobox for the Biniverse § Araneta Coliseum to include the poster, but I'm having second thoughts about it. Would it be appropriate to add another infobox for a subsection, even though there's already a main infobox? Though, the main infobox only pertains to the NFT concert. AstrooKai (Talk) 18:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I think in this case we would need a community discussion on which poster best represents this whole concert series. Personally I'm inclinced to replace the current one with the GBV. Borgenland (talk) 12:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Also, personally, I'm inclined to replace the poster in the main infobox with the poster of the most recent Biniverse concert. Presently, this would be GBV's, but if the poster for the Philippine Arena is released, then I prefer the poster for that concert to be placed in the infobox. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

calling @Royiswariii, @Orojackson56 and @Indo360 for thoughts. Borgenland (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, people!

Maybe can add another infobox per MOS:INFOBOX or just a poster just add what's the purpose of the poster and where do you put the poster.

To be clear, I will mention my designated mentor CFA to answer this question too. Also, mentioning again Indo360 since it didn't mention. Royiswariii Talk! 01:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Royiswariii. Yes, you can use multiple infoboxes in an article if the consensus is that it would be appropriate. See also: Help:Infobox#Combining multiple infoboxes. If you're going to use a non-free image, though, you have to make sure to fill out a fair-use rationale that explains how it fulfills the non-free content criteria even if it is not the main topic of the article. C F A 12:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for helping us CFA!

AstrooKai, Borgenland I hope this question are answered. If you have any questions just ping me or go to my talk page. Royiswariii Talk! 13:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

None. Leaving it out to the rest to make the infobox as labeling images are not exactly my expertise. Borgenland (talk) 13:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, I'm notifying you all that I am currently working a article for new christmas single song of Bini "Joy to the World". Royiswariii Talk! 13:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Royiswariii! Thanks for being interested in drafting an article for Bini's "Joy to the World". I'm open to any request for assistance, so feel free to reach out if you need anything.

I also want to remind you about WP:NCOVER—make sure the article can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original (enough uniqueness from the original version). Happy editing! AstrooKai (Talk) 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Actual names of each performance

Since there is a chronology section on the concert infoboxes, I wondered if the term "Biniverse" refers to the NFT concert and the regional and North American legs or just the NFT concert. Since "concert" refers to a single musical performance, for example, "Biniverse: The First Solo Concert", which refers to the NFT performance. Should "Biniverse" (which refers to the entire tour) be used for the chronology when referring to the last concert, or should the official names be used? Here are the official names of the concert shows based on the marketing materials by the management and sources:

• Biniverse: The First Solo Concert (refers to the New Frontier Theater show) [1][2]
• Biniverse Baguio [2]
• Biniverse Cebu [2]
• Biniverse GenSan [2]
• The Grand Biniverse (the Araneta Coliseum concert) [3]
• Grand Biniverse: The Valentine Repeat (the soon-to-be Philippine Arena concert) [4]

My concern is the accuracy of reflecting these concert names in the chronology section since "Biniverse" refers to these shows as a whole, and the fact that "Biniverse" is shown as the last concert in the infobox of Biniverse § Araneta Coliseum. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Wasn't there the previous renaming discussion before here? Borgenland (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the article's name, I'm talking about the concerts' names in the chronology section of the infoboxes. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)