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Lauren at L Strategies (talk · contribs) has been paid by Laurel Strategies on behalf of David McCormick.

Updates and corrections

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi, my name is Lauren, and I work for Laurel Strategies on behalf of David McCormick. I am requesting a few edits which will add some updated information, and remove outdated information. Thanks for your time and consideration.

In the Introduction section, please change "over $160 billion" to "approximately US$160 billion in assets under management"^[1] with the updated source.
In the Education section, please add that he earned a Ph.D. "in international relations" from Princeton's "School of Public and International Affairs."^[2]
In the following sentence please add the full title of the book, which is "The Downsized Warrior: America's Army in Transition".
At the end of the Education section, please add the following sentence and source: In 2021, McCormick received an honorary degree from Dickinson College.^[3]
In the Career section, in the subheading called "1987 to 1992" please change "leaving" to "graduating".
In the Career section, in the subheading called "2005 to 2009" please change "G-8" to "Group of 8 (G8)".

References

^ GmbH, finanzen net. "Ray Dalio's Bridgewater lost $12.1 billion in 2020 - but he's still the best-performing hedge fund manager of all time". markets.businessinsider.com. Retrieved 2021-08-18.
^ "A Conversation with General C.Q. Brown and David McCormick *94 *96 | The G. S. Beckwith Gilbert '63 Lectures". gilbertlectures.princeton.edu. Retrieved 2021-08-18.
^ Sheriff, Sarah. "2021 Honorary Degree Recipients". www.dickinson.edu.

I appreciate all your help. L Strategies (talk) 17:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Implemented @L Strategies: I have implemented the requested changes. S0091 (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The main article calls it an "attack" on the Capitol. Is that really accurate or mere rhetoric aimed at baling political hay for Democrats? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional updates and corrections

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi again. Thanks so much to S0091 for implementing my edits above. I would also like to request a few additional edits that also add updated information, and remove outdated information. I really appreciate your help.

In the Career section, in the subheading called "2009 to Present" please replace "Since 2016 he has served as co-CEO", which is incorrect, with "He became co-CEO in 2017,^[1]
In the section called "Trusteeship & Philanthropy", please remove the Trilateral Commission, Carnegie Mellon University, and Rare from the list of his memberships/trusteeships. He is no longer a member or trustee of those institutions.
In the Personal life section, Dina Powell is still an executive at Goldman Sachs, so please remove "a former".
In the Personal life section, please change the last sentence; it should read as follows: They have six children between them and reside in Connecticut.^[2]

References

^ "Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center". Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center.
^ "Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center". Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center.

Thanks for all the help. Lauren at L Strategies (talk) 21:07, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 11:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Heartmusic678 for implementing the edits. Your efforts are much appreciated. Lauren at L Strategies (talk) 14:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lauren at L Strategies: You're welcome :D. Heartmusic678 (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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How many children

McCormick says he has six children (daughters), but the Wikipedia article says he only four children. So which is it? Why the descrepancy? 173.79.45.183 (talk) 22:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's on his second marriage, so I would venture he has some biological children and some step children. This press release supports that, but doesn't say how many bio and how many step. I can't find a reliable source for any of this. Marquardtika (talk) 20:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is McCormick the Senator-Elect?

McCormick won, stop being election deniers Hthompson2000 (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTFORUM. If you wish to have the article reflect this view, please find and add reliable secondary sources to say so. Or alternatively, wait a little while until these become plentiful as the election is actually declared or conceded. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly every newspaper in the state of Pennsylvania is recognizing McCormick’s win over Casey. The race is over. Naterybner (talk) 00:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There’s an expected recount, it hasn’t been called. 2604:3D09:982:A200:F81D:96DA:DD10:29A2 (talk) 08:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its been called by AP 24.55.143.87 (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, AP is a reliable source. However, “the Associated Press called the race for McCormick on Thursday. But the Pennsylvania Secretary of State noted not long after the AP call that there were “at least 100,000 ballots remaining to be adjudicated, including provisional, military, overseas, and Election Day votes.”

Source: https://penncapital-star.com/election-2024/pennsylvania-dept-of-state-says-outcome-still-unclear-in-casey-mccormick-senate-race-as-deadline-looms/

It’s the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania who makes the call not the AP. 184.67.65.74 (talk) 19:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 100,000 figure is no longer accurate. As of Wednesday afternoon, that number was around 80,000. [1]https://penncapital-star.com/election-2024/senate-pennsylvania-prepares-for-a-recount-as-casey-and-mccormick-campaigns-focus-on-ballots/ Probably even less now. Epicradman123 (talk) 01:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The margin isn’t 1,000 votes, recounts don’t change by tens of thousands of votes. The election is over, the race has been called, and the government is recognizing David McCormick as a senator elect who’s participated in leadership votes for his chamber’s caucus for the next two years.

His page is not the place to call for election integrity. Naterybner (talk) 14:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The legal requirement for a recount in Pennsylvania is if the results are one-half of 1 percent margin that triggers a mandatory recount under state law. Nothing to do with “the margin being 1,000 votes. Not to mention that thousands of votes are still uncounted.

https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/dos/newsroom/unofficial-results-in-u-s--senate-race-trigger-legally-required-.html 24.114.27.143 (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angela Alsobrooks and Andy Kim are both in races that have been called by DecisionDeskHQ and the Associated Press. In the neighboring states of New Jersey and Maryland, on their Wikipedia pages they are labeled as Senator Elect’s. There are still outstanding votes left in both of these states, should we take away their “Senator elect” labels? Naterybner (talk) 22:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wP:OTHERSTUFF. Which networks have not called those elections. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not an argument, I’m comparing apples to apples, or in this case, senator elects to senator elects. Naterybner (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A decisive and accurate argument. You're comparing apples that have been 'called' by every outlet with apples than have been only been by a minority, and where the official apple-picker has explicitly said they're not apples at all. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 18:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The AP isn’t a reliable source? 2600:100C:B24F:D8BE:7CCC:8FD2:4D91:8C28 (talk) 17:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AP is reliable. However, the Secretary of State in Pennsylvania stated after the AP called it that it was not called.

Source: https://penncapital-star.com/election-2024/pennsylvania-dept-of-state-says-outcome-still-unclear-in-casey-mccormick-senate-race-as-deadline-looms/ 184.67.65.74 (talk) 19:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Secretary of State doesn’t make calls, they certify results on a given date. Naterybner (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that "called" customarily describes "a prediction made by a media outlet", sure, you could make (the first part of that) semantic quibble. Nonetheless, aside from the results not yet being certified, the SoS has in this case explicitly stated it's not clear what they are yet. Now if every or even most reliable sources said otherwise and had "called" the election over his protestations, that'd be a different matter. But they have not. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While they do certify results on a given day that’s not the sole thing they do, they are responsible for ensuring the integrity of the electoral process. If the results are one-half of 1 percent margin that triggers a mandatory recount under state law.

https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/dos/newsroom/unofficial-results-in-u-s--senate-race-trigger-legally-required-.html 184.67.65.74 (talk) 17:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A recount of this margin has never flipped a statewide race in Pennsylvania before, and a recount isn’t some new election, they just recount the votes that have already been counted. Naterybner (talk) 22:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, that's pretty much the definition of 'a recount'. However in this case it appears they're still counting or scrutinising provisional ballots. If it were clear he'd won the remaining networks would be 'calling' it; as they're not, it's pretty clear-cut Wikipedia policy we don't start second-guessing that. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pro Life

Missing in the subject “Political Positions.” Easeltine (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Results

Okay, we seriously have to reach a consensus on this. I think it’s pretty clear McCormick won the race. Yes, there is the argument about news calls but certainly the senate believed that the results were decisive enough to have him at senate orientation. There also appears that there just aren’t enough ballots for Casey to win at this point Dancingtudorqueen (talk) 22:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CRYSTAL BALL and existing practice, we do not make these calls ourselves. If there weren't enough ballots to change the results, then every other news network would've called the race. There is no harm in waiting. {{U.S. current election editnotice}} makes this abundantly clear, and should be added to this page and Bob Casey, Jr., just like it's been added to the PA Election and 2024 Senate Elections pages. CC: @Elli. AG202 (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It's fine to mention "X has called the race for McCormick, while Y hasn't" but we should not call a race before all the major organizations do. Personally, I doubt Casey makes up the gap, but there could be something these networks know that we don't... there is no rush here, and it'd be much worse to get it wrong than to get it right slightly later. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Also to be clear, I'm not going to take any admin actions in this regard because it's reasonable to consider me involved. But please, just wait a bit.) Elli (talk | contribs) 22:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Where can I request additional action for this article; I do not want to keep edit warring over it. AG202 (talk) 23:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we have a reliable source that says 'he's not formally the Senator-Elect, but the results were decisive enough to have him at senate orientation', then we can include that, attributed as necessary. What we can't do is just elide that to 'he won, get over it, LOL'. That's be WP:OR (and more besides). 109.255.211.6 (talk) 08:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"McCormick has declared victory..."

"... while most congressional Democrats still view the race as too close to call." This has been added and removed a couple of times. It seems like it'd be useful content, provided that a) it's true, b) it's all true, and c) more to the point, all sourceable and indeed sourced. Anyone have some cites for these assertions? 109.255.211.6 (talk) 10:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added that he's claimed the win as there's a ton of sources for that at least. Perhaps the 'he won, stop the steal!!!!!' editors would be partly sated if we made that more prominent, say on the lede para? I'm in two minds on that, opinions sought. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sate knowledge, not random partisans. But I agree that his claiming victory can be included. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_{my edits}) 11:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There may be some brigading...

...from this. Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_{my edits}) 18:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ABC called the race for McCormick

~~Linked here. They called it on the 7th.... Someone should update the page. Scuba 23:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

@Scu ba: No they haven’t. The article you linked says it’s from the Associated Press at the top. AG202 (talk) 01:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah sorry, didn't see, I'll strike my request out. Scuba 01:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decision desk hq just called it for McCormick

They just called it. Redman443 (talk) 19:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They seem a little second-string to me -- there was no mention of them in the article as having not called it prior to this -- but that fact might well be worth adding in the context of AP and Fox's earlier 'calls'. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 19:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 15 November 2024

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In the section Career in politics and government/U.S. Senate campaigns/2022, the last paragraph, there is an awkwardly-formatted Wiki link:

According to Politico, those ads hurt Oz during his general election campaign against Democratic nominee John Fetterman, ...

Can we correct the formatting so that it shows as Democratic, or remove the link altogether since the link exists previously in the article?

Thanks! Leuqarte (talk) 13:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leuqarte,

Done. I have removed the wikilink. Fathoms Below (talk) 16:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third paragraph language should be changed.

There are no longer 100,000 outstanding ballots. The recount is already ongoing. Language should be changed to something like "but ABC, CBS, CNN, and NBC have yet to make a projection due to the close margin and an ongoing recount." Epicradman123 (talk) 17:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reversal of 2022 positions

It should be probably added to the 2024 campaign section that this time around McCormick's campaign actually asked the court not to count undated or misdated mail-in ballots[2] and declared victory ahead of the mandatory recount due to less-than-0.5% gap in votes[3]. So full reversal of crucial 2022 positions, which we don't have to point out explicitly (like Josh Shapiro did) but the readers can readily observe themselves. Deinocheirus (talk) 19:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 December 2024

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David McCormick → Dave McCormick – It seems he uses "Dave" more than "David" based on his campaign site, the Associated Press, and other reliable sources. JE98 (talk) 15:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support McCormick refers to himself as Dave more than David, and at least half the sources refer to him as "Dave McCormick." BlueShirtz (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Theparties (talk) 23:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the reasons other users gave above. Also noting that it appears the name Dave was used on ballots in Pennsylvania during the 2024 election (example: [4]). Ozwow (talk) 05:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] GmbH, finanzen net. "Ray Dalio's Bridgewater lost $12.1 billion in 2020 - but he's still the best-performing hedge fund manager of all time". markets.businessinsider.com. Retrieved 2021-08-18.

[2] "A Conversation with General C.Q. Brown and David McCormick *94 *96 | The G. S. Beckwith Gilbert '63 Lectures". gilbertlectures.princeton.edu. Retrieved 2021-08-18.

[3] Sheriff, Sarah. "2021 Honorary Degree Recipients". www.dickinson.edu.

[4] "Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center". Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center.

[5] "Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center". Five Questions with Dina Powell McCormick | Bush Center.

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 :*'''Support''' McCormick refers to himself as Dave more than David, and at least half the sources refer to him as "Dave McCormick." [[User:BlueShirtz|BlueShirtz]] ([[User talk:BlueShirtz|talk]]) 22:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Theparties|Theparties]] ([[User talk:Theparties|talk]]) 23:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
+:'''Support''' per the reasons other users gave above. Also noting that it appears the name Dave was used on ballots in Pennsylvania during the 2024 election (example: [https://apps.alleghenycounty.us/website/PDF_GEN/2024%20Gen.%20Sample%20Ballot%20(590).pdf|]). [[User:Ozwow|Ozwow]] ([[User talk:Ozwow|talk]]) 05:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)