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700dandalv (talk) 13:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm Hilst. An edit that you recently made to Cleavage (breasts) seemed to be generated using a large language model (an "AI chatbot" or other application using such technology). Text produced by these applications can be unsuitable for an encyclopedia, and output must be carefully checked. Your edit may have been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 23:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hilst. I used a language tool to help me write, but everything has been fact-checked and is accurate as of December, 2024. In-line with your statement and request, output must be carefully checked, and it has been.

There were sentences that were written (very clearly by a male who fetishises cleavage and sees women as a sex object...and quite frankly we don't need to hear his opinions about the best cleavage, and "wet" cleavage, as this is a subjective opinion, not factually correct, and is inappropriate), which utilised sexist rhetoric, or language that was not inclusive to transgender women, and so I asked AI to "rewrite this sentence in a way which is not sexist" and it did so. With this tool, we are able to rewrite the harmful sentences without removing the important information. I used an AI tool to ensure that I was being objective and making sure that we are protecting women as a marginalised group. The rewrites are factually accurate and you are welcome to check them. The rewrites are backed up by MVAWG experts around the world, so the output is correct and inclusive. I have also added several statements myself, such as ensuring that people check any studies for peer-review and scientific evidence, rather than taking harmful theories as gospel with no evidence. I have also gone through manually and remove any harmful rape myths myself. Sources have been included, and I have not removed the previous writer's relevant source information.

I think it's important to ensure that the information on this page does not spread harmful misinformation, victim-blaming stereotypes, and sexist statements. The person who wrote this article was clearly a male, who was sexualising women at any chance they get and tend to give biased opinions on women's breasts i.e. "wet them to give better cleavage", and saying "men like large cleavage" etc which are harmful sexist stereotypes which objectify women. Plenty of men prefer smaller breasts, and regardless, a man's opinion on what a woman's breasts "should" be, has no place on a factual page explaining what cleavage is. A man's opinion on a woman's body is not appropriate here, unless backed up by scientific fact - which many statements in this article were not. The user constantly gives constant opinions of men in a sexualised manner e.g. this man/author/artist/director has the opinion that breasts are xyz, which are quite frankly, irrelevant to explaining what cleavage is. This is innapropriate for children to read, where they may then internalise harmful, false views such as that the 'gap between a woman's breasts is recommended to be xyz' by "doctors", when this is an opionion, factually incorrect, and not supported by science.

What is absolutely terrifying is that when I saw how many edits there had been, and clearly mostly by men who are fetishising women's breasts and writing an article based on their sexualised opinion rather than true, scientific facts - I was very concerned about how this may affect people who read this. The previous article was damaging and contained a gobsmacking amount of rape myths and victim-blaming with no context to explain why this is.

Everything I have left is factually accurate, and I have checked that it is in line with current MVAWG research. Please do go through the article and let me know exactly what you're not content with, what you believe to be inaccurate information etc, and I am happy to get back to you and alter things. Please do not revert this back to the original as it contains harmful rape myths which could do a lot of harm to women if people read and internalise these as correct.

Please do go through and let me know what you believe to be inaccurate. Trj56msn (talk) 09:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 24: / Line 24: @@
 [[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm [[User:Hilst|Hilst]]. An edit that you recently made to [[:Cleavage (breasts)]] seemed to be generated using a [[large language model]] (an "[[AI chatbot]]" or other application using such technology). Text produced by these applications can be [[Wikipedia:Large language models#Risks and relevant policies|unsuitable for an encyclopedia]], and output must be carefully checked. Your edit may have been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. If you want to practice editing, please use [[User:Trj56msn/sandbox|your sandbox]]. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on [[User talk:Hilst|my talk page]]. Thanks.[[Category:User talk pages with large language model notices|{{PAGENAME}}]]<!-- Template:uw-ai1 --> – 🌻 [[User:Hilst|Hilst]] ([[User talk:Hilst|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hilst|contribs]]) 23:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
+:Hi Hilst. I used a language tool to help me write, but everything has been fact-checked and is accurate as of December, 2024. In-line with your statement and request, '''output must be carefully checked''', and it '''has''' been.
+:There were sentences that were written (very clearly by a male who '''fetishises''' cleavage and sees women as a sex object...and quite frankly we don't need to hear his opinions about the best cleavage, and "wet" cleavage, as this is a subjective opinion, not factually correct, and is '''inappropriate'''), which utilised '''sexist rhetoric''', or language that was '''not inclusive '''to transgender women, and so I asked AI to "''rewrite this sentence in a way which is not sexist''" and it did so. With this tool, we are able to rewrite the harmful sentences without removing the important information. I used an AI tool to ensure that I was being objective and making sure that we are protecting women as a marginalised group. The rewrites '''are factually accurate''' and you are welcome to check them. The rewrites are backed up by '''MVAWG experts''' around the world, so the output is correct and inclusive. I have also added several statements myself, such as ensuring that people check any studies for peer-review and scientific evidence, rather than taking harmful theories as gospel with no evidence. I have also gone through manually and remove any harmful '''rape myths''' myself. Sources have been included, and I have not removed the previous writer's '''relevant''' source information.
+:I think it's important to ensure that the information on this page does not spread harmful misinformation, victim-blaming stereotypes, and sexist statements. The person who wrote this article was clearly a male, who was sexualising women at any chance they get and tend to give '''biased''' opinions on women's breasts i.e. "wet them to give better cleavage", and saying "men like large cleavage" etc which are harmful sexist stereotypes which objectify women. Plenty of men prefer smaller breasts, and regardless, a man's opinion on what a woman's breasts "should" be, has no place on a factual page explaining what cleavage is. A man's opinion on a woman's body is not appropriate here, unless backed up by scientific fact - which many statements in this article were '''not'''. The user constantly gives constant opinions of men in a sexualised manner e.g. this man/author/artist/director has the opinion that breasts are xyz, which are quite frankly, irrelevant to explaining what cleavage is. This is '''innapropriate for children''' to read, where they may then internalise '''harmful, false views''' such as that the 'gap between a woman's breasts is recommended to be xyz' by "doctors", when this is an opionion, factually incorrect, and not supported by science.
+:What is absolutely terrifying is that when I saw how many edits there had been, and clearly mostly by men who are fetishising women's breasts and writing an article based on their sexualised opinion rather than true, scientific facts - I was very concerned about how this may affect people who read this. The previous article was '''damaging''' and contained a gobsmacking amount of '''rape myths''' and '''victim-blaming''' with no context to explain why this is.
+:Everything I have left is '''factually accurate''', and I have checked that it is '''in line with current MVAWG research.''' Please do go through the article and let me know exactly what you're not content with, what you believe to be inaccurate information etc, and I am happy to get back to you and alter things. Please do not revert this back to the original as '''it contains harmful rape myths''' which '''could do a lot of harm to women''' if people read and internalise these as correct.
+:Please do go through and let me know what you believe to be inaccurate. [[User:Trj56msn|Trj56msn]] ([[User talk:Trj56msn#top|talk]]) 09:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)