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December 24

Duplicative text on Help:Disambiguation?

Hi. I think there is a superfluous paragraph at the end of Help:Disambiguation. I added this topic to the Talk page asking about it. The automated help text told me that this particular Talk page is "not watched by many users" and suggested asking my question here. So: Is there a superfluous paragraph at the end of Help:Disambiguation? If the last two paragraphs say the same thing, one should be eliminated; if not, one or both should be rewritten to clarify the point each is trying to make. Larrydberg (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Larrydberg: I guess Waddie96 meant to reformulate the existing paragraph in [1] but forgot to remove the old version. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I believe so. Apologies. I fixed the issue. waddie96 ★ (talk) 07:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Required for Published Article Not Going Live

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

I hope this message finds you well. I published an article on India Semiconductor Mission (username - Display Ecosystem) in November, and it has not gone live yet. The article draft can be found at the following link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DisplayEcosystem

I would like to understand the status of this article and whether there are any additional steps or issues preventing it from being moved to the live Wikipedia space. Your guidance on resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Best regards, Sonali Jain DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It's because all of that content is on your Userpage. If you want to publish it completely then you should move it to a new space. However, I'd move that content to a draft and continue working on it since it still doesn't look ready to me. Should I move it to a draft so you can continue working on it? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Please guide me on further steps to make it live. It would be really great if you could provide me with your valuable feedbacks on page and it's content. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes sure, you can move it to draft so that I can publish it again. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I'll create a draft for you but please keep working on the content to make it better and then publish it. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

What do you want the title to be? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

The article is all about "India Semiconductor Mission". DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I have left a message on your talk page. If you are employed at India Semiconductor Mission, you are considered a paid editor and should make a paid contribution disclosure as explained in the message. Please also see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 05:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I would like to clarify that I am not employed at India Semiconductor Mission. This page is being created for a government organization, which operates under the Ministry. Therefore, it should not be considered as a paid contribution.

I kindly request your guidance on any further enhancements or adjustments required to meet Wikipedia's standards. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

You would also be a paid editor if you are employed or paid by the Ministry. For advice on your draft, it currently has no sources apart from external links. Wikipedia does not care about what India Semiconductor Mission or the Ministry says about itself. You need to find reliable sources that are independent of India Semiconductor Mission and base the article on what those sources say. If no such sources can be found, the organization probably does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria. You can also read Help:Your first article for further advice. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @DisplayEcosystem.

Editors who try to create an article before they have spent significant time learning how Wikipedia works often have a disappointing and frustrating task, because they have no idea what it takes to create a Wikipedia article. It's like trying to build a house when you have no knowledge of surveying, building, plumbing, electrical installation, etc. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Be aware that Wikipedia is basically not interested at all in what you know (whoever you are) or in what the subject of the article (or their associates) say or want to say. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, and very little else. First find your sources (and make sure they are independent: see WP:42) then forget everything you know about the subject, and write a summary of what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭

I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 41.122.130.103 (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

What happens when you use Special:Login? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 17:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag of Syria

How can I change current Syrian flag in the page List of songs recorded by Zecchino d'Oro with the 1980-2024 version? 176.200.157.77 (talk) 17:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

This discussion might be helpful: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Syrian_flag Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

George Washington

It states in the Wikipedia, George Washington, political party - independent. I believe that to be incorrect and he was a member of the Whig. 2601:3C4:17C:3F0:64CC:8BE9:5A55:2B9E (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

If you wish to change it, you will need to provide a reliable source backing up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

In my knowledge he was never member of any political party.

About "George Washington" , I verified if my knowledge were wrong and I confirm he was never member of a political party accorded to searches done. Anatole-berthe (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

George Washington was not a member of a political party, and he was opposed to the very idea of political parties, as he explained in George Washington's Farewell Address in 1796. His thoughts on that matter have been widely ignored ever since, and Abraham Lincoln, for example, was heavily involved in party politics. Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cullen328 for the details about the matter. I did knew nothing about this letter.

Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Ahir cast surname add

Ahir cast 1 gujrati sAhirurname add chhaida છૈડા 2409:4041:E4E:24F8:0:0:9D09:8B08 (talk) 21:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

This forum is only about "Wikipedia in English language" and not "Wikipedia in another language". Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Are you asking to add something to Ahir or to Ahir clans? If so, the talk page of the relevant article is the best place to ask. But be aware that unless a reliable published source is found, information may not be added to Wikipedia articles. ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

2600:1700:55B0:810:5C4F:E631:B09C:2AEE (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Citing YouTube video is not allowed, what can I do?

Hello all!

I was revising a page about a TV drama and citing YouTube interviews of the actors which are rejected by the system. I ended up mentioning the year and program of the interviews, which got entirely removed by Rastinition, which I believe should be Wikipedia.

What can I do? Not sure if it is a piece of information that will make a difference, the language I am amending is traditional Chinese. Cwcw12 (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

If you are speaking about "Wikipedia in Chinese language". You're not on the right forum.

This is the forum for "Wikipedia in English".

The right forum is the next if you're talking about Wikipedia in Chinese language : https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B1%82%E5%8A%A9 Anatole-berthe (talk) 23:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

For the curious, these percent escaped unicode glyphs resolve to zh:維基百科:互助客棧/求助. This kind of inscrutable alpha­hexanumeric line noise is what is displayed in Firefox when attempting to see which Chinese Wikipedia page is being pointed to by {{ill}}. Folly Mox (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

On the English Wikipedia, the vast majority of YouTube videos are not acceptable as references. But not all are excluded. A YouTube video on the official channel of an established news outlet accepted as a reliable source is also presumed reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 04:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 25

Wrong information about Roman emperor Augustus

If Augustus was born in 63BC and died in AD14 he was 51 years old when he died. How come your Wikipedia lists his age 74 when he died. Please correct the information about Augustus’s age when he died in AD 14. 173.71.121.220 (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

You can make the change yourself and provide proper, reliable source to back up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Where does it say 74? Augustus correctly says 75. BC means Before Christ. AD meand Anno Domini which is after Christ. There was no year 0 and he didn't reach his birthday in his year of death so he was 63-1+14-1 = 75. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding crypto address for donations

Why dont you add crypto donations? Its probable easier for peoplr to transfer from digital wallet 184.98.196.150 (talk) 01:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

We don't have anything to do with the donation process; please offer your suggestions to donate@wikimedia.org. 331dot (talk) 01:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding to what 331dot said above, crypto donations were stopped following this global RfC, which you should read before making suggestions. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Pending Changes duration

Typically how long is Pending Changes turned on for individual articles? I ask because, assuming I'm interpreting the log correctly, Pending Changes has been turned on for the Henry David Thoreau article since 2017. Rockfang (talk) 07:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

It seems that Pending Changes status won't expired after a period of time. According to WP:PC, editors can make request for unprotection to remove PC. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

How do I change my monthly donation

How do I change my monthly donation 208.84.130.4 (talk) 10:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please?

Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for  my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? Nigelpegram (talk) 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

If you are Nigel Pegram here, then fortunately you are still alive on Wikipedia. Unfortunately Wikipedia has no control over what external websites and search engines say, and you would have to find a way of contacting them directly.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

(ec) The article about you(Nigel Pegram) currently indicates you are alive, though in November it was edited to say you had died(this edit, even providing a source, though I know little about it). This was removed, but perhaps Google has not indexed this change.

We can't help you with issues surrounding Google searches; you would need to contact Google or the sources that indicate you are deceased to ask them to issue corrections. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• This Google search infobox might give the impression that Wikipedia is saying that Nigel Pegram died on 28 October 2024. Not sure where they found this, but it wasn't the current version of the Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  They could have found it in the article version of 9 November added by an editor (Rolando Williams) who was maliciously altering various dates in biographies and has now been blocked. Apologies to @Nigelpegram and please note that the advice at WP:ASFAQ says that this is one type of vandalism you can immediately revert yourself. However, please make other suggestions for changes to the article on its Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  Dear Michael, Thank you so much for your quick reply and for explaining the situation.

  Happy Christmas!

  Best wishes

  Nigel (Pegram) Nigelpegram (talk) 14:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

@Nigelpegram: The alleged death was copied from Wikipedia to Nigel Pegram (Q106264634) at our sister project Wikidata on 11 November 2024.[2] It was removed from Wikipedia 16 November but not from Wikidata. I have now removed it. Google does not reveal sources for their data fields, only the text snippet at the start if it's from Wikipedia, so I cannot say whether it will have an effect later. Here is a stock reply for similar posts:

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

False historical information

I can’t seem to get any of the false historical information posted on this site to be removed / updated.

How can we get this addressed in a quick manner? 108.41.112.201 (talk) 16:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

If you've tried to remove false information by being bold and doing it yourself, remember to either include a source or remove information without a source. Wikipedia works on verifiability, not truth - if a reliable source reports on an untrue fact, Wikipedia will host it as if it was true in most cases. Enough factual information is published to where running this way is more efficient than being a platform of original research. Departure– (talk) 16:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Generally, the best way to address an inaccuracy in an article is to start on the article's talk page. If the "inaccuracy" is cited to a reliable source, you'd need to provide other reliable sources that counter it. Schazjmd (talk) 16:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to give you a clear answer when you haven't told us what article you were trying to edit. But generally, if you tried to remove something and got reverted, this is for one of three reasons:

1. . You removed something without explaining why in the edit summary, and an editor patrolling for vandalism mistook an unexplained removal for vandalism.
2. . You removed information which was, or appeared to be, verified by a reliable source. You will need to address this, either by showing that the source does not verify the information or is not reliable; or by adducing other reliable sources which support your version.
3. . You are working in a contentious topic, where different people have different views about what information is genuine and what is false.

Whichever of these cases applies, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page, making sure to ping the editor(s) who reverted your edits - you can find who they were by looking at the article's history. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Templates to cite journals, books, etc?

Template:Cite IUCN Template:Make cite IUCN is fantastic. You basically just copy-paste unformatted information (author name, title, publisher, etc) and it formats them for you. Do we not have templates that can cite other sources? A template that cites journal articles would be particularly helpful. They often have numerous authors and, depending on the topic, dozens may need to be cited to write one complete article. Surtsicna (talk) 21:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

There is a Template:Cite journal specifically for citing journal articles. You can find some more citation templates at Template:Citation Style documentation/cs1. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I remember coming across Template:London Gazette the other day and it functions somewhat similar to a citation template, maybe you can also find some templates you want at Category:Specific-source templates. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, Tutwakhamoe, I meant Template:Make cite IUCN. That one fills the parameters automatically. Surtsicna (talk) 22:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

There's always https://citer.toolforge.org/ for URLs, ISBNs, DOIs, PMID, PMCID, and OCLC. Schazjmd (talk) 22:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Schazjmd... that does exactly the trick! Wonderful. Thanks <3 Surtsicna (talk) 00:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Surtsicna There is also the WP:Citation expander, which you can install so that it is available as part of the source editor. It does an excellent job on digital object identifiers in particular, with slightly less white space than the toolforge tool gives. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about an edit from 2 years ago

So i was digging around and i realized that 2 years ago someone(that is currently blocked from wikipedia) edited the article about "Rap God", particularly in the critical reception part where it went from "the song recieved critical acclaim" to "the song received mixed reviews" even tho it currently doesnt display it due to this being so long ago.

before: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rap_God&oldid=1072529929

after: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rap_God&oldid=1075188916

Im pretty new to editing and contributing so i apologise, but what ended up changing because it seems that it was still acclaimed/praised by critics?(Kory Grow from Rolling Stone, Jim Farber from Daily New, and Nick Hill from Contact Music among others) Elijahjb306 (talk) 23:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Elijahjb306. Since the editor who changed it is blocked, we can't ask why they made that edit, but neither wording ("critical acclaim" or "mixed reviews") is in the article now. The reception section simply summarizes the reviews and lets the reader make up their own minds. Schazjmd (talk) 00:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see that makes sense, noted. I was just wondering so thank you for the response Elijahjb306 (talk) 09:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 26

Newly created article with another title

I recently created Flamingo Boy, a 2018 British children's novel written by Michael Morpurgo. A year later it was published in the states by Macmillan Publishing under the title The Day the World Stopped Turning, which is currently a redirect to Music Played by Humans, due to a single on that album having that name. However, the top search result from Google for "The Day the World Stopped Turning" is from Amazon books (Michael Morpurgo), and the fourth and fifth search results on the first page from Google are from Macmillan Publishing and GoodReads for the book. The single from the album is listed as the eight search result. I wanted to create a redirect for the American book title, but I don't just want to hijack that redirect page. Any advice on what to do, if anything, or should I just not worry about it. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 10:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Isaidnoway The usual procedure in such cases would be to turn the redirect page into a Wikipedia:Disambiguation page. Read that page for instructions or come back here if you need more help. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Definitely looks ripe for a DAB. There is also a song by that name on Stackridge's A Victory for Common Sense, a song by that name by Philip Springer as recorded on Johnny Hartman's The Voice That Is!, and a book by Michael Morpurgo. DMacks (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I DABified it. DMacks (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Unknown parameter

Sabancaya has an unknown parameter "|1=" somewhere but I can't find it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I've made a change. How's that? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thx. Source formatting can make my eyes glaze over. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

No problem. |1= just means that there is a null parameter. Either |text or ||. Easy to miss. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Image and navbox

The topmost image in the Donald Trump article on the left is of him in his military academy jacket from youth on the left side, however, the image is printing out in a section below the one where it has been edited into the article. This seems to be a navbox/infobox conflict issue, but it seems that there should be a way to cause the image to appear where it is intended to be placed during regular editing. How does one keep the image in place in spite of apparent navbox conflicts? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: I used Template:Stack.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

It worked like a charm. Nice editing. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the point of MOS:CITELEAD

The reason why I don't understand the point of MOS:CITELEAD, is because it's supposed to act as a guideline to not use citations in the lead if the information they would like to source is not mentioned in the body. It says on the article, "Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." What I see is editors, including myself (I have just realised as going over the guideline), they put into the lead what was not mentioned in the body. For example, copyediting from another article and or from an infobox if on the page. Most editors don't know this and just add whatever. We all want editors to follow Wikipedia's guidelines, right? So maybe the administrators should maybe do something or someone of a higher rank should do something about this guideline? FeistyRooster (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Your first sentence seems to be backwards: if the source is not mentioned in the body , it should be cited in the lead. But as I understand it, there should not normally be any information in the lead which is not in the body (forther up the same page: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.")

As to your last sentence: there is no "someone of a higher rank", and admins as admins have no part in setting policy (though they may be called upon to perform administrative tasks like closing discussion). If you want to open a discussion, you're as qualified to do so as anybody - either at the talk page of the relevant guideline, or at one of the departments of the village pump. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks FeistyRooster (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 27

Citation format for interviews - citing interviewer

Hi all -- quick question about citation/quote formatting. Appreciate any insights!

I'm using an interview of a subject of an article (Sam Gilliam) as a citation for a fact about an exhibition Gilliam held in New York in 1968. I am not using one of Gilliam's answers in the interview as the source for this detail, but rather one of the interviewer's statements. The interviewer gives details about a work from that 1968 exhibition. Is there a way to properly format an interview citation to show that I'm citing the interviewer rather than the subject, and is it in general OK to use an interview source like this, with the interviewer as the actual source of the information? And relatedly, would it be "correct" to include a bracketed statement of who is speaking if I were to include a quote from the source in the citation? Here's what I'm looking to cite/how I think it would be formatted (quote would probably be shorter), as both a long citation and harvp with a quote:

-Section of article -

• Detail about the exhibition

-Citations-

-References-

• Gilliam, Sam (September 2019). "Sam Gilliam with Tom McGlynn". The Brooklyn Rail (Interview). Interviewed by McGlynn, Tom. OCLC 49309197. Archived from the original on 26 September 2023. Retrieved 11 February 2024.

(I did some major clean-up on the Sam Gilliam article a while back before I really understood the nuances of citing interviews, doing some patching now to add in secondary sources to the few places where I accidentally used an interview as a sole citation.) 19h00s (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Small question

How do I see my edit count to articles only? Is there a script for this? TNM101 (chat) 06:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@TNM101 there's a simpler way: go to Special:Contributions/TNM101, expand the "Search for contributions" menu, and select the "(article)" namespace. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright thanks a lot TNM101 (chat) 06:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I have done as you said, but it seems like it doesn't show the number of edits, which is what I need TNM101 (chat) 07:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Go to Special:Contributions/TNM101, scroll down to the bottom, and select "Edit count" from the links there. Then scroll down to the "Namespace Totals". -- John of Reading (talk) 09:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you TNM101 (chat) 12:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Transclusion

Is there a way to transclude pages cross-wiki? Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sangsangaplaz: No, that's not possible. The only exception is that pages at Wikipedia can pick up values from Wikidata. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Choice of a specific value from Wikidata

Is there a way to chose a specific value when invoking from Wikidata? Lets say I have {{#property:P1843|from=Q206998}} and there are multiple values for that property. How do I chose exact one< Juandev (talk) 09:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Juandev General advice at WP:Wikidata#Inserting_Wikidata_values_into_Wikipedia_articles. It gets very technical but to get the "preferred" value of "heath" in your case you would need to use something like {{#invoke:WikidataIB |getPreferredValue |P1843 |qid=Q206998 |fetchwikidata=ALL |onlysourced=false}}, using a Lua module. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image with casual outfit?

Hello. I am back on the Help Desk, working on the article Glaiza de Castro, with this question:

The current infobox image depicts the subject wearing a somewhat casual (at least for some) outfit. Will the casuality of the outfit of the infobox image affect FA nomination? Because there are no other good alternatives on Wikimedia Commons...

Looking forward to a reply, thanks. Ramkarlo82 (V • T • C) 12:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that image. There's nothing to worry about. And, TBH, I don't think it even matters at all. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 12:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ramkarlo82 There is nothing in the criteria for featured articles at WP:FACR that would prevent that image being used. At present, the article is only rated as "C", so it has a long way to go. It would be standard practice to nominate it as a good article first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Where can I find data on the circulation and citation rates of these journals?

Hello everyone, where can I find data on circulation and citation rates of journals from this list? Vyacheslav84 (talk) 12:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you're looking for assistance for something not directly related to Wikipedia, so this isn't an appropriate question for the Wikipedia Helpdesk. However the Wikipedia:Reference desk may be able to assist. TiggerJay (talk) 05:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

apostrophes in links - pipe or no?

Consider the sentence the plot was influenced by H. P. Lovecraft's work. On The Staff of Karnath it was originally linked as [[H. P. Lovecraft]]'s and I recently changed it to [[H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft's]] in order to encompass the 's into the link, as I think the entire word should be linked, rather than leave unsightly (IMO) hanging non-linked text on the end of a bluelink.

User Rhain reverted, saying that this shouldn't be done, the apostrophe is not to be linked. I've looked in as many MOS and Help articles as I can, and this doesn't seem to be covered. Plenty of pipe help, but nothing that covers apostrophes being included in a link or not. Both our arguments are based on the same premise - Rhain believes the link to be better and simpler to directly link to "H. P. Lovecraft" which is simpler from a source point of view, but I think it's better to pipe and make the visual aspect better for the reader, as covered by Wikipedia:Linking dos and don'ts - Use piping to fit link text into prose. I think that precedent has been set for appending text to the link in that Wiki already does this - appending any regular text onto the end of a link automatically bluelinks the entire cheeses text even though the link is for cheese singular, just with an "s" on the end. This doesn't work for apostrophes, so a manual method can be used instead. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

To clarify - should it be needed - I think the sentence "the cheeses were Richard Cheese's" is better presented as "the cheeses were Richard Cheese's" for the reader. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

MOS:PIPESTYLE says Plurals and other derived names. [[apple]]s displays as apples, and this is simpler and clearer than [[apple|apples]]. Similarly: [[appeal]]ing, [[hyperlink]]ed, [[red]]dest. Some characters do not work after the link; see Help:Link for more details. Possessive is similar to plural. Its link to H:WIKILINK includes a possessive example, and the 's is outside of the wikilink brackets. Schazjmd (talk) 15:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd missed the possessive example in H:WIKILINK, but ironically Rhain has already noted in his arguments that Help:Link is only a guideline, not a policy. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:MOS itself is a guideline, not a policy. Schazjmd (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

If there are no clear policy, it would be left to editors' own discretion. In this case, it might be better to ditch 's and use a different wording, something like "the plot was influenced by the work of H. P. Lovecraft." Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I think I prefer this option, but I also still believe (and I've stated this on the talk page) that in the absence of MOS policy, each editor should be free to pursue their own interpretation, so long as it doesn't become disruptive or tendentious. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

But isn't you changing [[H. P. Lovecraft]]'s to [[H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft's]] a case of you overriding the previous editor's "own interpretation"? Schazjmd (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but that's true of pretty much any change and revert for the history of an article. The defining factor in that case would be how recent are the changes - in this case the previous editor's "own interpretation" was made in 2015 here, so I'm hardly edit-warring on that count. If you want to go down that route, then isn't Rhain just as guilty of overriding my "own interpretation"? This is the problem when there is no clear MOS. Rhain has said that he thinks it unnecessary complication - so my proposal still stands that why doesn't he just not get involved? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I know, which is why I said "might be better", it's a personal suggestion in case a consensus can not be reached. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

question re requests for templates at Wikipedia:Requested templates

hi. is there anyone here who watches the requests at Wikipedia:Requested templates? i have a template for a wikiproject, which i would like to modify. i appreciate any help. pls ping me if you reply. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

It would seem the best place to raise that issue would be at Template talk:WikiProject History, and perhaps add a note also over at Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Task forces/Modern and Contemporary history task force so they're also aware of the conversation. TiggerJay (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

well, i am nominally in charge of both the wikiproject and the task force, so they are already fully briefed. Sm8900 (talk) 20:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I've been framed!

Glancing at my contributions list a big red (−4,881) catches my eye. What? All I remember doing to Neolatino Romance was capitalizing "romance languages" and "vulgar latin" in several places (which my summary reflects). I thought, did I perhaps wipe a section by accident? But that's not it, this edit has various detailed changes that are outside my knowledge, as well as introducing at least three errors in spelling or punctuation.

So what happened? Has this happened to you? —Tamfang (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamfang: You probably clicked edit while viewing an old revision and made these changes. All later edits are discarded when you edit an old revision. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

In the words of a more prominent American, D'oh! —Tamfang (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a weird article. It's about a language. Its only references are in the lead section, despite recommedations that a lead should summarise the rest of the article and should not normally include references. It offers no evidence that anyone has ever used the language, even in a work of fiction. Maproom (talk) 23:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, it appears to be wholly not-GNG at this point. There does appear to be more information over at Pan-Romance language § Romance Neolatino but is still entirely primary sourced, with no coverage otherwise. Should probably be put up for a redirect. TiggerJay (talk) 05:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamfang - you were not framed, but probably made an accident while editing. No big deal as someone else already noticed it and reverted the removed information. In the future, I would suggest always reviewing the page after editing to make sure accidents didn't happen, so that you can fix them before other people. I find that I make more of these sorts of mistakes when I edit using a mobile device. It only becomes concerning when this occurs more than once in a while, and again, if you fix it right away, then no harm is really done. TiggerJay (talk) 05:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

It'll be a warm day in Antarctica when I try editing on a mobile. —Tamfang (talk) 08:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Disturbing page

I came across this user's page indicating plans for potential self-harm. Was not sure what to do. Packer1028 (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Packer1028: see Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm. The shortcut is WP:SOS. -Arch dude (talk) 23:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Collapsing a potential WP:HA response that does not look like for general public consumption TiggerJay (talk) 06:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
@Packer1028: I actually wrote that long rant in my user page during peak work office hours which has now been reverted by another User. I felt the need to vent my frustration somewhere to cool myself at least as I realised that I cannot simply reveal my thoughts out to people in real life especially at corporate office where people would take advantage if we tell about our gut feelings as we would be considered and viewed as vulnerable by those set of people. People are very much cunning at corporate world where they will take every opportunity to maximise advantage over others (gaining at the expense of others) and we simply cannot trust and share our experience with fellow colleagues and I thought my user page in Wikipedia is the best platform ideally to express my feelings and have a sense of helping myself out alone. One of the incidents that I can remember is where my boss at my current employer Amana Bank, a full-fledged Islamic bank in Sri Lanka did not grant me annual leave when I asked for as it is one of the rights of an employee as part of the Shop and Office Act. This is not just me and I have seen few employees and colleagues in that bank are also being deprived of annual leave by their bosses, whereas certain individuals have got annual leave just because they have good relationship with bosses/managers. Another noteworthy incident is that when I asked to leave the office premises at around 3.30 pm for an important Toastmasters installation program which was scheduled for 5.30 pm in the evening, my boss told me "why you have to leave the office early at 3.30 pm for 5.30 pm event", whereas he didn't use his common sense of having to report to that event on time since I was also assigned the task of master of ceremonies for that installation. Obviously any individual with a logic sense would not have answered ignorantly in a way like my boss responded and I also had to be there on time due to the "traffic congestion" and the location was also far away from the office area. Such indicent really made me unhappy and I was frustrated with such an immature response from my boss on that day. On a side note, I also could not perform to my potential in some of my examinations conducted by Institute of Bankers of Sri Lanka, as the office work took a toll on my mental health. I managed to have a breathing space only due to Wikipedia and whereas I managed to break the shackles by creating many articles to share my knowledge. At one instance, I preferred Wikipedia over going to a physical place for work given the level of flexibility and freedom I had through the platform. I even participated in the Wikipedia Asia Month 2024 contest and I gave my standout performance by raking up 57 articles for the contest as I had so much passion for it compared to my desk job where I currently work. I also missed out on attending an interview at Commercial Bank of Ceylon as I feared that my current employer won't allow me to permanently leave the workplace. My parents also are pushing me to the brink to change my workplace immediately in pursuit of better career opportunities in order to climb up the corporate ladder and increase my earning capacity. These are some of the ripple effects that triggered me to write such a self harm post in my userpage. Abishe (talk) 04:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)