Talk:2025 New Orleans truck attack

"Terrorist attack" - hesitancy

The NOPD had a press conference this morning. The mayor of New Orleans claimed this was a "terrorist" attack. However the person from the FBI who is leading the investigation said that it is not a terrorist attack. So for now, I suggest we possibly refrain from using the term. ItzSwirlz (talk) 12:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The description is in my opinion quite clear that it was a terrorist attack. It was clearly done to maximize casualties, so the term should apply here. 2A02:8388:1643:D680:7C20:EEFA:982E:22B7 (talk) 14:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't matter one whit what your opinion is on whether it is terrorism or not. The only thing that matters is what WP:RS reliable sources say. Marcus Markup (talk) 14:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

It's been massively covered as a TERRORIST attack at this point. "In a later update, the FBI confirmed the driver was dead and that the incident was being investigated as an "act of terrorism"."<-- BBC News

"The FBI said in a news release that they are investigating it "as an act of terrorism." <-- CBS News ... it would appear Duncan got scorched for making such a misguided comment, and the White House has since directed a correction be made officially.2603:6080:2100:47CB:1DD7:82E7:CE76:D0A8 (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The Attorney General has described it as "terrorism". Fluoborate (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Even without reliable sources, it is evident this is a terrorist attack. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Title

I suggest to change the title in to "2025 New Orleans attack". This attack was also carried out by shooting, not just with a truck. Gianluigi02 (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Agree heylenny (^talk/_edits) 14:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Start an RM. the wildfire update guy that also writes about other weather (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

How are similar events titled? I specifically feel like "New Years" might warrant a place in the title, and I possibly agree with not including "truck". Fluoborate (talk) 17:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I do not edit crime. However, I support “2025 New Year New Orleans Truck Attack”. A similar RM in the world of weather ended up not adding a relatively insignificant portion to the title, and I feel like the same would apply here. the wildfire update guy that also writes about other weather (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The move I am referring to is Talk:Tornado outbreak of December 10–11, 2021/Archive 1#Requested move 13 December 2021. the wildfire update guy that also writes about other weather (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

See Category:2020s vehicular rampage. Bonne année. 2.28.124.91 (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Consider replacing New Orleans in the title with French Quarter or Bourban Street. New Orleans is too general for many readers. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 19:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Identifying information on the suspect? Age?

The name "Shamsud-Din Bahar Jabbar", or the same name without the hyphen, is now in multiple reputable sources. However, is he the "42-year-old Houston man" who was the owner of the truck? Or was the truck stolen? The owner of the truck may not be the named deceased suspect, based on the New York Times currently. Fluoborate (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

According to the Events section, the "42-year-old Houston man" owned the truck, but he was renting it via Turo to the suspect. 🪐 Xarinu 🪐 (Talk 2 Me :] ) 18:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't see where any of the sources mention the age of the owner of the truck. Consider it an unlikely coincidence and possible error AND the truck owners age is really irrelevant that could be removed. 104.49.87.62 (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Is Jabbar from inside Houston or outside Houston?

Is he from inside Houston or outside Houston? Multiple reports say that he's from Houston, but other sites say that he's from outside Houston. 2600:1702:5225:C010:19A0:B6D1:592F:7850 (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Possible connection to air b-n-b fire

https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/bourbon-street-attack-airbnb/article_3b1a89c0-c851-11ef-b4d9-f333210ff2e7.amp.html CaitlinC6 (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Redirect Article on Islamic Terrorism

it seems that every single terrorist attack in the world is caused by muslims, there should be a greater redirect to islamic terrorism and all affiliated at the top of related articles 2600:1004:B253:C3D5:0:F:EA83:6701 (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Not true. Example: 2024 Wakeley church stabbing ItzSwirlz (talk) 18:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Correction: Wieambilla shootings. ItzSwirlz (talk) 18:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Sounds slightly islamophobic but no, it should be domestic terrorism while the background focuses on Islam. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment: This IP has made other disruptive and misinformation-ridden talk page edits on pages having to do with terrorism in the US. Example here It seems that they have a clear agenda, specifically regarding Muslims, and are most likely not operating to improve articles in a neutral good faith manner. Mason7512 (talk) 19:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Could a NOTHERE block be considered? the wildfire update guy that also writes about other weather (talk) 19:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

This is a seriously bigoted statement with no foundation. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Number of deaths?

This article contradicts itself - some parts say 16, some parts say 11. The blurb on the main page says 11.2600:1008:B160:54A0:7989:44C6:3F4C:5412 (talk) 19:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

As it's an ongoing event, it'll take time for information to update and news sources to agree. It should be more up to date by the end of the day or this time tomorrow. You're welcome to update information yourself as well, as the article isn't currently protected. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 19:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Jabbar's Life

Public records confirm that Jabbar attended Georgia State University and once resided in both Marietta, Georgia and Thomson, Georgia. Jabbar later briefly resided in Fayetteville, North Carolina around the time of the 2012 United States presidential election. His Texas voter registration has no party affiliation. A newspaper article sourced that he resided in Beaumont as far early as 2001. 2600:1702:5225:C010:19A0:B6D1:592F:7850 (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Minor Correction

Article indicates the suspect's truck collided with a crane... the truck actually collided with a turreted boom lift, or aerial device with a basket for operators/workers on the end, like a cherry picker. I use them all the time. The specific device hit operates at low speeds, typically in areas not affected by regular traffic, like a festival or some other special event.Toastt21 (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Unconfirmed count: 11-16

From the press conference right now, it's confirmed 11 (including the murderer) were killed, but some news sources are announcing 16 (including the murderer) were killed, with 4 more dying at the hospital LeSirDiego (talk) 19:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

'UPDATE: NBC has changed its new banner from "At Least 15 Killed" to "At Least 10 Killed" LeSirDiego (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Multiple Suspects under ISIS

According to the New Orleans Police Department, multiple suspects may have acted also with Jabbar in the killings which may be related to ISIS, though it is still unconfirmed currently. LeSirDiego (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Might have a BLPCRIME issue but I would like input from more experienced editors. the wildfire update guy that also writes about other weather (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Is there a concrete ask here? We have an investigation section that already covers this. Einsof (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I would wait to see, though it might be already covered. LeSirDiego (talk) 19:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

An investigation will always look at whether there are multiple actors. But I haven't seen anything saying that there are "multiple suspects". O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 1 January 2025

2025 New Orleans truck attack → 2025 New Orleans attack – The attack combines shooting, pursuit and a ramming attack. 178.81.55.110 (talk) 19:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Though it may be easier to know, the thing is that maybe their may be more attacks in New Orleans, so keep where it was originally. LeSirDiego (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - per COMMONNAME. Other aspects not significant/impactful enough to be included IMO. Similar to the RM on Tornado outbreak of December 10-11, 2021 the wildfire update guy that also writes about other weather (talk) 19:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. This attack is distinguished by the fact that the majority of the casualties were from people being run over. Einsof (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The suspect was in contact with Thomas Matthew crooks 9 months ago??

hello guys. i just saw a WorldGrayNews news article about this tradic incident, it says that according to the FBI, suspect of the attack had talked with Thomas Matthew Crooks (Donald trump assasin) 9 months ago thorough Discord... i think its fake, but if its true, it needs to be included in this article ASAP. ChicagonorthEAST12 (talk) 19:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Not without a source, What even is WorldGrayNews? Could you link to the original statement by the FBI? Departure– (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Unless this has a reliable sources backing it, it should not be included. Mason7512 (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

This is false, will be reported for banning. LeSirDiego (talk) 20:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)