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==Capturing Osama==
==Capturing Osama==
How I would try and to catch Osama Bin Laden if I were the president. You can only hide in a cave for so many years. You can only pay off so many people for what is safe harbor for yourself before they eventually find you. Of the many of your countless dead victims. Someone is going to provide a tip secretly and anonymously that will finally bring the hammer down on this guy. Not everyone for whose in the Middle East is blindly loyal and allegiant to you. Through the use of what is multiple and varying intelligence agencies here inside of the United States and all over the world I would isolate and narrow down the most likely and confident location in which Osama would be hiding. We have maps out the ass now. Everyone knows the world as being an enormously huge globe, even in spite of the popular saying of that, it is a small world after all. Bullshit. We can track everything now. From a small rodent running into the slime and the darkness of the sewer. To a bearded and to smelly rodent who has managed to successfully elude the hands of the American military. You begin with what is a large containment grid over what is a wide range of the earth and begin to shrink and narrow it all down over time based on swelling and increasing intelligence. Preferably and probably Afghanistan and Pakistan in this case. Of course the computer will have to account for a lot of incoming mass data intended only for the purposes of lies and misinformation and misdirection. This will somewhat slow down our intended purpose of capturing him and bringing him into custody. However, it will not all together stop us dead in our tracks. I would extrapolate his most likely pinpoint position to the most likely spot for where we think he is now from having known each footstep he ever made before in the past. I would set about maybe 4000 or maybe 5000 foot soldiers who are highly and specially trained and equipped to deal with the rugged landscape. To form an aggressive and a military circle around his most likely location. I would put about 1000 predator drones in the air to survey everything from a bird’s eye view that does not belong to the military collective of the United States. All the accumulated data of every Al Qaeda and Taliban solider ever taken into custody by our military would also work towards the goal of bringing him into custody. However, you have to remember. These people are scum bags and weasels and terrorists. As the grid would begin to close in and to become smaller. I would try and keep everything contained inside of what would be a 20 mile or maybe even a 10 mile containment perimeter. A 10-mile grid perimeter does not seem like much for the military to tackle. However, this guy is an especially dangerous scum bag. I would set special infrared trip wires into the ground at night if he decides to make any movements at all at night thinking that there will not be any prying eyes in the night, he would be sorely and critically mistaken. I would determine best on how he communicates. I am sure our military can do all kinds of things to frustrate and piss him off. They can jam his outgoing radio signals. They can executively cut all electricity to everyone and to everything except themselves. This guy has got to do something with himself. He has got to stand up. He has got to piss from time to time. He has got to plot his future for tomorrow and next week and next month. How is he going to secure his resources for people and money and other terrorist acts. When he is captured. Even though how badly I hate him. I want to see him rot in jail. I want to see him have a military trial and a American justice trial. I would not want for him to quickly commit suicide nor to be swiftly executed by our military. Given how incredibly dangerous he is. I do not think one semi automatic rifle is going to make the world coalition leave him alone. I would make sure the military throws him into special and secured and confinement totally naked. Without as so much as a paper clip on him so that he could puncture his wrist and bleed himself to death. Next would come finger printing, photographing, and DNA testing. Then every question from the highest government down to the lowest civilian in the world would be asked of him. Even the biggest total scum and douche bag that he is would be read his rights. I am sure he would spit on and condemn everything that America stands for.
How I would try and to catch Osama Bin Laden if I were the president. You can only hide in a cave for so many years. You can only pay off so many people for what is safe harbor for yourself before they eventually find you. Of the many of your countless dead victims. Someone is going to provide a tip secretly and anonymously that will finally bring the hammer down on this guy. Not everyone for whose in the Middle East is blindly loyal and allegiant to you. Through the use of what is multiple and varying intelligence agencies here inside of the United States and all over the world I would isolate and narrow down the most likely and confident location in which Osama would be hiding. We have maps out the ass now. Everyone knows the world as being an enormously huge globe, even in spite of the popular saying of that, it is a small world after all. Bullshit. We can track everything now. From a small rodent running into the slime and the darkness of the sewer. To a bearded and to smelly rodent who has managed to successfully elude the hands of the American military. You begin with what is a large containment grid over what is a wide range of the earth and begin to shrink and narrow it all down over time based on swelling and increasing intelligence. Preferably and probably Afghanistan and Pakistan in this case. Of course the computer will have to account for a lot of incoming mass data intended only for the purposes of lies and misinformation and misdirection. This will somewhat slow down our intended purpose of capturing him and bringing him into custody. However, it will not all together stop us dead in our tracks. I would extrapolate his most likely pinpoint position to the most likely spot for where we think he is now from having known each footstep he ever made before in the past. I would set about maybe 4000 or maybe 5000 foot soldiers who are highly and specially trained and equipped to deal with the rugged landscape. To form an aggressive and a military circle around his most likely location. I would put about 1000 predator drones in the air to survey everything from a bird’s eye view that does not belong to the military collective of the United States. All the accumulated data of every Al Qaeda and Taliban solider ever taken into custody by our military would also work towards the goal of bringing him into custody. However, you have to remember. These people are scum bags and weasels and terrorists. As the grid would begin to close in and to become smaller. I would try and keep everything contained inside of what would be a 20 mile or maybe even a 10 mile containment perimeter. A 10-mile grid perimeter does not seem like much for the military to tackle. However, this guy is an especially dangerous scum bag. I would set special infrared trip wires into the ground at night if he decides to make any movements at all at night thinking that there will not be any prying eyes in the night, he would be sorely and critically mistaken. I would determine best on how he communicates. I am sure our military can do all kinds of things to frustrate and piss him off. They can jam his outgoing radio signals. They can executively cut all electricity to everyone and to everything except themselves. This guy has got to do something with himself. He has got to stand up. He has got to piss from time to time. He has got to plot his future for tomorrow and next week and next month. How is he going to secure his resources for people and money and other terrorist acts. When he is captured. Even though how badly I hate him. I want to see him rot in jail. I want to see him have a military trial and a American justice trial. I would not want for him to quickly commit suicide nor to be swiftly executed by our military. Given how incredibly dangerous he is. I do not think one semi automatic rifle is going to make the world coalition leave him alone. I would make sure the military throws him into special and secured and confinement totally naked. Without as so much as a paper clip on him so that he could puncture his wrist and bleed himself to death. Next would come finger printing, photographing, and DNA testing. Then every question from the highest government down to the lowest civilian in the world would be asked of him. Even the biggest total scum and douche bag that he is would be read his rights. I am sure he would spit on and condemn everything that America stands for.

== Name ==

Why is the name also written in the [[Devanagari]] script? Bin Laden is Arabic, not Indian. I am removing it.

[[User:Bmaganti|Bmaganti]] 21:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 21:35, 1 May 2007

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Height

Someone please fix the height, the inches " prompt Wiki to italicise. Cheers. 84.56.97.246 11:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UBL writings

While he lived in Londinistan UBL wrote some sort of open letter against King Fahd. It mentions the arrest of Saudi "scholars" al-Ouda and al-Hawali. Anybody got this letter? Thx. LDH 04:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's in an open letter dated Dec 29, 1994 to bin Baz giving him a harm time for colaborating with al Saud. You can find the mention on page 8 in Messages to the World edited by Bruce Lawrence. --Leroy65X 19:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thx LDH 03:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

three stepbrothers and one stepsister

"step" means they share no bloodline and only siblings or parent because of marriage...since they do share a bloodline via the mother they are his half siblings. --ahalfsister :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.153.29.140 (talk) 03:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC). Osama bin laden is awsome![reply]

Two little slips

"Aymen Al Zawahiri" should say "Ayman al-Zawahiri".

Maktab al-Khidamat is referred to as Office of Order in one place but as Services Office in another. I would replace "Services Office" with "Maktab al-Khidamat".

LDH 09:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC) can anyone tell me lots about Osama bin Laden? Please tell all you know . I need to know for a project. Thank you for helping. =D[reply]

Awkard looking sentence

"While Azzam and his MAK organization acted as support for the Afghan fighters and provided relief to refugees and injured, bin Laden wanted a more military role in which the Arab fighters would not only be trained and equipped by the organization but also be commanded on the battlefield by Arabic."

Did the writer mean "Arabs" or "Arabic" as in the language? Brian Pearson 04:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Bergen inconsistencies

The quality of the article could be greatly enhanced by cleaning up and linking references to Peter Bergen (who seems to be an important source for the article) and giving his credentials the first time he's used as a reference rather than late in the article. Ddigby 19:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing controvesy

This article is sub-standard as there is no mention of the possibility that this person "Osama Bin Laden" actually might not exist at all or the possible fact that he is co-conspiritor with the Americans to implement their domination over globe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.248.159.240 (talk) 09:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

We might as well add the possibility that President Bush may or may not exist and that he's working solely for big oil. Without some sort of decent evidence and sources this is all just conjecture and there is no reason to add it.--24.84.51.247 22:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quote from Robin Cook

While correctly cited (the quote is Cook's words verbatim) I can't find any other source to suggest that what he says about "Al-Qaida" referring to a "database" is true. It seems that the word in Arabic simply means "The Base." Perhaps Cook's inference is correct, but I don't see any such indication.

Reference to the training camp and by extension those who have attended it as "the base" preceeded UBL's involvement. The suggestion that "the base" was derived from a reference to "database" may very well have come from whatever sources he suggests but it isn't a credible suggestion when the leadership which preceeded UBL established it's use independant of any database or such records. 220.233.94.28 13:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Illness

Lacks any reference to his the need for Kidney Dialysis. This topic comes up from time to time when you hear criticism of "why cannot we find a very out of place tall, 50 year old man, who needs a dialysis machine, in the desert". This topic is disussed Here in depth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gmillerd (talk • contribs) 11:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Images

An editor User:Yonatanh has removed the copyright tags from the main images used in this article and then marked them for speedy deletion as not having copyright info...doh. Image:AQ00105.jpg and Image:Osama_1.jpg. I am no longer active on this wiki if there was another editor who could follow up. Cheers.--Paul E. Ester 21:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Attempted Capture by the USA

The wording in this section is in my opinion eerily similar to the article it cites. Perhaps this could be reworded in uhm.. "Wiki's own words" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NeptuneMan (talk • contribs) 11:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Unclear pronoun reference

He attended his son's wedding in January 2001, but since September 11 of that year he is believed only to have had contact with his mother on one occasion.[11]

What does "he" mean here? Osama bin Laden? (The sentence follow immediately upon mention of Osama's father.) I am guessing that the passage in intended to indicate that after 2001 Osama has had little or no contact with the family members with whom he grew up. P0M 22:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62618-2002Apr16?language=printer Quoted in current page, allow fails to mention this:

(Tommy) Franks (US continues to dissent from that analysis. Rear Adm. Craig Quigley, his chief spokesman, acknowledged the dominant view outside Tampa but said the general is unpersuaded.

"We have never seen anything that was convincing to us at all that Osama bin Laden was present at any stage of Tora Bora -- before, during or after," Quigley said. "I know you've got voices in the intelligence community that are taking a different view, but I just wanted you to know our view as well."

Without it, the article is biased. Both viewpoints must be included!

Phone number

Bin Laden's satellite phone number was 00873682505331. No kidding. LDH 20:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding is it still active I want to call him with a death threat. 68.13.98.37 16:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Love for Whitney Houston

Looking at the ref for this, it's not clear to me that the article is not satire. Can we get a better source for this? Maybe this, but I think it also seems a little too light-hearted.

Perhaps what I'm getting at is whether Kola Boof is even a reliable-enough source to use with attribution. I almost think that this paragraph should go into a "Osama bin Laden in popular culture" or something similar, because it seems deeply incredible and no source takes it seriously. See also Talk:Osama_bin_Laden/Archive_12#Kola_Boof_Affair_of_1996 Cool Hand Luke 03:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't it just be deleted instead? Apart from possibly Bobby Brown, who's bio could this be considered relevant to either way? 220.233.94.28 14:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I removed it a few days ago. We ought not include every crank's claim on a significant figure's biography. Cool Hand Luke 22:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. refused to hand over evidence to Taliban .... according to the Taliban

It is important to note that the Taliban was ready to have a trial for Bin Laden and if the USA's evidence showed Bin Laden was responsible, he would be handed over. This government never complied. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml

What this article says is that Taliban claims the U.S. government did not show them Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. --Leroy65X 17:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The United States government could have had Bin Laden already. President Bush at times did not care about Bin Laden, but come the 2004 election he did. If Bin Laden committed the September 11th attacks, he should be taken seriously. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heresmyworld (talk • contribs) 12:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Here is a source that verifies the US refused to prove binLaden responsible and gets rid of that pesky word "claim".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573975,00.html
According to this link the Taliban offered to surrender bin Laden unconditionally before 9/11 but the Bush administration didn't take it up.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11012004.html Wayne 01:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Um this isn't new news. It's well established that the Taliban said they wanted evidence before they would hand over Osama but the US basically said fuck you and invaded them. Some people argue that the Taliban were just delaying. Others say the US just wanted to invade someone. Whatever the case, I remember this from before the invasion so it's clearly nothing new. Also, I would venture it has much more to do with the US invasion of Afghanistan then Osama so you really should be getting it there first Nil Einne 13:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bunk citations

There are multiple citations to Bin Laden taking responsibility for Septmember 11, 2001, attacks, but the quotes which are cited are never specific. I do not agree that those citations imply addmission of involvement specifically to Sept11. The quotes are addmission of desires, or general involvement to attacks in general, but are not specific to Sept11.

To give an example... just because I wanted the Blue Jays to win the World Series of baseball, and I did whatever was in my capacity to help them win, does not mean I was directly involved.

We, as wikipedians, should not be adding between the lines.

The Osama_bin_Laden Wikipedia page needs a major edit to regain neutrality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cendres (talk • contribs) 14:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I've attempted to clean up September 11, 2001 attacks section, removing the word "admitted" and inserting quotes from him and more specific statements. --Leroy65X 15:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Family

Osama attended his son's wedding in January 2001, but since September 11 of that year he is believed only to have had contact with his mother on one occasion.[1]

I've removed this as it is badly written and misplaced. I'm not sure what it's supposed to say. Is his son's wedding supposed to be the last contact he had with his family (apart from his mother)? If so, this is what it should say. The citation doesn't even mention this as far as I can see!--Jack Upland 03:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

September 11, 2001 section

This section details the various bin Laden tapes without once using the word aledged giving the impression they are all authentic. None of the tapes have been authenticated and some are obvious fakes. This should be mentioned for NPOV. Wayne 16:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence? --Leroy65X 15:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crop the image

Could someone please crop the "Goverment exhibit" label off Image:AQ00100.jpg (or upload a new one for use in the article). It would fit better into the infobox:) -Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 19:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another alleged death

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/18/gen.musharraf.binladen/index.html Please add to the list of death allegations. This is the first allegation that he died and most widely publicized. It is strange that it is not listed here, but two more recent and less widely publicized allegations are. --64.230.120.186 16:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC) Two more sources on these early claims:[reply]

The last source contains this informative quote:

"Missing, of course, could mean dead, and a small minority of officials in the Pentagon, CIA and FBI believe that bin Laden's public silence since the December [2001] tape suggests he has succumbed — if not to U.S. air strikes, then possibly to kidney failure."

--64.230.120.186 16:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Capturing Osama

How I would try and to catch Osama Bin Laden if I were the president. You can only hide in a cave for so many years. You can only pay off so many people for what is safe harbor for yourself before they eventually find you. Of the many of your countless dead victims. Someone is going to provide a tip secretly and anonymously that will finally bring the hammer down on this guy. Not everyone for whose in the Middle East is blindly loyal and allegiant to you. Through the use of what is multiple and varying intelligence agencies here inside of the United States and all over the world I would isolate and narrow down the most likely and confident location in which Osama would be hiding. We have maps out the ass now. Everyone knows the world as being an enormously huge globe, even in spite of the popular saying of that, it is a small world after all. Bullshit. We can track everything now. From a small rodent running into the slime and the darkness of the sewer. To a bearded and to smelly rodent who has managed to successfully elude the hands of the American military. You begin with what is a large containment grid over what is a wide range of the earth and begin to shrink and narrow it all down over time based on swelling and increasing intelligence. Preferably and probably Afghanistan and Pakistan in this case. Of course the computer will have to account for a lot of incoming mass data intended only for the purposes of lies and misinformation and misdirection. This will somewhat slow down our intended purpose of capturing him and bringing him into custody. However, it will not all together stop us dead in our tracks. I would extrapolate his most likely pinpoint position to the most likely spot for where we think he is now from having known each footstep he ever made before in the past. I would set about maybe 4000 or maybe 5000 foot soldiers who are highly and specially trained and equipped to deal with the rugged landscape. To form an aggressive and a military circle around his most likely location. I would put about 1000 predator drones in the air to survey everything from a bird’s eye view that does not belong to the military collective of the United States. All the accumulated data of every Al Qaeda and Taliban solider ever taken into custody by our military would also work towards the goal of bringing him into custody. However, you have to remember. These people are scum bags and weasels and terrorists. As the grid would begin to close in and to become smaller. I would try and keep everything contained inside of what would be a 20 mile or maybe even a 10 mile containment perimeter. A 10-mile grid perimeter does not seem like much for the military to tackle. However, this guy is an especially dangerous scum bag. I would set special infrared trip wires into the ground at night if he decides to make any movements at all at night thinking that there will not be any prying eyes in the night, he would be sorely and critically mistaken. I would determine best on how he communicates. I am sure our military can do all kinds of things to frustrate and piss him off. They can jam his outgoing radio signals. They can executively cut all electricity to everyone and to everything except themselves. This guy has got to do something with himself. He has got to stand up. He has got to piss from time to time. He has got to plot his future for tomorrow and next week and next month. How is he going to secure his resources for people and money and other terrorist acts. When he is captured. Even though how badly I hate him. I want to see him rot in jail. I want to see him have a military trial and a American justice trial. I would not want for him to quickly commit suicide nor to be swiftly executed by our military. Given how incredibly dangerous he is. I do not think one semi automatic rifle is going to make the world coalition leave him alone. I would make sure the military throws him into special and secured and confinement totally naked. Without as so much as a paper clip on him so that he could puncture his wrist and bleed himself to death. Next would come finger printing, photographing, and DNA testing. Then every question from the highest government down to the lowest civilian in the world would be asked of him. Even the biggest total scum and douche bag that he is would be read his rights. I am sure he would spit on and condemn everything that America stands for.

Name

Why is the name also written in the Devanagari script? Bin Laden is Arabic, not Indian. I am removing it.

Bmaganti 21:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "Who is Osama Bin Laden?". BBC News. Retrieved 2006-05-15.
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