Talk:Alabama

Old comments and discussion

I'm adding about 1/5th the info from the P.G. encyclopedia's entry on Alabama; the rest (finances, agriculture, population, etc.) is horribly dated and I think it would probably be easier simply to write a new entry on the topics people want to know about than to try to update the old information. I am, however, including the "history" and "geography" sections, as the history can simply be extended and the boundaries of the state have not (to my admittedly imperfect knowledge) changed in the last 100 years. --KQ —The preceding comment was added on 25 February 2002 or earlier.

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Why two tables? What's wrong with just having one? Also, "The Heart of Dixie" doesn't tell us anything. Is it the state motto? If so, should it be labeled as such? -- Zoe —The preceding comment was added on 00:05, 9 February 2003

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OK, I added a brief footnote to the phrase "The Heart of Dixie" explaining it. If anyone wants to expand on it, please do. I'm not sure 100% of the background, but the law was passed in the 1950s I believe, and until a few years ago the phrase was quite prominent. However, the governor at that time (Don Siegelman) wanted to downplay the supposed "offensive" nature of the phrase, but couldn't remove it because he couldn't get the law changed (the population wanted to keep it), and when new license plates were issued the phrase was shrunk dramatically to fit in an area approximately the size of a quarter. This caused a lot of controversy in the state. -- dave —The preceding comment was added by IP 131.44.121.252 on 13:22, 28 June 2004

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I fixed the sports team section. The steeldogs are not a baseball team :) I also added Huntsville's af2 team. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.26.152.129 (talk • contribs) 138.26.152.129.

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I reverted the 23:27, 2 Dec 2004 version, since it was the last version which contained all the previous information. Later versions deleted several sub-sections. Wendell 01:34, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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The map image needs correcting; it covers text. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lang Thompson (talk • contribs) 03:33, 12 May 2005.

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Do the name of US navy ships that were named after the respective state in US States always have to be at or near the beginning of the article. They aren't really a defining aspect of the states insofar as being one of the first descriptors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.230.38.110 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 25 June 2005.

I concur. These are such insignificant items to be named after an entire state. They should all be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 158.111.4.26 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 11 July 2005.

Suggest 4 possible wiki links and 3 possible backlinks for Alabama.

An automated Wikipedia link suggester has some possible wiki link suggestions for the Alabama article:

• Can link Mississippi Territory: ...e United States acquired the [[Louisiana Purchase]] and the Mississippi Territory, there was much controversy as to whether or not Alabama wa... (link to section)
• Can link provisional government: ...the [[United States Civil War|Civil War]]. After the war a provisional government was set up in [[1865]] and Alabama was readmitted to the Un... (link to section)
• Can link surface water: ...t is water, making Alabama 23^rd in the amount of surface water. About three-fifths of the land area is a gentle [[plain]]... (link to section)
• Can link TV network: ...Alabama]] *[[Alabama Public Television]], state wide public TV network... (link to section)

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• In CamelCase and Wiki, can backlink AlabamA: ...hat the capitals are followed by a lower-case letter, hence AlabamA and ABc will not be links, see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiC...
• In El Patrullero, can backlink ALABAMA: ...man who later designed SIN COMPASSION, THE WINNER, CRAZY IN ALABAMA, and THE MARK OF ZORRO.
• In Cecilia Montiel, can backlink ALABAMA: ...ng the level of mediocre films like THE WINNER and CRAZY IN ALABAMA - but her career seems to have been restricted by a stereot...

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Feedback: I like it, I hate it, Please don't link to — LinkBot 11:15, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Disamb link please.

Could someone put a disamb link up to Alabama (disambiguation)? Certainly, this topic should stay Alabama the state, but I was not sure how to find the band from here. I'd put it up myself, but I'm not sure how to do it and would rather watch this time. :) --Steven Fisher 10:07, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. --Steven Fisher 01:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"The Heart of Dixie" still?

Is this totally correct? I don't believe it is anymore:

"The phrase The Heart of Dixie is required by state law to be included on all state license plates."

• This was, I believe, removed in 2002 and replaced with "Stars Fell On Alabama".

• Yes, it's still true for the standard-issue plate, optional since 1997 for "distinctive" and "collegiate" plates. Decatur Daily story

Code of Alabama: Section 32-6-54 (1951)

Tag to show heart and words "Heart of Dixie."

Every license tag or license plate issued by the State of Alabama for use on motor vehicles, in addition to any letters and figures prescribed by the Commissioner of Revenue, shall also have imprinted thereon a conventionalized representation of a heart and the words "Heart of Dixie." The design of license tags or license plates shall be approved by the Commissioner of Revenue.

Code of Alabama: Section 32-6-54.1 (1997)

Removal of "Heart of Dixie" language.

Notwithstanding the provision of Section 32-6-54, any organization that purchases a personalized, distinctive, or vanity license plate may request the Department of Revenue to not place the language "Heart of Dixie" on his or her license plate. [1]

Dystopos 30 June 2005 19:35 (UTC)

Area calculations

The square milage area of Alabama in the sidebar on the right is incorrect, but I'm not sure how to edit the sidebar. Instead of dividing the area in kilometers by 1.6 squared it was only divided by 1.6. Square milage listed in the Geography section of the main text appears correct.

• I updated both the sidebar and the text with information from 50states.com. If someone wants to cite a more authoritative source, I'll support another correction. Dystopos 15:56, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

History of Alabama updates by User:Gilliamjf

Let me say at the outset that some people find my style a bit harsh. I don't mean it that way, but it comes out that way. I think it happens because I become impatient with things I can't understand. I have a tendency to blame the text (not the person who wrote it!) for my difficulty understanding it. So don't take this the wrong way, Gilliamjf.

You made four changes to the History section, which I would like to discuss here. My main issue with these changes is that they are too short—or insuficiently wikified—to stand on their own. Specifically,

1. Added: The memory of the Native American presence is particularly strong in Alabama.

What does memory mean in this sentence? Certainly not the recollections of any individual. Do you mean the collective recollections of all Alabamans? Or, instead of memory of their presence, do you mean influences left over from their having been here? This sentence needs to be clarified if it is to add any meaning to the paragraph.

2. Added: Trade with the Northeast via the Ohio River began during the Burial Mound Period (1000 B.C.-A.D. 700) and continued until European contact. Meso-American influence is evident in the agrarian Mississippian culture that followed.

Do you have any sources for this? A number of tribes were mentioned in the part of this paragraph that was not changed: Cherokee, Chickasaw, and Choctaw, to name three. Did these tribes trade with tribes in the area we now call the northeast? The Meso-American reference should be changed and wikified to Mesoamerican. Then, if you follow that link you'll see a list of Mesoamerican traits, such as the three-stone hearth, for example. Are these traits evident in present-day Alabama? If so, then the sentence is a good start, and should be made solid with one or two examples of this kind.

3. Added the word "officialy" in Alabama was officialy readmitted to the Union on July 14 1868.

It's a minor point, but I'm not sure the word is necessary, even if it were spelled right. Was Alabama readmitted to the union in some manner that was not official at some other time? Is there even such a thing as unofficial readmission to the union?

4. Added: The cradle of the Confederacy during the Civil War, Alabama was at stage center in the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s.

Although this one sentence can't stand on its own, a paragraph on the civil rights movement in Alabama isn't a bad idea. It should be a very brief summary, heavily wikified (see American Civil Rights Movement (1955-1968)—especially the Birmingham Campaign section, Montgomery Bus Boycott, Edgar Nixon, and Selma to Montgomery marches). There's more than enough material already in Wikipedia that can be summarized and added to this section -- go for it! By the way, although the name, "cradle of the confederacy" is claimed by Montgomery (because it was the first national capital of the Confederacy, from its founding on February 4, 1861 until May of that year), you should know that Richmond, Virginia also claims that name.—GraemeMcRae^talk 19:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

In general, I agree with these criticisms and I hope that GraemeMcRae will contribute as much to the article as to this discussion. Dystopos 19:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, Dystopos. Maybe I'll take you up on it, but I wanted to give User:Gilliamjf another shot at it first.—GraemeMcRae^talk 20:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Comment moved from article

please create a link page that allows going to this state page AND allows going to a page for country music group "Alabama" thanks big willy sr --comment made on article page by 64.12.116.202 at 01:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Please see Alabama (disambiguation). Thanks. --TantalumTelluride 01:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

U.S. Collaboration of the Week Nomination

Hi all! I nominated this page to be a U.S. Collaboration of the Week. This would encourage others to come and concentrate on the page for a short period of time, which I think would be really beneficial. If you're interested in helping, please go to WP:USCOTW to vote for Alabama. ClarkBHM 00:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Alan Guttmacher Institute

"According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute"

• Isn't this POV, by definition? The organization exists to present the facts that condemn one POV and promote another...Sure facts are used but in a manner not much different from that employed by the Republican Party.

"Alabama requires sex education classes to emphasize "that homosexuality is not an acceptable lifestyle to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state."

• Where's this quote from? Alabama law of some sort? More stuff from the one-sided organization referenced above?

"While the mandate is not typically enforced in Alabama classrooms"

• I agree that this is true (from my own knowledge of Alabama) but I wouldn't add it to wikipedia on that basis. Who says it's not enforced? Who says it's a mandate?

"According to the United States Census Bureau, in 2000, Alabama was home to 4,561 same-sex male couples and 4,167 same-sex female couples."

• Finally something that sounds like factual content on this over-represented subject (considering how short the overall article on Alabama is).

The Alan Guttmacher Institute has an excellent reputation among demographers for statistical accuracy. Rjensen 07:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Evangelicals and fundamentals in the Bible Belt

I think I agree with Brianstop that "dominate" may be too strong a word with regard to evangelicals and fundamentalists in the Bible Belt (Rjensen's "Alabama is part of the Bible belt, dominated by evangelicals and fundamentalists"). (I also think "Bible Belt" ought to capitalized, being the Bible Belt, a proper noun.) "Dominate" implies some lordship, dominion, or rule, and there's no such thing. What we really mean, I think, is that evangelicals and fundamentalists are predominant or prevalent. I'm going to reword it slightly for now, but let's talk about it before we get into an edit war. —LonelyPilgrim 16:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

• See the current issues with the Tennessee article. It will be clarified. --Bookofsecrets 15:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• I have updated the lead paragraph to read "Southeastern" and I removed the NPOV tag. --Bookofsecrets 20:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: poorly informed Bookofsecrets vandalizing aticle

Bookofsecrets claims that "southern": is a racist NPOV term that cannot be used. He has a AAA road map he uses as evidence. He seems completely uninformed about any aspect of Southern history but will be making radical changes here. Rjensen 23:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Rjensen is seriously misinformed. I've been a historian for years. I've forgotten more about history than Rjenson will ever know. I'm proud to be a historian. I'm not being unreasonable and I am not attacking Rjensen. I'm stating simple facts as I see them. No one said that I base my facts on a AAA map. Rklawton just happen to voice that on the AAA map it calls Alabama, Tennessee, etc Southeastern United States. This is true and has been true for decades now. --Bookofsecrets 23:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Bookofsecrets correctly says he's forgotten all about Southern history. He has not cited any sources for his outlandish theories because no serious person believes for a minute that Alabama is not southern. Not one. Rjensen 00:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

While I agree with you, Rjensen, I don't think it's appropriate to cry vandalism here. What we have here is difference of opinion. That's bound to happen on Wikipedia, it's not vandalism, and I trust we can work it out amicabaly. I've made a comment on this in Talk:Tennessee here, as that seems to be where the primary discussion regarding this issue is taking place. To sum it up, I don't think there's anything inappropriate about calling Alabama a "Southern" state, as the South is a widely recognized geographic entity as well as a social one. I unfortunately don't have time to say any more at present, as I'm right in the middle of studying for finals. —LonelyPilgrim 01:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

• I don't see a difference in point-of-view between "southern" and "southeastern" in discussing Alabama's region. I encourage Bookofsecrets to explain any concerns he or she has with the neutrality of the article here on the Talk Page instead of engaging in an edit war. There are enough rational editors with this page on their watchlist that we can sort out a dispute peacefully. I encourage those offended by Bookofsecret's edits likewise to use the Talk Page to reach editorial consensus and to avoid name-calling. --Dystopos 04:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree that name-calling is rather pointless, but I do agree that the Southeast should be acknowlged to have a history before the Neoeuropean/African culture traditionally referred to as "Southern". Also, as I am from Alabama, I appreciate the neutral language use I have found on wiki. for those of us who identify ourselves as both southern and intelligent. I would also appreciate it if someone could do something about the "inbread[sic]" comment in all caps in the history section of the article. Thanks, Audrey.

The "inbread" vandalism has been deleted. - Centrx 01:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • I remain unconvinced that the phrase "Southern state" is a primarily cultural description and "Southeastern" geographic. There is certainly no need for Wikipedia to give Alabama a cultural characterization. In my experience, the normal geographic appellation for the region is "the Southern United States" (unless you're specifically trying to exclude Texas for some reason.) and I really don't see how stating that simple geographic fact gives short shrift to the Moundbuilders, Muskogeans and Moravian miners who predate Skynyrd. I could understand that the article itself does that and would welcome active contributions from those whose grasp is greater than mine to expand the article. --Dystopos 04:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Dominoes

I believe in Alabama it's against the law to play dominoes on Sunday. I wonder if this is worth a mention (as trivia perhaps). Eiler7 15:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not (even if it were true, which is not verified). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- Centrx 01:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Registered political party members

I removed the phrase comparing the number of registered Democrats and Republicans, since Alabama law does not require or provide for individuals to declare a political party affiliation when registering to vote.

E. S. Dargan

Hello,

I'm tidying up a speech by E. S. Dargan on wikisource and thought as he doesn't have an article page this might be the best place to get some info on him. He spoke, and presumably therefore was a delegate at, the Secession Convention of Alabama on January 11, 1861. I'm looking for his full name, whether he went by E. S. & his dates of birth & death inorder to make an author page for him. His speech is at S:E.S. Dargan on Secession. Thanks for any help you can give. AllanHainey 12:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Flag

I thought the flag of Alabama was square. I always remembered it distinctly for this reason. What does everyone else think?

The authorizing act doesn't specify whether the flag should be rectangular or square, so apparently it can be either [2]. Most I've seen are rectangular, but I do think I have seen some square ones. —LonelyPilgrim 00:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Religion statistics

Over the past week some anonymous IPs have been monkeying with the religion statistics without any references. There is no way that 8% of the population (over 350,000) are Scientologists, or honestly even 1%. I am trying to obtain a proper reference for this data, but for the time being I'm reverting to the numbers there prior to August 2 (which match the numbers in Demographics of Alabama). We really need to be citing sources for this stuff. Does anyone know where the religion data came from originally? —LonelyPilgrim 15:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Motto

When did the state motto change??????? AlaGuy 21:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It didn't according to google. And an online Latin-English translation of the inserted text gives this "backwardness, reluctance, evasion." So I reverted the edit. Dina 22:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Presidential Election Table

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I'm fairly sure there is a mistake in the Presidential Election table on this page. According to this table, in the 1976 election the Republican candidate Gerald Ford won Alabama and with a considerable majority. However I'm pretty sure Democrat Jimmy Carter won Alabama in 1976 and the 76' election Wikipedia page seems to confirm this. This is a kind of serious mistake if I'm right. Would anyone care to check for certain and correct this? 195.93.21.103 16:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems you are correct. Jimmy Carter won Alabama in 1976 with 55.7% of votes compared to Ford's 42.6% according to this site, as well as several others. I've made the change and it now reads correctly. Good spot! ​​​​AuburnPilot​​​​^Talk 17:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

OK cool. I just changed the background colour in the 1976 box to blue as well, as this appears to be the correct formating as the only other election in which the Democrats won Alabama, 1960, also has the year box coloured blue to indicate that. Thanks for sorting it out, as an unregistered user I just wanted to ensure my suspicions about the mistake were 100% correct and check it with registered users on the talk page before making such a change to the article. Cheers. 195.93.21.103 18:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

References Needed

This article has a serious issue with unsourced information. I tagged the page as unsourced and have begun to add citations, starting at the top and working my way through the article. Any help would be great. ​​​​AuburnPilot​​​​^Talk 02:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Fbegnaud 22:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)== Metropolitan Areas == Hey guys, I'm new to this, so I won't try to edit it myself, but if someone could check it out and make any necessary changes, I would appreciate it. I would not consider Cullman in the Birmingham MSA, and have never even heard of it mentioned as such. It is about 50 miles north of Birmingham. Anyone know where the Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman reference is from? I checked the Bureau of Labor Statistics OMB 06-01 bulletin and it shows the Birmingham MSA consisting of Bibb, Blount, Chilton, Jefferson, St. Clair, Shelby and Walker Counties only. Thanks, --Johann65 14:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• The census uses several designations, one of which is the Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman Combined Statistical Area. --Dystopos 17:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

"The lowest point east of the Mississippi River lies in Dekalb County along a creek cutting tower ridges, and creating Buck's Pocket State Park." I'm pretty sure this isn't accurate. Perhaps it is the deepest or steepest canyon east of the Mississippi, but not the lowest point. Whatever it is, it needs a reference. Sowelilitokiemu 00:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It actually is accurate, but worse, is lifted straight from this website: [3]. I'll reference and reword it. -- AuburnPilot^talk 01:36, 1 November 2006 _(UTC)

I really should have read the entire thing first; that site is simply a copy of Wikipedia. It even says Wikipedia is the source....I will find an actual reference. -- AuburnPilot^talk 01:38, 1 November 2006 _(UTC)

It seems you are correct, as the lowest point in Dekalb County is sea level, not below. There are many other states east of the Mississippi with sea level low points, but I can't find any with below sea level areas. I'll tag it as needing a reference and if nobody can find one, we can remove it in a few days. Always best to give it a shot. -- AuburnPilot^talk 01:57, 1 November 2006 _(UTC)

Colleges

I do not know if this is what you want but i really thing that Remington college should be removed from the list of colleges. They are not a fully accredited and do not deserve to be posted next to REAL colleges. I have personal experience with this school and there degree is worthless. It is not recconized by any state in the South East. I would not want people to associate this school with the other reputable ones on the site. Just think about it FB

• Done. --Dystopos 17:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Cities in Alabama

Can someone please explain to me why the list of major cities was deleted. It makes no sense for it not to be included. AlaGuy 05:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed the list because, in my opinion, it was too detailed for a general article about the state. Those interested in Alabama's cities can easily follow the links in the table of major metropolitan areas. The detailed table of major cities might be very useful at the top of List of cities in Alabama. A paragraph talking about the five or six largest cities could be appropriate, but I don't think a long tabular list is helpful. --Dystopos 14:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've added the table to List of cities in Alabama and added a direct link at Alabama#Urban areas. --Dystopos 14:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Alabamian / Alabamese

Why is it termed 'Alabamian'? Shouldn't it be Alabamese? 211.30.71.59 08:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I had the same question, except that I assumed it was "Alabaman." I was corrected by a native of the state. It is "Alabamian." (And now I am one.) -- Rob C (Alarob) 21:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Being born and raised in Alabama, I assure you it's "Alabamian." "Alabamese" sounds like a made-up name for a dialect. --Anivron 22:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Alabaman? --86.29.240.65 04:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Is there a reason there isn't a single picture on this article? drumguy8800 C T 05:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't ask me, I had added a few pictures, but, they got taken off because of down sizing? Yea, I didn't understand it, I just didn't feel like getting into a conflict. It was really confusing, since what I put up there was deleted, yet, other states articles have things just like it..........AlaGuy 05:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This article really doesn't need three maps of Alabama; four including the one in the infobox. Some actual images in place of these would be a great improvement. If somebody has a specific image in mind, drop me a message on my talk page and I'll see if I can take one.-- AuburnPilot^talk 07:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I was referring to actual pictures that I had put on there. If you recall, I agreed with taking the maps off cause they were weren't necessary. But, someone took down pictures of places that I had placed on this page. AlaGuy 15:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, I agree with you completely. I have no idea why somebody deleted your images, but something needs to replace them. -- AuburnPilot^talk 15:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm adding some pictures. I put up a picture of the Port of Decatur in the "Water Ports" section, if anyone has a picture of the Port of Mobile, please, take the one I put up down and replace it with the one of POM. AlaGuy 15:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

New Sports section added to updated Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format

The Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format has been updated to include a new Sports section, that covers collegiate sports, amateur sports, and non-team sports (such as hunting and fishing). Please feel free to add this new heading, and supply information about sports in Alabama. Please see South_carolina#Sports_in_South_Carolina as an example. NorCalHistory 13:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

External Link

I would like people's input on the idea of putting an external link to this page http://state.information.googlepages.com/alabama? Please give some reasons why to put the link or why not to put the link. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.179.119.180 (talk) 20:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

I don't know the full details of the link, but I've seen it removed all over wikipedia; usually the removal is followed by a spam warning on the talk page of the person who added the link. I'll try to find out why (as I'm not clicking on that link) and leave a comment here. AuburnPilot^talk 21:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

New proposed WikiProject

There is now a proposed WikiProject to deal with the state of Alabama at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Alabama. Any parties interested in taking part in such a project should indicate as much there, so that we can know if there is sufficient interest to create it. Thank you. Badbilltucker 16:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

History

Why is there a tremendous lack of recent history? I doubt Alabama became uninteresting. Willie Stark 20:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Good Article review (fail; barely)

After reviewing this article I have decided to fail it for now. I think that it is actually quite a good article, but before conferring GA status formally I think the following issues should be addressed:

• Alabama#Climate: This subsection does not cite sources for the information offered. This section is unlikely to be disputed, but a GA should allow readers to follow the data to the person notably asserting it.
• Alabama#Economy: This section does cite sources, but some claims (like those about tax rates) could stand to have some source(s) provided with them.
• Alabama#Religion: This subsection, which could become contentious, does not cite any sources for the figures offered. Having lived in Alabama the numbers sound right to me, but we need to follow WP:ATT on this.
• Alabama#Local_and_county_government: This subsection discusses the controversial (in Alabama, at least) topic of home rule. We need to cite sources here because this is likely to be a source of contention in the future.
• Alabama#State_politics: This subsection is okay, but this sentence seems both poorly worded and unsourced: "This ended up hurting Alabama's image and making it out to be a hotbed for racism."

In conclusion, I think that, aside from the issues noted above, this is a fantastic article of good quality. I would strongly encourage involved editors to re-submit once the problems above are resolved. DickClarkMises 16:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Prep for GA Re-Review

Ok, the verdict is above. I'm working on the climate section at the moment and intend to work my way through them all. Any help would be great! JodyB _talk 03:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Baptists

Why are Baptists considered protestants in the religion section? Is it just to separate them from Catholics, because Baptists are not protestants. Deigo 19:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)Deigo