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Streak column

Any thoughts on adding a streak column to this template? It would probably be informative during the season. --Bobblehead 03:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, as long as it is up to date. Yeom0609 22:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As up to date as the rest of the standings.;) --Bobblehead 23:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I vote for having a streak column. X96lee15 04:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, because after the season, we're gonna need to know what there winning streak is. In 2010, we're going to need to know how many games in a row a team ended the season with in 2007. Why do we need this? It won't serve any purpose after the season ends, will it? No. --Ksy92003 05:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So it gets removed at the end of the season, no big deal to include it now, IMO. It provides additional, useful information. X96lee15 15:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't get what the point is to put something if we know that it's going to be deleted eventually, anyway. --Ksy92003 22:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So what's the point of having this template then? We know the records are going to be changing tomorrow, no need to include it in the articles today then... Or the "As of <date>" .. That one is definitely going to be deleted at the end of the season as well. The answer to all of these questions is because it is informative during the season. Just because something has a date of expiration does not mean it isn't useful now. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 23:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who said we are gonna remove the templates? We're gonna keep the templates here well after the season ends. So does it make sense to put something that's gonna have absolutely no importance after the season? I don't think so. --Ksy92003 23:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never said the templates were going to be deleted at the end of the season. I was pointing out that by your logic, there is no point in maintaining the templates during the season because the records are going to be changing tomorrow. :) But, if you prefer an apples and apples comparison, what's the point of the "As of <date>" then? That is going to be deleted at the end of the season as well. The answer to that question and others, is that they are informative during the season. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 23:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I was against the "As of..." note in the first place. I believe it was The Evil Spartan who initiated it, and of course there's nothing that I could've done about it. Also for the record, it seems that everybody working on the project hates me. I don't think anybody realizes that I'm the one who started the project in the first place.

As for the standings, yes they're going to be changing tomorrow, but they won't be removed at the end of the season. After the season ends, the team's record will still be relevant. True, the streak and standings may both be relevant during the season, but the difference is that the standings will be relevant after the season ends, whereas the streak will not. The standings are relevant data that should be updated every day and will be useful after the season ends. The streak is irrelevant data that would be updated every day but won't be useful after the season ends. Do you see my argument now? --Ksy92003 23:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent)Not entirely sure if everyone in the project hates you since I'm not a member of the project, but good on ya for starting the project.. But perhaps if you didn't refer to their edits as stupid and useless you might receive a better reaction? But back to the content discussion. I understand where you are coming from, I just don't think time sensitive information should be excluded solely for the reason that it is time sensitive. I'm fairly active in editing political articles and it is not uncommon for entire articles to be created and maintained while the election is ongoing, but then are deleted when the election is over. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 00:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ESPN.com removes the streak column from the standings once the season is over. See: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlbhist/alltime/season. I can understand not including such standings "staples" as "Last 10" (cannot be computed at a single glance without looking at the game log), or "home" record and "road" record (more prone to errors when updating), but I really think "Streak" adds useful information to the templates. X96lee15 03:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::::I never said the templates were going to be deleted at the end of the season. I was pointing out that by your logic, there is no point in maintaining the templates during the season because the records are going to be changing tomorrow. :) But, if you prefer an apples and apples comparison, what's the point of the "As of <date>" then? That is going to be deleted at the end of the season as well. The answer to that question and others, is that they are informative during the season. --[[User:Bobblehead|Bobblehead]] <sup>[[User talk:Bobblehead|(rants)]]</sup> 23:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
-::::::::For the record, I was against the "As of..." note in the first place.  I believe it was [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] who initiated it, and of course there's nothing that I could've done about it.
+::::::::For the record, I was against the "As of..." note in the first place.  I believe it was [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] who initiated it, and of course there's nothing that I could've done about it.  Also for the record, it seems that everybody working on the project hates me.  I don't think anybody realizes that I'm the one who started the project in the first place.
 ::::::::As for the standings, yes they're going to be changing tomorrow, but they won't be removed at the end of the season.  After the season ends, the team's record will still be relevant.  True, the streak and standings may both be relevant during the season, but the difference is that the standings will be relevant after the season ends, whereas the streak will not.  The standings are relevant data that should be updated every day and will be useful after the season ends.  The streak is irrelevant data that would be updated every day but won't be useful after the season ends.  Do you see my argument now?  --'''[[User:Ksy92003|Ksy92003]]''' 23:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)