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== Yay! (ITN) ==

Yay, there is finally some Pacific news in ITN. Well done. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:130.195.86.38|130.195.86.38]] ([[User talk:130.195.86.38|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/130.195.86.38|contribs]]) 03:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>
: To get ''more'' Pacific news in ITN, pls get related articles updated and suggest important news at [[WP:ITN/C]]. --[[User:74.14.20.219|74.14.20.219]] 15:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Also, please contribute to the news column at [[Portal:Oceania]].-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</font> 20:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Date and time ==

I suggest use '''<nowiki>{{UTC}}</nowiki>''' in the top of the page, that produces:

{{UTC}}

or better <nowiki>[[{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY2}}]]&#160;T&#160;{{CURRENTTIME}}<small>&#160;[[w:UTC|UTC]]</small></nowiki>, that produces:

[[{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY2}}]]&#160;T&#160;{{CURRENTTIME}}<small>&#160;[[w:UTC|UTC]]</small>
<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User: Nopetro| Nopetro]] ([[User talk: Nopetro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ Nopetro|contribs]]) 08:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

Possibly because most of the world would find the abbreviated version confusing as 2007-05-17 means nothing to a European, whereas 17/5/7 is 'normal' to us. The current version is clear across all boundaries. --[[User:Hydeblake|Hydeblake]] 12:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:I've never seen the date as that (17/5/7) anywhere in Europe, where do you live? The European common date format is DD/MM/YYYY or DD/MM/YY (17/05/2007 or 17/05/07). -- [[User:Chris as I am Chris|Chris as I am Chris]] 12:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Britain! Where it is either 17/5/7 or 17/05/07 My point is that either these formats, or the US format, are open to confusion, whereas the current standard used by Wiki of writing it out in full is NOT open to confusion--[[User:Hydeblake|Hydeblake]] 16:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:Dunno personally I have no problem with YY/MM/DD or DD/MM/YY (or YYYY for either). What I don't understand is funny systems like YY/DD/MM or MM/DD/YY (or four digit year for either). [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 16:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:17/5/7 isn't a common date format in Britain or in fact anywhere in the world, see [[Calendar date]], as it could be mixed up with the American date format as the year 2017. -- [[User:Chris as I am Chris|Chris as I am Chris]] 17:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Chris, it '''IS''' common, it just isn't a recognized official standard. If you ask people to write down a date they will not put 05, they will put 5. Anyway, regardless of that, what I said still stands: writing May 1 2007 is much better than any of: 01/05/07, 2007/01/05, 2007/05/01 or any other possible permutation! --hydeblake 19:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'd agree the best way is to spell out the month name, removes any ambiguity. Example: 2/3/87 (my birthdate and the source of my username) means February 3rd, 1987 to me. It could, though, easily be mistaken for March 2nd, 1987. February 3rd, though, means the same date to anyone.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] <sup>([[User talk:Fyre2387|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fyre2387|contribs]])</sup> 20:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::I'm British and also quite familiar with European and US customs concerning dates (though I'm no expert) and I have never in my life seen anyone put just the last digit (i.e. "7") for a year - "'07", "07" and "2007" are much more common - as far as I've seen. ...but anymahoozles, I agree that including the actual month and the date of the month avoids any such conclusion. I'm going to ask some people tomorrow (or today actually - I'm staying up late) to see if they do - could be interesting. [[User:Benedictwest|Benedictwest]] 23:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I completely concur with the above point, I am a Brit, and I have never seen a single digit year used either. [[User:213.48.15.234|213.48.15.234]] 09:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


:YYYY-MM-DD is the [[ISO 8601]] date standard, which is expected to be understood by most anyone, or at least figure-out-able. But since this is the English Wikipedia, using the English month names makes the most sense. <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">'''[[User:Howcheng|<span style="color:#33C;">howcheng</span>]]''' <small>{[[User talk:Howcheng|chat]]}</small></span> 03:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with "Friday May 18, 2007" anyway? --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 12:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:I prefer "Friday 18 May 2007"! Which is why Wikipedia encourages use of its [[meta:Help:Date_formatting_feature|date formatting features]]. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 13:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think it depends on your "My Preferences", for me, I see the <Month> <Day> convention. I guess it won't work when the date is not generated by magic words. --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 14:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Query - is the MM/DD version used outside the US and it's pseudo-colonies?

Why doesnt the top of the page just coordinate to your own time preferences? [[User:Ferdiaob|Ferdia O'Brien]] <small><span style="-moz-border-radius: 5px; border: solid 2px #ff0000; background-color: #96d4ff; color=#1200ff">The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman</span> ([[User talk:Ferdiaob|Talk]])</small> 16:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

: Most newbies don't know how to set their preferences. Or when not to use "[[w:". --[[User:74.14.20.219|74.14.20.219]] 16:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

well im a total newbie, so help me!
thorbabe

:type <nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki> on [[user talk:thorbabe]] and click on 'save page'. someone will come to your assistance. --[[User:76.64.76.249|76.64.76.249]] 20:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== More bias ==

Uncle Tom's Cabin? [[Shinozaki Mamoru]]? A picture of Lincoln? Clearly more evidence of Wikipedia's anti-slavery agenda... [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 03:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hehe. If there was a barnstar for "Congratulations, you made me laugh my head off" you would receive it at this point. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:DoomsDay349|Dooms]]</font><font color="lightblue">[[User talk:DoomsDay349|Day349]]</font>''''' 03:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::Try [[:Image:Comedy gold.png]]. [[user:violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 10:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:(EC) I just had to spend the last five minutes cleaning chocolate milk off my monitor, keyboard, and phone after an unfortunately-timed reading of the above. Damn, I don't think I've laughed that hard in the last month.... -- [[User:MarcoTolo|MarcoTolo]] 03:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::We're all Jimbo's slaves anyway... --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 06:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh course, that is the funnest thing I have read this day! I need to read the talk page more ofter... - [[User:Thekittybomb|<font color="Green">Thekittybomb</font>]] 23:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stale Photographs on "In the news section" ==

For last three days the photograph of Paul Wolfowitz is present on Main page in "In the News" Section. We have around 5 or 6 news items. Can't we change the photographs daily? [[User:59.178.79.255|59.178.79.255]] 08:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:Lol only on Wikipedia is something three days old "stale"! [[User:Batmanand|Batmanand]] | [[User talk:Batmanand|Talk]] 09:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

::That's not Paul Wolfowitz... [[User:Mgiganteus1|Mgiganteus1]] 11:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The last few days have been slow news days. Clearly we need to jazz it up. I suggest we start with this one from the Simpsons: ''Paris is no more! The legendary city of lights has been extinguished forever as a massive...'' and fill in the blanks from there. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 15:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I changed the image, so now it actually ''is'' Paul Wolfowitz. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

: Suggestions for ITN, including pictures, can be made at [[WP:ITN/C]]. If anyone sees a few suggestions left unattended at WP:ITN/C, please go to [[WP:AN]]. You may find an admin there to help. This way, hopefully, ITN won't go stale. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 16:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::[[:Image:KT Impact2.jpg|This pic]] might make a good start. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 16:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Raul, if that really happens, very few Wikipedians may still have internet access and sign in to change the picture on ITN. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 16:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I too am totaly sick of looking at Wolfowitz. Please change it or let me know how & I will do it myself.<em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 18:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:Um... that picture has been there for a mere three hours. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<font color="black">tariq</font><font color="gray">abjotu</font>]]''' 18:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::I've been editing WP all week, a lot. I know that there has been a picture of WOlfowitz there for more than three hours. Maybe they changed the picture, but its still the same guy. Can't we get a picture of something else??<em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font></em>
:::Sorry, but you're wrong. The current image was added here [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=132161716], previously it was a picture of [[François Fillon]]. They do look somewhat similar, guessing that's the mix up.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] <sup>([[User talk:Fyre2387|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fyre2387|contribs]])</sup> 20:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Maybe I'm just sick of looking at tired old white dudes...LOL.<em>&mdash;<font color="Indigo">[[User:Gaff|Gaff]]</font> <sup><small><b><font color="MediumSlateBlue">[[User_talk:Gaff|ταλκ]]</font></b></small></sup></em> 21:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== Missing Text ==

All of the text that should be at the top of [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history this page] are gone.--'''''[[User:Ed|<font color="blue" face="comic sans ms">Ed</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Ed|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás?</font>]]</sup> 18:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:That is because we do not want <big>'''Main Page'''</big> appearing at the top of the main page. As a side effect, on the history and move pages main page is omitted. Not too much of an issue, though. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 20:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::You can manually do it &action=logs or something like that. (Take the end of any other log page) --[[User:R|'''R''']] <sup>[[User_talk:R|Parlate]]</sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/R|Contribs]]<sub>[[Special:Emailuser/R|@]]</sub> (Let's go Yankees!)</small> 00:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

== Strategy Wiki Link ==

Someone should put in a link to Strategy Wiki on the main page under "sister projects". I mean, it ''is'' part of Wikipedia, right? Sincerely, [[User:Kevin 20 5 23 26|Kevin 20 5 23 26]] 21:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:No it isn't a part of Wikimedia as you can see here: [[Wikimedia Foundation#Wikimedia coordination and projects]]. As far as I can tell it's not even part of [[Wikia]]. [[User:Gdo01|Gdo01]] 21:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::No it's not, it's owned by [[User:echelon]] and a few others.--[[User:Rock2e]] <sup> [[User talk:Rock2e|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rock2e|Contribs]] </sup> 05:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

== Cutty Sark ==

Is this important enough to be news? [[Cutty_sark#Fire]] - [[User:Jeff24|Jeff24]] 06:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's certainly big UK news but I'm not sure it's of worldwide interest. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 06:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think it is. It's a historic ship. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 08:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It really should be ITN, Greenwich Maritime is a world Heritage site. --[[User:LiamE|LiamE]] 08:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::: Try [[WP:ITN/C]].
:::: And it should be [[Cutty Sark#Fire]], instead of [[Cutty_sark#Fire]]. The fire is not on the disambiguation page. --[[User:74.13.130.205|74.13.130.205]] 13:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

=="Mayan Languages" grammatical pedantry==

Shouldn't it be "The Mayan Languages" instead of "Mayan Languages"? To me, that makes more aesthetic sense.
[[User:Brrk.3001|Brrk.3001]] 08:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
: Try [[WP:ERRORS]] above. --[[User:74.13.130.205|74.13.130.205]] 14:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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