Talk:Elite

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Note: I removed the unnecessary redirect from this talk page to Talk:Elite (disambiguation). The disambig talk page content is copied here in full and remains on the disambig page as well. This is an article of high importance to sociology. I believe the talk page and the Wikiproject Sociology evaluation of the article needs to be directly associated with the article. --Reswik 01:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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Sources! Where are the sources of the information for this article, other than the author's personal opinions? Also, what are the qualifications of the authors whom the author of this article cites? This article needs work. Kemet 26 Dec 2005.

Computer game

The computer game should be an exception, the Elite (sociology) article should be moved here, and this article moved to Elite (computer game). I will do it if noone raise serious resons as to why I shouldn't soon enough. Nixdorf 22:21 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Now I've done it. All related links are changed too. Nixdorf

The link I found in Elite appeared to point to something totally irrelevant; I took the liberty of removing it and leaving a stub. mattabat 15:54 5 Feb 2006 AEDST

How about relating this article with l33t? very common amoung gamers

Elites in market societies

" In market societies, elites often have superior access to all of these resources, because they are so easily exchanged." This hasn't been thought through: in non-market economies elites still have access, but because of their kinship status. Elites have access because of lotsa different things. A paragraph on the basis for elites in different societies might be a useful addition. Wetman 20:00, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Name of article

Someone has moved this from the normal English Elite to the French Élite which is a pretentious affectation in the English-language Wikipedia. Élite indeed. Wetman 13:43, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Appropriate indeed. Chameleon 18:16, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm moving it back to "elite" which is the much more common, and the standard English, term. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 19:01, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Lowellian. English-language keyboards don't have an É keying, making access difficult. "Elite" in Wikipedia is a description, not a reproach: the word "elite" is worn so threadbare by approximate usage that it now sounds like the resentful bleat of mediocrity... Wetman 00:22, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think we should move it back to Élite so we have fewer disambiguations.Cameron Nedland 03:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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(From Wetman's Talk page) Wetman:Can you explain your reason for deleting Elite Model Management from the Elite (disambiguation) page? I didn't put it there, but I figured it belonged. It is usually just referred to as "Elite". Thanks. SDC 01:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Normal: for the same reason Elite Meat Market isn't there either. Elite (disambiguation) disambiguates "Elite". It doesn't even disambiguate Elitism: perhaps it should. It's not a list of all Wikipedia pages that include the word "elite", after all, though perhaps the typeface point size Elite should be mentioned, don't you think? . "L33t" shouldn't really be there either, perhaps. --Wetman 02:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Military elite

Shouldn't it be somehow included?

In my opinion, it certainly should. Unless I am misinformed the word was originally military in nature and later borrowed for other purposes. Furthermore it is used in a somewhat misleading way when used out of military context. A military elite is a group of picked men (it is almost always men) for their competence. A societal elite is generally not picked or chosen by anyone but themselves.

Later: Glad to see someone else contributing well to the military elite part of this article. I am somewhat skeptical of the list of elite units though. The Swiss guard was largely politically motivated. The pope needed a mercenary force loyal only to him. Likewise, SA was indeed a highly political force, but it can hardly be considered an elite force in any military sense. In my opinion, the same is true for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard. I suggest these are either listed as "politically motivated military forces non-elite" or simply removed.

Sensemaker

They may not be elite in the military sense of the word, but this article is about elites in general, such forces are part of the political elite. I'll add a couple of lines saying as such.KTo288 09:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)KTo288 09:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Help with picture

There's a great picture of the Prince of Wales here as Colonel-in-chief of the Parachute regiment. It would be a great illustration of a societal elite assocciating itself with an military elite. However I can't seem to size the picture to fit in the page without putting the whole page out of kilter,can anyone help.Thanks.KTo288 08:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Straw Hat?

Allow me to be seinfield here, and say "What's the deal with the straw hat?"

No mention of military elite?

I was a member of a elite F-14 squadron, (VF-211,'79 to '83), and we used to kick the Airforce's backside so hard and so often that I had lost all respect for them until the Gulf War. 80% of our pilots were Topgun grads, which was unusual at the time. We would "kill" state-side Airforce birds during wargames on average at a ratio of 7 to 1 to as bad as 12 to 1. Even the Airforce elite outfits flying out of Japan only got as good as 4 to 1. (A Tomcat flown by a skilled and agressive pilot is a truely formidable opponent.)

     Cool story 58.168.229.121 07:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)